UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

the new evidence is NOT in relation to language peter!@ have you read your article that YOU posted.

It refers to GENETIC similarity between the peoples of eng, ire etc NOT where the english CAME from.

which is west germanic, from the Angle-Saxons who came from West germany (as we'd call it today) and who migrated and conquered the british isles around the 5ad.

The genetics suggest they intergrated (as all conquering forces did in those times) into the native population. THIS adds to the theory in the article of GENETICS but no where does it say the LANGUAGE was NOT western germanic.

so stop throwing out 'you dont undertansd , you dont get it and actually debate your points!'
we've all been giving you the this. We AGREE with you about the genetic similarity, that was never in doubt to me - but YOUR claim, NOT the herald, that the english language is NOT a western Germanic language - is unfounded. As you have YET to engage the debate and stand to deliver where the ENGLISH language developed. as we have done

Work / Need help with teaching English in Poland [5]

i know that they prefere native english speakers in many places.
My girlfriend has little confidence in her english and she should! she is fluent!
she teaches grinds for polish and english in her home towm and yet she tells me that i would have an easier time getting work than her!

which i find hard to believe as i have bad polish :) Though, i wouldnt mind being the 'dummy' in the corner (co-teach :) ) But id rather become more fluent in Polish before i considered it a career.

Life / CAN NON-POLISH UNDERSTAND POLAND? [17]


but thats apart of my point, that she gets the SAME news so i know no more OR less then she does (which is her arguement - that i cannot understand the corruption and scandel, as if Ireland had none :))

We will hug, we always do :)

yea grunn, i agree with you - but then, i think you knew i woudl :)

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


you;ve sourced a newspaper article. your saying that language IS soley dependant on Genetics and IS nothing to do with SOCIO-POLITICAL influnce

It would seem that its beyond your comprehension


well that killed the topic :)

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

this couldnt be any clearer

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


we;re saying the same thing

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


tak, they dont move from there birthplace - the genetics wont vary HOWEVER invaders come and say! we now rule you! (not quite so simpley)

and they impose there laws, customs and....LANGUAGE

as the anglo saxons (who came from modern day WEST GERMAY) did to the british isles

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


wiem, wiem....wiem....

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


wiem, i was agreeing with you, *(exactly)* and directing the rest to peter

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


im talking about today - your being flipant now.

And you needant go as far as china, look at switzerland (italian, German, French languages yet, similar genes - its all about socio-political forces is language)


exactly, migration happened, that shows in our genes. BUT language is another kettle of fish and not tied into it. Genes don't determine this.

and the source of ENGLISH as a language is NOT determined by genetics but by HISTORY our genes did not make up the languages BUT human interaction between dominant and submissive. ANd the ANGLE-SAXONS come from where? and they speak what? could it be WESTERN GERMANIC - i think it is, there is back up a plenty. is it to do with genetics. no.

in fact, GREAT example, one girl was here the other day poland_2006 i believe, she Was born in poland and now lives in the USA. she speaks english because of here SOCIO-POLITICAL surroundings - being USA and that being an english speaking area

your defintion dictates she can only speak polish as a first language (as you dont rule out the obvious fact anyone can learn english) BUT she speaks English as a first language NOTHING to do with genetics.

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

ive read it Peter.

it deals with GENETICS which is DIFFERENT to language.

Language is imposed by the victor, the ruler. the language does not follow genetics.

otherwise i shouldnt be speaking english BUT the anglo saxons that came from modern day germany, who founded the english language as we know it, conquered us and there language was imposed.

Our genetic trial remains unchanged and intergrated with rulers (as one does over time)

and we now speak a western germanic language WHILE genetcally stays as the article says.
i never said genetically the article was wrong, i agreed with it and i dont like doing this but i DID higher level biology with genetics AS my core subject. and i DO know that language is NOT tied into genetics. AS you can take a polish baby and give him to english parents (living in POland lets say) and the child will learn english. He is still GENETICALLY polish. that doesnt change and i never said that does

But you have refused to acknowlegde HISTORIES influence on LANGUAGE (not Genetics)
THe ruler Dictates language (the Romans imposed Latin)

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


look at all the PAN european wars, the roman migrations, the Barbarian invasion, the black death!

Your comment doesnt hold weight with the facts of history

Your dead right Heugal!

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


if they were raised by chinese people - yes! your language is NOT genetic YOur are nOT born with English ore pOlish in your blood (why learn it in school if that is the case)

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

WRONG

Im not saying that AT all!

Im saying that the ENGLISH LANGUAGE arrived in the isles around the 5th C AD.
IT IS PROVEN BY MINDS GREATER THAN YOU OR I

THAT IT IS A WESTERN GERMANIC LANGUAGE

Origins of language are not confined to genetics. if that were so, why do i speak english when i come from Gallic family? SOCIO-POLTICIAL FACTORS

THE ANGLE-SAXONS BROUGHT it from SAXONY/JUTELAND (NOW GERMANY) and they RULED the isles and IMPOSED there language!

Thereby NOT rubbishing what ive said - in fact all ive done is point out sources!

Genetics is ONE factor - which I ALREADY AGREED WITH BUT langauge is a total OTHER point.

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


when talking about JUST the ENGLISH language, the ENGLISH language is a western Germanic language only

Gaelic (the IRish & scottish language, you are right, is different again)

but dealing ONLY with the ENglish language - i am not making facts up to suit myself.

i wouldn't :) im a lousy liar :)


its only the FIRST source - dont make me go librarian on your a$$!

and GENETICS HAS NOTHING to do with language!!!

well, with the ORIGINS of it

tak it has developmental basis in the HUMAN mind but that his NOT in the realm of HISTORY!

ebbs.english.vt.edu/hel/hel.html

just ANOTHER source of MANY stating ENGLISH as a germanic LANGUAGE (nOTHING TO DO WITH GENETICS)

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


i...don't know :)

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


slainte! :) ill drink one in your memory!

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


you refuse to read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

Peter, im not arguing with you, im showing you the proof to the statement about the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. The GENETICS of the British and IRISH is a different issue. and one article in the Herald does not change history of the English language


over qualified!

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


nie nie, just, eager :) and you may have variant CJD - jury is still out

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

wrong kind of friesian szar :)

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

tak, moze ale nie brit V ire anymore.

there are some poles who fight the brits and and brits that fight the poles here but not the irish :)


Genetics and Language are two different topics.

I read the article. read this

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

English is an Anglo-Frisian language brought to southeastern Great Britain in the 5th century AD by Germanic settlers from various parts of northwest Germany (Saxons, Angles) as well as Jutland (Jutes).

English, a West Germanic language

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


can you explain then why English is descended from german then peter?

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

eng & ire dont fight anymore hello???

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]


ouch - that hurt szarlotka

UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

Yes BUT you and your neighbour could be TWINS but if you disagree about the colour of the garden fence - that is cause enough to be enemies!

The Irish, Scottish and English may have similar genes (no surprise to me btw) but it is the SOCIO-PSYCOLOGICAL background MAKES them VERY different to each other.

Sure Polish, German, Bulgarians and Croats are genetically 'similar' by the same token, but you try telling them that! :)

good post!

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Ah this forum is fun again :) even the moderation is funny :)

its like a club house we all go to after school :)

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an EU passport is not suffecnet proof you are from the EU???

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the subject being about how much they get paid. It is set as a standard salary for them all. Native english speakers CAn get good deals if they now where to go but generally it is not much better is what i am hearing.

As to it being love - thats a sweeping statement but i guess there has to be some thinking like that. I know if it was me, it would be to get away from Ireland and just BE somewhere else. N ulterior motive.

Pay is relative. If they paid me enough that i could enjoy a living - im happy. I couldnt work there to pension age (as it is) but that could and will change over time (like SO many other countries - lets be honest & realistic, Poland is slowly going UP not DOWN.

THe current gov't is FAR from perfect but look at the few GOOD things. setting up investigations into corruption! look what that revealed!! shutting down the spy agency! ousting former secret police! these are good things and steps in the right direction.

Positive progress is slow and poland is no different. Progress is SLOWLY being made.

Life / CAN NON-POLISH UNDERSTAND POLAND? [17]

ridiculous. sorry. but i think that is so ridiculous.

political scandel is political scandel.

secret police, corruption, catholic church abusing power - nothing unique to poland at all!

Life / CAN NON-POLISH UNDERSTAND POLAND? [17]

but im talking about english verisons OF polish sourced news!

topix.net/world/poland
warsawvoice.pl
poland.pl
etc


thats my point like! :/ she is still not accepting it and im accused of acting like i know everything (i dont - i never talk about things i dont know about)