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celinski   
24 Mar 2008
History / Museum of the history of Polish Jews [29]

All I want is to show history of my country in true light, and make life in Poland more comfortable.

In Poland how is the history displayed today?
celinski   
24 Mar 2008
History / Museum of the history of Polish Jews [29]

I guess looking at it from the USA with "Holocaust" being every where I look I may be looking at it different. To me I never see other crimes take this much attention.
celinski   
24 Mar 2008
History / Museum of the history of Polish Jews [29]

Why not Catholicmuseums of Holocaust victims?

THE MUSEUM OF THE HISTORY OF POLISH JEWS
B-318 Rayburn House Office Building

Unofficial Transcript

SMITH: Because I know our distinguished witnesses will speak to all of the particulars about this very, very important museum. But I do want to say the $5 million, it is our hope -- which is a modest contribution -- will express in some way, some small way, U.S. heartfelt commitment to not just the museum building, bricks and mortar, but obviously and most importantly to the people it represents.
celinski   
24 Mar 2008
History / Ancient Polish History thread [180]

I thought I was educated on the "Holocaust", that is until I took
this 40 question test. Put it this way, I won't tell you my score and
you don't have to tell me yours.

Have fun, it is interesting. Carol

Holocausts of Communism Test
by Bryan Caplan

I dedicate this
to all those who did not live
to tell it.
And may they please forgive me
for not having seen it all
nor rememberered it all,
for not having divined all of it.
--Alexsander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

bcaplan.com/cgi-bin/museum1.cgi
celinski   
24 Mar 2008
History / Comment on YouTube regarding Powstanie Warszawskie [32]

Russian fool

History has not seen the full truth of what "Stalin" was up to. As the world freely condems "Hitler" the bigger killer "Stalin" continues to hide behind lies.

The executions of 21,857 Polish POWs and civilian officials, captured when the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east in 1939, serve as a telling example. Known as the Katyn Forest massacre for the location where 4,421 of the Polish POWs were shot in 1940, this grisly event proved too big to be buried with the bodies. The Soviet authorities put together a commission that claimed to prove that the Poles had died at the hands of the Germans after they invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. But the Katyn files in the Soviet archives, all labeled top secret, offer incontrovertible evidence that Stalin and other Soviet leaders ordered the executions and then orchestrated a cover-up that would continue for decades. Pressed repeatedly by the Poles for an honest accounting, even Mikhail Gorbachev would provide only a partial admission based on "newly discovered evidence" that had been there all along.

Great Terror of 1937-38, when approximately 700,000 people were shot in assembly-line executions

newsweek.com/id/90408
celinski   
24 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

Can we say it is better to die from cold, starving or hunger than gas? If we go into the number of deaths do we look at Russia and Germany.... I see the "Holocaust" as reporting "Jewish" victims on a large scale, where do non "Jewish victim's of Stalin" fit into the picture?
celinski   
21 Mar 2008
History / Comment on YouTube regarding Powstanie Warszawskie [32]

With Russia not taking responsibility for the murders commited they continue to live in lala land of lies. Can you share the You tube with us so we can also comment on this as education is needed.
celinski   
20 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

Where did I say that only Jews were the focus of the Holocaust?

In the USA when "Holocaust" is brought up the majority will tell you it was "Jewish" victims. It is rather sad, maybe because USA was allied with "Stalin" and the shame helped to keep this silent. Plus the fact that "Poland" could not speak of it in "Communist Polands" and the ones that came here were trying to hold jobs and could not communicate.
celinski   
20 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

The Polish situation is known to those that matter and the people that matter who don't know will apply research and commonsense in establishing the circumstances,

I think when it comes to finding lost family members it makes a big differance. Look at the billions of dollars in the "Holocaust". They have documentation from area's our families lived and it really does alter the history the way it's written. As I read some of the stories in the USHMM.org I see the parts of the story no one is aware of unless they have studied "Soviet" aspect of it.

It is also a law that children in the USA learn about the "Holocaust" K-8. If my children are to be taught I want them to know the full story, not just one version. Each country in Europe has a different view.

Another thing that many don't understand, although "Stalin" had more victim's than "Hitler", Russia has never been held responsable, whereas Germany has had to pay compensation. Not to mention the fact that "Stalin" killed on a wider scale, his own people included. Yet look at the way Pres. Putin can speak of "Stalin" as a great leader. Do you think they could claim "Hitler" as a great leader without nation wide outrage?
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

Is it the States or Israel? Wherever,its not coming from survivors,its coming from those with a hidden agenda from a much younger generation......shame on you all.

USA I must say has a billion dollar business I'm ashamed to say. Shame comes from changing history to fit your story. Yes, I will say "Stalin" should be right there next to "Hitler" and the full story of how the "Holocaust" attorneys have been able to use innocent "Jewish" families that were victim's of both dictators along with the "Forgotten Polish victims". Look at where the money ends up, not with the "Jewish" families they are still in line as Swiss back accounts will tell you. So the "Holocaust" name is just that. It changes like you change your socks.
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

Hitler and Stalin colluded to murder Poles

The reason being is "Jewish" were free to define "Holocaust" while their neighbors were silenced by "Stalin and Soviet and Russia" until 1989. With Poland being free to speak and the reception they are recieving from "Jewish" it is no wonder there is tension in the air. I personally never thought when this day came "Poland" would be treated as if the full truth was a compitition and with "Jewish attorneys" fine tweeking the meaning it's going to take some doing for all side to be heard. But IMO history today across a nation is distorted, incomplete and mis stated to meet one groups needs.
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

Thank you we are stating to be heard a museum in Minnesota has added our families let me know if you have a story to add.

chgs.umn.edu/webBib/links/
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

The Anders Army (officially the Polish Armed Forces in the Soviet Union) was the Polish army-in-exile that was raised in the Soviet Union in 1941-42. Its recruits consisted of Polish exiles who had been released from Soviet prison camps following the German invasion of the USSR on June 22, 1941, and the signing of the Soviet-Polish Reconciliation Agreement in London on July 30, 1941.

Take note: This is from your files in the "Holocaust Museum" and it is "Soviet prison camps" and yes, my family were here.

ushmm.org/uia-cgi/uia_doc/photos/1143?hr=null

As I stated I do not hate Jewish and will always consider them my equal, just not better. Carol
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

Ethnic Cleansing and Soviet Crimes Against Humanity
by Ataullah Bogdan Kopanski

During the period from 1939 to 1949, the Soviets committed mass murders of many peoples. Among those holocausted were: Baltic, Slavic, Caucasian and Turkic people, eastern Germans, and Poles.

vip.latnet.lv/LPRA/ethnic_cleansing.htm

22,000/25,000?

This is just "Katyn" so far there are other graves that have yet to be located, there is referance to them but Russia has not disclosed as of this date.

Why not just start a thread about how much you hate Jews

Where do you ever see me say anything about the dislike of "Jewish". You don't, I don't even bring up what they did to the Polish people in 1941. But I can if you like.

GENOCIDE
COMMITTED BY UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS
ON THE POLISH POPULATION OF VOLHYNIA
DURING WORLD WAR II (1939-1945)

If you recall the "Jewish" were also killing "Polish".

genocide007.webpark.pl/przedmowa_english.htm

Like I said, I do not speak down on "Jewish" but you are saying the "Jewish" suffering should be all that matters and I am saying no you forget this is "Poland's People". "Jewish Holocaust" uses "Stalin" and "Soviet" abuse but just for the "Jewish" and I say no more, the other victims are free to join you now.
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

You are claiming that Stalin planned to exterminate the population of Poland. Just think about that statement for a moment. Are you really such a moron that you want to make such a claim?

This is not a claim, this is a fact. Or are you saying the 22,000/25,000 in "Katyn" was the work of Germany.


celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

If the people shipped to Siberia died, Stalin didn't give a crap.

with the exception of small groups such as the officer corps and the AK, were the focus of a Stalinist policy which called for their deaths.

This is not true, Both Stalin and Hitler's plan was to kill off Polands people. Small # is also not the truth, more than Jewish victims is closer to the truth. Are you aware that the ones going to Siberia were to be killed but "Stalin" decided to slave them to death. They were never intended to live.

There is a misconception of the Holocaust during WWII. Please change your way of thinking, the holocaust was not ONLY the genocide of European Jews, it was the genocide of the ENTIRE polish population.

To the Nazis, the Poles were Untermenschen (subhumans) who occupied a land, which was part of the Lebensraum (living space) greatly desired by the superior German race. The ENTIRE Polish Nation was subjected to a program of extermination and enslavement. As Hitler made it clear before the German invasion of Poland in 1939, "The destruction of Poland is our primary task", Be merciless! Be brutal!, It is necessary to proceed with maximum severity, the war is to be a war of annihilation" .

Quote from Heinrich Himmler, the man who implemented the German war on the Poles and echoed Hitler's will "all Poles will disappear from the world. It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles."
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

Wow, how did I know this would happen when Poland was free to speak. Do you know how many Polish people were killed simply by trying to help the Jewish neighbors? Anyone else see what took place on "Stalin's" orders? 18 million killed and yet you feel your "Jewish" lifes are worth so much more than non Jewish? What happened to Poland in this picture?
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

"Poland for the Poles!"

But jews have the power!

From what I read the "Jewish" don't the attorney's that take the billions of dollars do.

Yes I am glad you understand it was "Poland" before it was taken over by "Communism". I'm sorry you do not see our families bodies, yes we also paid dearly, we are free now to speak the whole truth. At one point in time "Jewish" victims spoke of our families, then compensation and attorneys came into play and "Swiss" accounts, billions unaccounted for and rich attorneys. Even "Jewish" victims were not given a piece of the pie.
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

What's your point, that non-Jews also got killed? OK. Open your own museums.

What took place in eastern Poland as Hitler was in western in 1939? You didn't see means you choose not to look. While Poland's people of "OTHER" have been silenced for almost 70 years, I think you may have forgotten that this was "Poland's People" reguardless if some feel being "Jewish" makes them choosen.
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

In the USA I am having a difficult time having the "Holocaust Museums" understand this. They tell me because we are not "Jewish" and it was not "Nazi's". We I refer to for this question are Roman Catholic victim's of "Stalin". Who by the way had more "Polish victim's" than "Hitler" on the same dates.
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
News / Should we change the rules to let Poles join the British Army? [119]

Good point Carol

Why thank you Isthatu, long time no see, how r u? I must also add my loved ones that are in and have been in Iraq and Afghanastan have nothing but good to say about the Polish troops they have been with. Carol
celinski   
19 Mar 2008
History / Where do Polands non Jewish victims go? [64]

Should "Polands People" that were victim's of "Stalin, Soviets" be included in the "Holocaust"?

As Hitler started in the west, Stalin was busy in the east. The two clearly started out on this joint quest to take out Poland. Today we know that there were just as many non Jewish victims as there were Jewish. "Holocaust" has changed into big business with corruption and the victims being used to fatten their own wallets. With Poland's non Jewish free to speak out, do they place documentation in "Holocaust" museum's or start new ones?
celinski   
18 Mar 2008
News / Should we change the rules to let Poles join the British Army? [119]

Should we change the rules to let Poles join the British Army?

dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=537509&in_page_id=1770

Army recruitment officials are calling for a review of the rules on
foreigners serving in the British forces after a surge of interest
from Poles.

"Currently, they can't join up unless they live here for a
few years and get a British passport - and it would need legislation
to change that.
celinski   
17 Mar 2008
History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

Check out "The Impossible Escape". This is in full production and will be fantastic.

Carol

It certainly is incredible

youtube.com/impossibleescape
celinski   
17 Mar 2008
News / Polish leader promises compensation for confiscated propery in Poland [17]

Poles have til the end of 2008 to make claim for compensation for land lost during WW2.

Thanks for pointing that out I should have been more clear. This is for property taken after the war on outskirts. As you can see in the articals I have submitted, Poland is not placing "Jewish" victims on the top of the list as they requested. What I am hoping is the full story be brought into 2008 with victims of "Polands people" from both "Hitler" and "Stalin" IMO the real victims.

This led to quick speculation
that the Jewish community would enjoy a priviledged position in
property return claims.

The prime minister firmly dismissed such allegations stressing that
the new law will not differentiate claimants in any manner.

'Poor Poles, or rather their descendants, are to compensate
descendants of wealthy Polish citizens. We should organize a
referendum and ask Poles, if they want to pay? Someone who had a
rich grandfather is now demanding money from the Polish taxpayers.
That's what it boils down to. I, too, had a rich grandfather, but
I'm not asking for anything.'

polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul78072_Government_working_hard_on _ reprivatization_ .html
celinski   
15 Mar 2008
History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

happy Poland is better for everybody don't you think??

Yes I love happy people, maybe they drink to forget this dis respect. Maybe they drink because they have some kick as* vodka. LOL
celinski   
14 Mar 2008
History / WWII planes in Poland [38]

Anyone looking to buy some tanks? Carol

Nazi tanks offered for sale in Bulgaria

Hundreds of private collectors and some foreign museums have bought documents to take part in next week's auction, which will offer recovered parts of six German T3 and T4 tanks.

The defence ministry has so far recovered 55 German tanks, some of which will be sold at a second auction in late May.

Bulgaria, which joined NATO in 2004, received over 200 tanks, tank destroyers and heavy assault guns by the Nazis during the World War Two. The Balkan country smelted down some tanks after the war.

uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKL1346672120080313