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Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jul 2009
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I would feel much better if I was an atheist and didn't need to believe in God.
I mean - I could do whatever I wanted without wondering if it's OK or not

I think you exchange your God with a human conscience.

That would make every un-believer to people without conscience.
It's exactly these views which make the official church (and her followers) so detestable to many...
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jul 2009
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That's exactly what some people said 2000 years ago and what they will be
saying 2000 years from now on very probably :)

Maybe people then will laugh about people who believed in this fairytale book "the bible" and not adhere to the one and only (of course true) belief as it is now fashion 2000 years later...:)

Maybe you will be the "pagan" for them in this future...

Who is this Dan Brown btw.?

He is the fictional writer who wrote "Angel's and Demons" and "DaVinci Code".

Oh god!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jul 2009
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I think he wanted to says is that all these "eternal truths" as written in your holy books are fairly new fashioned things when seen in the whole picture and in 2000 years from now on they will be forgotten already very probably...

That's because of exactly what I've been trying to tell you all this time. The Church was the only force making these things possible.

Well...I would rather say they achieved everything DESPITE of the church not because of her as the church always tried her damnest to prohibit independent thinking and uttering thoughts which were not hundredpercent bible thumping.

(We all can still watch that behaviour today...only that most only laugh about it now and nobody really listens anymore).
Not so during the dark ages as it could be very well deadly to fight the almighty church.

Who is this Dan Brown btw.?

PS: Back to the other thread...this is also a good example to show you how people can actually evolve above what their parents did think and believe.

Or the church would still have all that influence and the churches wouldn't become emptier every year....
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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I said that I believe - it is faith not knowledge that we're talking about.

That is fine!
It's the "god gave us...,"god told me so...","god promised us..."part where most have difficulties with.
Especially when it comes to policies which influence millions of lives.

Man I brought the thread back on topic!!! *applauds himself*
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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The first is the blatant and obnoxious try from right wing christian hardcore nutters to defame the rights of the women for abortions, just crap...no surprise here.

Child sacrifices were not common between the european pagans.

But the second...you bet! :)

PS: Did you actually read the article Torq? ROFL :):):)

...Wiccans are also encouraged to work their magic on the area surrounding the clinic: "Finally, many individuals and groups have been helping to magically (sic) protect the building and property ... This has been done by magical and psychic shielding being put on and around the property...."

Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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I found also something about them: Quite uneuropean...no germanic tradition!

...
The gods Asherah, Baal, Molech and Ashteroth had also been a stumbling block for the Israelites, when they possessed the "promise land" east of the Jordan River, or Canaan. Ironically, they purged the Canaanites out, who practiced child sacrifice, and yet they too in time did the same thing.
...

forerunner.com/champion/nothing_new.html
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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Do you have a link to that?

PS: You know that Paganism is no universal belief like Christianity, don't you?
Every people has their own, natural grown set of traditions, customs and beliefs...no claim of having the universal answer for everybody here!
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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That's debatable - I'd say that what Nazis did in the name of their "master-race"
or what communists did in the name of their sick ideology is much worse.

Well..the Wehrmacht marched with "Gott mit uns" on their beltbuckles.
Says everything, really...
And Communism was not really much different...they had their saints, their gods, their holy books, dissidents were killed...

You really don't have a clue about Christanity, do you?

More than I ever wanted...

Do you listen to yourself?
"washed away"...an "original sin" on a NEWBORN...that is just perverse! Both notions actually, that a human being is born with a sin and that said sin can be washed away...you are crazy!

But then, that is coming from the same people who get ordered around by God himself! :):):)
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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Everything is better than what the Christian did in the name of their god Torqi....your tactic is not working.

The mass murder in the last centuries in the name of the christian god are uncomparable with anything the Pagans could ever do.
(Not to mention that 2000 years of christian brainwashing still left their traces on some weak minded)

And yes, it is a much nicer and much more natural way for a litttle baby to come into this world without being burdened by a mysterious sin it will have to repent for the whole life!

But to answer your question, my germanic ancestors had their own set of deities...but none of them to bow slavishly to.
A quite independent, free spirited lot my pagan ancestors where! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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Well...he saved me the work! :)
But he surely overlooked alot...2000 years can be damned long when you are on the wrong end of the stick!

We don't know who will be saved and who won't.
We can have some clues and suspicions but that's all. The final decision
is for God to make.

That's nice!

Pagans even don't have that hassle...we don't need any "saving" at all...not being born sinners in the first place, isn't that much nicer!
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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Someone will come shouting for a link soon.

Thanks for your post now I can post the rest too...(somehow it didn't work first)

captaincynic.com/thread/48859/christian-crimes-against-humanity.htm

Okay...and on it goes:

....
To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95% destroyed.

What a blessing they were for mankind...(sarcasm)
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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You can't claim that Copernicus became a clergyman because he was afraid of being tortured and killed otherwise. Seriously. It doesn't work.

Well..it's kind of like during the Nazi- or Commie times...
When you were some peasant in some remote little village it didn't matter as much as if you tried to achieve something. For centuries there was no way to get somewhere without using the monopol the Church had.

So yes...it was important that you had the right belief, the right connections etc., don't play daft here!

But it's really fruitless to talk with religious nutters.
I just take pleasure in watching the church struggle to get heard anymore at all.
What a power the Vatican once was now he must watch what he says...who takes them seriously anymore! What a fall from grace...still falling...:)

A Large dated compilation of Christian Crimes since its advent:

As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.

Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.

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Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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Well...it precedes all nationstates...:)

But maybe you feel really more in common with the Arabs and the Jews than with your fellow Europeans...your choice!
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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Europe will be better off shedding the shackles of this foreign, un-european, middle eastern, desert religion.
We will be stronger once we find back to our real roots!
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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Well...the whole christian dictatorship over Europe for much of the last millennia HAD everything to do with power, tell me something new.
They are losing it now...fast...
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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This was not Christianity; these were men acting out for their own good at the expense of others.

Well...it was in the name of the christian god with the bible as kind of witness because said scientists didn't heed what was written in the "holy" book, daring to doubt it (a punishable thing to do)...it was a very christian affair!

Yes...comparable to a dictatorship.
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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It doesn't seem to occur to you that the Catholic Church was the stabilizing force that made scientific advancement and intellectual progress possible in the Middle Ages...

Yeah.....sure....lifelong house arrest for Galileo, burned at a stake for Giordano Bruno...Darwin...even Copernicus....my what a light the church was for all researcher and truth seeker! :):):)

A "stabilizing force" in the same sense like a "graveyard peace" is some kind of a peace too..

...Copernicus' publication On the Revolution of the Celestial Spheres was not published until after he died in order for him to avoid being persecuted by the Church. Often called the Copernican Revolution, this actually was not much of a revolution. The book was published in Latin, so the general public was not able to read it. Academics could, but few learned people were willing to face the Church and risk death. It wasn't even until 73 years after it was published,[b] 1616, did the Church consider it important enough to place on its Index of Prohibited Books...

Listening to you Kaz one could wonder what the infamous Inquisition was for if all were so happy together...

Hell, even Copernicus was a clergyman.

Everybody had to...it was not as if the church left the people with much choices.
If they wanted to avoid getting tortured and killed in the name of God (all for their own best of course).
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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What makes you say that?.

It was a way of thinking, of seeing and explaining the world around them, of customs and traditions, which has grown for millennia with the people, with the land...it fit them like a glove.

The middle eastern import was so strange and foreign to the european natives! It was a crime!

Where do you think science would be now if it weren't for the Catholic Church?

Astronomers burned or terrorized? Denial of the Evolution? "God made the world in 6 days" anybody???

Now it get's ridiculous!:)

Ever heard of the Sky Disc of Nebra?
Pagans already used astronomy for their harvesting 3000 years back...
dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1915398,00.html

if no part of the Ten Commandments were ever written into state law, you'd be happy with that, right?

Nothing new to what the germanic tribes had already long before their agreed rules and their own law system. Problems and fights were discussed at a Thing long before the bible was written.

Even the wise women had their high status (which Christians liked to burn later as witches).

You would find that there is a lot of difference if you lived for one year in a catholic
country, let's say Poland, and one year in an islamic country, like Saudi Arabia for example
trying to practice your paganism. Yes - you would truly feel the difference between
catholicism and islam.

Well...the christian church of today isn't what she is used to be.
The rampage she was on for more than 1000 years is coming to an end, inclusive stake burning, drowning of women, religious crusades, killing whole peoples, religious wars, terrorizing of all dissidents etc.etc.

The western, modern world is becoming more and more secular, most people no longer giving a rat's ass about what some old tosser in the Vatikan says or thinks.

The Islam is where the Catholics were during the middle ages...they too will come along in another century or two.

You are much more similiar to each other than you want to. But maybe it needs an outsider to see that...
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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It was a bad thing for every non-believer, doubter, scientist, pagan...could become very quick very deadly! So much for "free will"...

Do you for example want to live under Taliban rule? They telling you what is "right" or "wrong" according to their book? Punishing you if you don't act like it?

Go figure, that's how Pagans felt as the Christians came... "free will" my a*ss!
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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How does the Bible contradict our free will?

Oh please?
As if Bible, Torah, Koran not determine for their believers what is "good" and what is "wrong".
There is not much difference between an arch catholic and an islamist Taliban.
Some centuries back you would probably had burned me on the stake for my "blasphemy".

Europe was very well happy with their old customs till Christians came and terrorized the people into the new religion.
Your christian wars costs millions their lifes and brought countless misery for centuries to the people.

Your bible and "free will", thanks for the good laugh!
Glad seeing you zealots now leaving slowly but surely...about time!
And look! We pagans are still here...:):):)
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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Well...I surely don't need a voice telling me to do things and then slavishly to follow these imagined orders...I as a Pagan have a free, independent will to show everybody the finger (or not).
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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Do you feel like something is telling you to do that?

It's not me saying that God is speaking to me, hearing voices, ordering me to do things....:)
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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I could give you an example of such country not very far from Poland :)

Yeah...these pesky Belgians...I tell ya! :)

and that's what Bible
tells us.

...it's useless to discuss with religious zealots.
One can only hope they join the real world sooner or later.
Just saying, it never brought anything good to the people and Israel better get's his act together soon or they are to become pretty isolated/driven out once more.

The time where a country could make policy because "God told them to" and still be an accepted member of the world community is long gone...

On the side note, BB, when the Day of Judgement comes

ROFL
Can't wait to show him the finger!

I only wrote it, so if God asks me about you I'll be able to say:

Sure...God and Torq meet and what do they chat about??? Little 'ol Bratwurst...suuuuuure!
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2009
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G-d made it our homeland back then, and we lived in it for about 2000 years till we were forced out.

Oh puleeeze....
If in Germany one breaks into another ones appartement, destroys the furniture and forces the family living there to leave at gunpoint and says he has a right to do it because God told him so the people in the white coats would get called immediately, you can bet on it.

And since then we've made it clear that we still claim it, and every nation we lived with made it clear that they wished we'd go back to it.

Well..I would then start with good long look in the mirror if I were you to find the reason for that!

If the Visigoths were around today you could ask them. But they aren't. We are, and that's a big difference.

Yes, the Visigoths immigrated, assimilated and made themselves good and valiant members of their new communities in all this time.
Big difference!

You all belong onto the couch of a good psychatrist...really!
"God told us" Hah! What an argument!

That's one of the reasons why I like Jews - they're smart people.

2000 years being the worlds pariah? Believing to be "God's chosen"? What is smart about it? I call that pretty stupid...look what it got them.

If I would believe in the bible fairytales I would be pretty p*issed by now being a Jew! :(