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celinski   
6 Mar 2009
News / Poland embraces new effort to fight anti-Semitism [138]

None of the above is to say that I don't think there are anti-Polish Jews. There are many of them, but they're mostly to be found in the US not Poland.

I would say Israel.

Here, we simply disagree. I don't believe there are the facts and figures to back up a 'mass turncoat movement' of Jews allying with Soviet Russia. But I think that's another discussion for another thread.

Please read this link from last week and you will see the connection. I am not saying all soviets were Jewish, just the majority. Even in the new movie "Defiance" as the Jewish were killing Polish, they said the Soviets were not attacking them. Well they were attacking Polish non Jewish and I know there were Jewish in Siberia CC camps, just not Communist Jews.

polishforums.com/archives/2009/history-34/rabbi-aviner-poles-collaborated-nazis-33041/13/
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
News / Poland embraces new effort to fight anti-Semitism [138]

ethnicity, culture and common interests

I don't see this, I see a lot of lambs being lead to slaughter. The religion changes and the Rabbis are crazy. Just yesterday I read about this Rabbi with his own daughter, I find Jewish religion as depending on where they go to worship and under whom.

Rabbi cross-examines daughter in sex trial jta.org/news/article/2009/03/04/1003456/rabbi-cross-examines-da ughter-in-sex-trial

There are God fearing good Jewish people, and there are bad.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

Read the telegraphs FDR and Churchill exchanged.

There was more than one telegraph. Yes, they let Stalin have his way just as they did on giving him Poland. If you go to FDR's library they have the org. documents and it shows what was said behind closed doors. Just as it address "Katyn" and not dealing with Russia on this crime. They knew what Stalin was pulling. Look here is an American,

the American migrants to the Soviet Union learned the bitter truth soon after their arrival. There they found not a worker's paradise, but near-starvation standards of living, lack of adequate or even slightly decent housing, and little to purchase with the meager funds they were actually paid. When they arrived in the Soviet Union, the Americans were asked to "temporarily" give up their passports. Realizing their mistake and seeking to return to the United States, they were told they were now Soviet citizens subject exclusively to Soviet law, and were not free to come home. Turning for help to the American embassy (after FDR's administration had recognized the Soviet Union in 1933), they were astonished to find that the personnel treated them, as one diplomat put it, as the "flotsam and jetsam" of America who deserved the fate handed them, and that their own government would not do anything to help them.

nrd.nationalreview/article/

celinski   
6 Mar 2009
News / Poland embraces new effort to fight anti-Semitism [138]

the minute they got a chance there was a mass turncoat movement in which they allied themselves with Stalins Russia.

You are right here but also the ones that were in control positions in Germany, Ukraine. Jewish is a religion not a nationality and religions can alter for apperance sake. Read this on the different issues. Some is trash while other parts are fact that continues to be denied.

sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=426288#post426288

celinski   
6 Mar 2009
News / Poland embraces new effort to fight anti-Semitism [138]

Poland nor any other country shall stop anti-Semitism as this is a self made tool. Jewish need this to continue the sole victim and benefactor of crimes. Many Jewish in the USA will tell you this. If the Nation want to stop Anti-Semitism it's simple stop buying the media or reacting when they make this claim.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Centre of Deported Polish Citizens, showing the WWII-era [10]

BTW. I am presently looking for additional finance for a documentary about life of Capt. Witold Pilecki—budget is minimum £300,000 to produce a one hour programme :-)

Have you ever seen "A Forgotten Odyssey" by Jaguna Wright? She could not find anyone to produce this so she did it herself. Sadly she lost her battle with cancer. I will keep you in mind as we look for sponsers for Kresy-Siberia.org virtual museum. I wish you all the luck as it needs production. Have you thought of asking "The History Channel"?
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

You are a pathetic liar Carol.

I do not lie Harry and if I make a mistake I admit it. Sorry you are very wrong and you might want to follow the link I gave and watch all 5 they will update you for our future conversations.

And by the way Harry, here in the USA the children are the only ones that use terminogy such as "liar", you might try saying, I think you are wrong or I believed.... vs making people think you are an uneducated fool.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

And when Churchill proposed sending planes anyway (on the basis that the Russians would not mistreat British & American airmen), FDR told him the USA wasn't interested in doing that

The film says nothing about Poles escaping from tunnels and being shot by the Red Army as they came out. You are a pathetic liar Carol.

Harry I even gave you the min to go to are you really drinking this early in the am? I believe FDR and Churchill tried to convince Stalin.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

The USAAF did not make hundreds of flights: they made a single mission.

I believe Stalin would not let them use the air field. Did you see the part about Soviets killing Polish, I was waiting for you to say, Sorry I called you a lier Carol.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

says not even a single word about Poles escaping Nazis, coming out of tunnels and being shot by Soviets. You are pathetic.

look at 4 min 45 second brain. This time when you watch , listen.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

Carol: come to Warsaw, look at the river, imagine where the Germans were and where the Soviets were. Then think about how stupid your claim is.

Harry please stop being so insulting? Watch, listen and learn the truth.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

Carol claims

No Carol knows and when US and Britian found this out they were outraged. I will find you the victims that were there and you can become educated also. :)

meant sewers, and crossing Vistula would be pathetically easy for the Red Army, they had such number of artillery they could shield their engineers without any effort.

thank you
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

Killing not exterminating

I stand corrected we all know how important slaves were to Stalin. Why kill what you can slave to death.

[quote]The Soviet Gulag existed neither as a single unified experience, nor as a single unified institution. This massive and lethal machine influenced the lives of millions of people from 1917-1988.

gulaghistory.org
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

I am amazed the past two years how many Russians there are travelling, it never used to be like that.

You see this also?

It is changing but slowly, too slowly for these old women.

I think with the 70th coming up you will see a rise in the history being told.

Yes. The transition period is not going very well here, very slowly with little support or understanding

I also see a closer tie with the Nations working as a team to help restore Poland, the people and close the gap between the ones that lost Poland and the ones that lived under communist control.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

They've liberated it from Germans and lets face it German plans for Poles were rather gruesome, we'd be exterminated so Russia did save us from genocide and degradation but their alternative was no rose and candy either so russian veterans can kiss my ass as far as respect and gratitude.

Russia was extermininating Polish. Look at the death toll on the Polish side and who was doing the killing from start, during and after the war.

The Warsaw uprising, the Poles revolted against the Nazis and the Red army held back, letting the two beat each other and then came in to claim it for themselves.
That should have been an indicator as to the BIG plan.

Even the Russians that wanted to cross the river and help the Polish allies were shot if they tried. When Polish were fleeing Nazis through the tunnels it was the Soviets, our allies on the end killing the Polish coming out. Read "The Case of 16 Poles" and the plot for war on USSR as told in official documents, I found it on line.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

They fell in the cracks between two very different worlds.

That is wrong in any society. When we look at the Cold war and what it was, it is still there just changed the faces.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

They've liberated Poland

They Occupied Poland and I can not blame the military that followed orders, I can blame Stalin our so called ally. One thing must be faced, Stalin never intended to have a free Poland. Right from the on set of war, Stalin made his plans known.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

While in Poland people of a certain age or older talk about the commies

Sadly its not just Poland, my father has a hard time speaking of his past and even failed to speak of this until I was a teenager. Many don't know this but even contacting realitive in Communist Poland put the family at risk. It has not been that long that the deported families felt safe to go back to Poland. Today it is the children of the families that are speaking out for justice.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

The ordinary Red Army soldiers

There are good and bad in any military unit. This is about the crimes by the Soviet Goverment and Stalin dark side. He not only sent his own to Concentration camps he sent the other allies. I was just reading of the American that were in Siberia.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

Why is it that the Commies got away with all of this while the Nazis didn't?.

Because the people were silenced. I can remember not to very long ago in the Ukraine area more bodies were found, this was like 1980. Even then the citizen that lived there would whisper behind closed door and know not to speak of this,
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Centre of Deported Polish Citizens, showing the WWII-era [10]

As Russia tries to hold back the history Poland sees new day ahead.

Senator Dorota Arciszewska- Mielewczyk suggests Poland should build a Centre of Deported Polish Citizens, showing the WWII-era martyrology of Poles from the East and West. 'Otherwise the world will only know the story about poor Germans', she says.

'Such a museum is something Poland should have long had! After all, as a result of the war started by the Germans, millions of Poles were murdered, forcefully evicted from their homes, sent to camps or to slave labour in the Reich. Then further millions were sent to lagers, murdered and resettled from the eastern borderlands to the "Regained Territories" by Stalin. It's seventy years after the start of the war and we still haven't been able to build a museum that would present the great martyrology of the Polish people. We owe this to our ancestors.'

'Such a museum is something Poland should have long had! After all, as a result of the war started by the Germans, millions of Poles were murdered, forcefully evicted from their homes, sent to camps or to slave labour in the Reich. Then further millions were sent to lagers, murdered and resettled from the eastern borderlands to the "Regained Territories" by Stalin. It's seventy years after the start of the war and we still haven't been able to build a museum that would present the great martyrology of the Polish people. We owe this to our ancestors.'

celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

Our soldiers were heroes

This has nothing to do with heros in Soviet military, many of them killed by Stalin orders, I might add. This is about telling historical truth, letting the people think, speak, learn without the goverment playing God.
celinski   
6 Mar 2009
History / Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics [57]

The Gulag Archipelago

I should hope they won't start sending there people back to Siberia to punish them. This is taking Ruissia so far backwards.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

That was so sad when he passed away. He lived not far from me in the USA.