News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


Provide a source when I based my theories on religion. You are a liar.

Love / What do Polish women think of feminism? [99]


hmm... Do you consider yourself to be at least a bit of martyr?


Look at the brightest side of this situation. With increasing numbers of men, the number of harems would be significantly reduced.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


I care less about this issue, this is not a problem of today's Poland. However definition must always apply to all times.


This reply reminds me famous communist slogan. When "the west" attacked Soviet human rights record, Soviet propaganda replied "and in the US they beat blacks!".

I highly doubt how this issue is related to this thread. However yes, I'm pro-life and it is always a pleasure to me to rebuke attacks of radicals from pro-death camp. Unscientific opinions represented by yourself or Seanus over this issue should be ignored, this is just lousy philosophy...

Love / What do Polish women think of feminism? [99]




Don't be part of this horrific system! Surrender your capital to women! Words,words, words. This is not enough, be a man of action! :)

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


I don't know precesily to which statements do you refer. However if I recall correctly Yehudi refused to recognize such crimes to be committed by Jews, because this was job of atheist (communist) Jewry. He doesn't consider such people to be Jewish, thus his position origin from his religious beliefs. You can refuse to accept such perspective but it doesn't mean that he is dishonest. This is approach popular in religious Jewish circles, I know from personal experience.

M-G on other hand, an atheist Jew himself (correct me if I'm wrong!) and left-wing historian might be simply interested to cover crimes committed by his brothers in ideology.

I noticed double standards in his posting. Commenting about bishop Williamson statement, he claimed that Williamson denied holocaust (in fact he highly lowered the number of Jewish victims). M-G named Williamson to be criminal, I understand that place of criminals is in prison. Here he spoked openly against freedom of speech, freedom to debate historic issues (a self-declared historian !!!).

In other thread debating about Katyn, M-G refused to name this crime to be a genocide despite the fact that it fits perfectly to UN's definition of genocide. According to his previous logic, many of us could name him to be a criminal. He feel free to authoritatively without any logical line name some crimes to be genocides and some other crimes not. Of course crimes committed on Poles somehow doesn't fit to his own definition of genocide. Apparently only criminals could disagree. :)

News / THE HOMINTERN IN POLAND? [80]


There is famous video available on-line. (from the US, scandalously banned from You Tube)


Please tell me how much people in Christian world support these wars? I personally many times speak out again it. Armies were sent by atheist political establishment. Christian churches were always against, Pope JPII attitude over this issue was well known.


It was a positive move at that time dealing with socially dangerous demagogues whom targeted very naive at that time population. This is just secular state often twisted the sense of inquisition to eliminate political opponents. King of Spain was not loyal to papacy. Let Spain serve as an example.

Nasty primitive religion? This must be this famous leftist tolerance coming out of you.


Bribing to convert? Their faith must be strong indeed in they would accept such offer. We are talking about something else, about verbal bashing, about psychical attacks.


Too late to answer today. Anyway this is another example of leftist tolerance, name calling already in the first sentence. Cannot you wait at least to the last one? :)

News / THE HOMINTERN IN POLAND? [80]


Even peaceful people have the right to defend themselves. All this stuff about Christians invading Muslim lands is bogus. These areas were populated mostly by Christians and invaded by Muslims. You are a hypocrite if you refuse to invaded Christians the right to ask for help their brothers in faith. I highly doubt whether you would welcome rule of Muslim invaders in your little Netherlands. I think that you would cry loud and beg for help from all over Europe. (even evil Catholic Poland)


Witch-hunt BS was indeed popular among those heretics that you defend so much. The church's aim is to convert unbelievers, the aim of state was always to kill political opponents which happened to be heretics at that time.


For example the supposed right to kill unborn human being... Aren't you a socialist by any chance? They are masters in forbidding things competition. If I recall correctly you are against freedom of speech.


From what I read Arabs were indeed tolerant toward Christians. Neither Christians butchered Arabs. This was state from Persia, the first to commit genocide against Christian population.

By the way, if you need to come up with crusades to defend your argument then you must be really desperate. Even if your poor understanding of these events would be correct, this is absolutely not related to current realities. Christianity is the most targeted religion because Christians are peaceful people.

News / THE HOMINTERN IN POLAND? [80]


OK, let reverse your proposal to Polonius3.

More verbal diarrhoea from the non-Christian Left. Leave Poland alone with your righteous nonsense.!

Will you abide to your own logic Seanus? :)


Probably the most funny argument that I heard over this issue.


If you demand access to public schools to spread your propaganda then expert troubles. This is very delicate issue and really nobody like own children being indoctrinated about something that he/she consider incorrect.


I kindly remind you that children use to have father as well. I don't even mention about the right of human being to not be murdered. Yes, Human Right Declaration is very selective and as such should be rejected. There was one quite famous socialist babbling something about subhumans, he is gone and I wait till his theories vanish from people's minds as well.


Number of divorces in western world is growing all the time. This is supported by social policy of governments and immoral lifestyle promoted in mainstream media. Anti-family values are indeed force on population, even if many people is unaware of such indoctrination.


This is probably the most bashed religion all over the world. It is because Christians are mostly peaceful people, an easy target.


This is nonsense, instead to repeat "what they say in TV" you could think on your own. Why don't you make a list of people that you know relatively well (or even family members) and then estimate how many of them are homosexuals. I bet that this is nowhere near 1 of 10.

News / BNP far right in Poland [116]


You repeat yourself, I asked for details.


If you misinterpret this issue as Arien does then you could spit on everybody. This is not how well mannered people should behave.


Every honest person fell deep disgust witnessing innocent people being slandered. I could ignore people like Harry, who is quite fanatical in his convictions and thus blind for the facts. However you hit my nerve by misinterpreting facts and lying without any shame with smile on your face. This is something that only truly evil people are capable to do.

I disagree with Islam but I don't come into Saudi forum to write BS to provoke people. Neither I would ever print caricatures of prophet Mohamed for fun. This is something that only people with class can understand.

You call yourself tolerant? You are no different from those who blame the Jews for everything. They misinterpret events like you, they lie like you and they hate like you. Two sides of the same coin minted in mint of bigotry.


He seriously lowered the number of victims that we are somehow obligated to believe. He have no evidence to confirm it, neither 6 millions could be confirmed. From today's perspective it doesn't matter anyway, genocide was committed and whether this is million or 100 millions of victims, this is equally evil.

Nazi means a National Socialist and he is neither nationalist or socialist. You need to improve your vocabulary.


Perhaps this is true, what would be so unusual about this situation? Clever tactic.

I'm still curious what is your source? Where I can find this list?



I second your opinions. Yehudi, the only true Jew who appeared in this forum did not came here to provoke people or proof something. In fact, it is a pity that he post rarely because I have some questions about Judaism that PC-brigade on PF cannot answer. Those people are not Jewish but produce a lot of bad PR for the Jews. With such friends who need enemies!


I'm sure that Crow himself is able to put these things in perspective despite that his countrymen were targeted. However Crow is more honest...

News / BNP far right in Poland [116]

The church overall was always opposed to National Socialist movement but why to mention it. Naturally anti-Catholic internet brigade will always bring into the light those few who betrayed their supposed beliefs. Very selective is your memory. However Polish people here wont be fooled by this BS.


I personally do not find him a reasonable person, either politically or historically.

However for Arien 'Nazi' is just a slur without any precise meaning. The only intention is to offend for fun. Absolutely disgusting person.

News / BNP far right in Poland [116]


Vatican is not responsible for individual actions of some minor part of Catholic clergy. Neither Benedict XVI is to blame for being forced to HitlerJugend as a child. Benedict did not appoint Bishop Williamson, neither the second denied Holocaust. Arien is simply a disgusting person who like to slander innocent people.


What do you mean by radical islamists? What do you mean by Vatican working with them? Seanus, do you always must buy every conspiracy theory?

News / BNP far right in Poland [116]


Arien is on drugs as usual.

News / BNP far right in Poland [116]


As I wrote earlier Samoobrona was totally populist and Lepper was anything but careful when choosing political partners. Some their MPs were lacking even primary education. As far I remember Bubel have its own minor party. I don't know what shady reasons pushed Lepper to cooperate with him but political platform of SO was not racist for sure.

Do you claim that this party newspaper spread racist message? I'm sure that mainstream media would cry loud about it before. Provide some evidence about racism in this newspaper.


I never heard about Niklot, it must be some minor 'organization' even on poor nationalist standards. Once again this is strange personal choice but he did not affect SO policy at all.


I read that Prawica Narodowa was run by professor Bartyzel who definitely is not a racist. This is a slander.


Well this action was idiotic but he was a teenager at that time. Get a life Harry. All those people searching teen sins of today's adult people should get a life. Doesn't matter whether one was a communist or fascist at that time, today such people might be valuable citizens. They made mistakes as teens but at least they were interested in something more than consumption. Do you recall myself searching for shady histories from early life of my current political opponents? This is tasteless tactic directly out of tabloids.


Either you have no even basic idea about Polish politics or just a lot of bad will to repeat such lies over and over. You posted about some trivial cases that have absolutely no influence on political platform of SO (if anything like that ever existed!).

What is your source, what kind of list is it? It looks like some equivalent of infamous Blood and Honor website.

News / BNP far right in Poland [116]


Here you have rare interesting interview with priest from SSPX.
patrz.pl/filmy/id/703290


This is nonsense. You compare state to God? Marriage this is church's sacrament. State issued "marriages", this is great usurpation and interference in our private life.

News / BNP far right in Poland [116]


You confuse SSPX and sedevacandist sect. The second are outside of the church. They don't recognize modern Popes.

News / BNP far right in Poland [116]


No he is not, he is a heretic.

News / BNP far right in Poland [116]



Why do you call 'national socialists' to be 'right'? They have more in common with leftist political platform.


LPR is nationally minded by far from what I heard about BNP. They should be considered moderate national party. There are no direct links between racism and their political platform.

While you claim that Samoobrona is racist betray your lack of knowledge about Polish politics. You base this claim on what?? I'm the last one in this forum ho would sympathize with this ultra-populist party of former lower ranked commies. Great share of their members were former members of SLD. This party was all about completely stupid socialist empty promises that no reasonable person would buy. Show me this racism in SO, cause I must be blind and deaf?

History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]


Might I ask what was your former religion and wherever you are Jewish by ethnic origin? It would help me to better understand this situation.

News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]


No offence but this is one of the most ridiculous statements that I read in this forum. EU establishment is unfriendly to all religions and especially to Christianity. Only pure hatred for Christianity leads them to support position of Islam in Europe.


I bet that according to Orzel communist influence saved Poland a bit. :)


According to Catholic rules those people excommunicated themselves. People who share you definition of "Catholicism" probably wish this term lose its meaning to nothing.


Vatican is unrelated to the EU. These two subjects preach often for opposite goals.

If you consider his popularity in the UK and aboard,I think that Tony Blair apparently wanted to discredit the CC by joining to it officially. I cannot explain it otherwise. Immediately after he was accepted, he started talking what he would change in teaching of the church. A person join to church and reject its teachings in the same time.

We should remember how he acted as British PM. Neither in his foreign or domestic policy one could notice any Catholic thought. One could say that this was other way around. When the church call for peace, Tony starts the war. His government is also responsible for destruction of Catholic orphanages.

Language / How do little children know that they should say "mamo" rather than "mama"? [23]


This is also part of so called "rites of passage". Many wise people claim, when rites of passage vanishing, that culture is on the edge of destruction. Europe is dying, any correlation? I'm afraid this is part of a problem.

Children in Poland are also more and more arrogant and adults more and more ignore it. Children should be immediately lectured when they violate widely recognized cultural norms. While adults should be lectured when fail to lecture children who deserve to be lectured.

News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]

It is sad but not so much if you know that this is temporary tendency. Like global warming and global cooling. :)

News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]

Soon fascination with leftism will be over in the west as well. There was many periods of time with smaller and bigger attendance at churches. For example in the UK Catholicism is growing also duo to Polish, Slovak, Hungarian and Lithuanian immigration. Some time ago I read that Catholic Church have already the biggest attendance in the UK. Catholic Church is eternal.

News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]


There is some doctrine, teaching that especially clergy is obligated to spread, while ordinary members of the church should be obedient. Personal popularity of each every priest is welcome as long as it serve the goal. It must be in shadow.


About what?


Please explain...

News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]

If somebody stopped to attend to church only because late Pope passed away, I ask whether this is serious person? Popularity was good but only to such extend when people listened to his words. Crowds cheering him in the middle of mass, this is a farce. Catholicism is not about personal fan club of Pope.

Polonia / Any thoughts on religion in Russia from Poland? [9]

I tend to doubt whether they are even Catholics. Most of PiS leadership are atheists. They referred to Catechism you say? Any source? One doesn't need to be a Catholic to oppose homo-parades.

Anyway this is something else when politicians refer to teaching of the church and something else when politicians try to change traditional teaching of the church to serve their agenda.

History / Matters of Propaganda...Or: how was the West portrayed in Poland? [150]

Some things are messed up in this thread. Bravery of the people and brutality of each every communist government, these are two different things that hardly can be compared. Those people lived in different political conditions.

Poland was indeed considered as "the happiest barrack of the socialist camp" by many people who lived behind iron curtain. Regime in Poland was softer duo to several reasons.

- strong position of the Catholic Church
- before WWII communist movement was a marginal force unlike in many surrounding states
- Stalin himself as a general experienced defeat of Soviet forces at the gates of Warsaw in 1920. Later claimed that imposing communism in Poland is like putting saddle on cow.

- rich history of military uprisings started by Poles

Soviets knew that foundations are shaky in Poland so they decided run softer policy. Church was not destroyed, no collectivization, it was easier to travel, less terror in general. There is nothing to compare with the Soviet Union, these were two separate. In Soviet Union nobody would scream on the middle of street "f... communism" or something like that. This is not about lack of bravery but simply common sense. In Poland you could easily get away with no punishment, in the Soviet Union these could be your last words. Scale of terror was different on different periods of time. Till Stalin was alive people elsewhere were terrorized the most. One could say that each every leader was less oppressive but still oppressive.

The fact that there was not great military uprising in Poland was a good thing. Realistically such event had no chance to succeed, so reasonable people had different priority. If for example Lithuania organized uprising before 1956 (and perhaps even later ) Stalin would kill half of them and send the rest all over the SU. For a small nation this could be a kiss of death. Fortunately nobody influential over there was that stupid and today they enjoy independence at least till Lisbon Treaty is not ratified by president Klaus. Funnily enough Klaus and Havel often travelled to communist Poland to rest a bit from communist repressions in Czechoslovakia. Czech candidates often secretly becoming priest in Poland, because church was repressed in their homeland.

Those interested in relations between the west and the SU should read book of former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky who had an unique opportunity to study Soviet archives for a while. Title if the book is "Process in Moscow" (Moskiewski Proces), Unfortunately, it is not available in English duo to threats of some American businessmen mentioned in text. I know that there are Polish (check out Allegro) and German translations, probably some other as well. Book mention this attitude mentioned by southern (there was something about Greece as well) of some socialist and communist parties in Europe (often financed partly from Soviet budget).

Polonia / Any thoughts on religion in Russia from Poland? [9]

This is good development unless the church become dependent from the state. This is strong point of Catholicism. Politicians usually try to use Orthodox churches to play their games. Even Stalin did it when National Socialists invaded the SU.

News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]

I don't think so, Seanus. This was pretty pathetic that JPII got often pop-star treatment in Poland. I'm happy that new pope is not Polish and even happier that this is Benedict XVI. The right man on the right place.

History / Matters of Propaganda...Or: how was the West portrayed in Poland? [150]

Teenagers are often such a naive fools, fortunately most of them become smarter with age.

News / Are Poles happy about the impending Federal states of Europe? [20]

Today Polish president broke Polish Constitution, shame on him and his ill-minded palls from PiS. You wont find more lying politicians in Poland than those from PiS, probably the biggest hypocrites in history of Republic of Poland.