News / French and Poles [146]


All of which were no doubt covered in the article I provided for you. You remember the beginning. Now compare:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England

So tell me... which sounds better? You may have a point on the last several decades alone, but your original point included the word "never".


I discourage 'normal discussion', so that's probably a good thing. I'm here to debate, instead.
BTW last I checked, wasn't Luxembourg wealthier than you guys per capita?

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


Precisely. It matters because that was the conditional for the latter half of the sentence:


The statement I'm making is that this doesn't make sense, and that I never claimed that popular support for the Gay Rights lobby could turn people gay, and am not to be expected to argue such a point as you asked me to. Sorry to disappoint.

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


No, you fool. I want you to explain to me why an entire crowd of (something like) absolutely normal people would be so intensely overjoyed at hearing that a character who is known for without question spending far more time than he logically should with a particular teenage boy is a closet homosexual. Did you really not get that until now?


This is a very common argument used frequently by very stupid people in response to anything that is contrary to the partisan 'Gay Rights' movement. You are not making yourself look exceptionally bright here.

News / French and Poles [146]


Nothing else that you've mentioned, no. Other than general, unsubstantiated and vague accusations of hatred. You may have typed a lot, but I only look for two things: point, and reasoning/factual basis.


Guess I missed a couple of commas or something. Perhaps the original sentence here should read: "about, or concerning my knowledge of, Dutch history". You have made statements about Polish history multiple times already that were quite off the mark. I have made none whatsoever concerning Dutch history.


This is your opinion and you are welcome to it. However, it is also a non-sequiter, and attacking my country's standing in the world does not actually strengthen your original point. That being: 'Poland was never tolerant towards minorities like the West'.


Take a quick look at your posts first. You mentioned 'the worst mass-murder of a people in history', and I brought up the first-ever recorded genocide to utilize biological warfare. And that one succeeded.


I have no idea what you're talking about, but I will remain convinced of my own correctness until you are able to show me why I should not be. We're on the subject of how modern-day Poland (never was and still) isn't as tolerant towards Jews as the West 'is trying to be'. Fine; show me how Poland does things differently, making her less tolerant.

News / French and Poles [146]


Vienna, Grunwald, largest state in Europe... forget it. Not even worth pursuing.


Which you can't show any better than a single event that happened post-WWII. There's a difference between opinion, and reasoning, y'know.


No I don't get your point because I never made any silly claims about or concerning my knowledge of Dutch history. Freely bring this up when I start talking out of my arse concerning the Dutch.


Native Americans? Eskimos?


Did they? Okay, list current laws passed to repress/discriminate against Jews in Poland.

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


You really don't get it, still?
Address the complete sentence first, retard. It's not that complicated. If quote-mining within a public forum where everyone can see the original post is all you can throw at me, you're an idiot, and not worth arguing with in greater detail. Didn't I tell you that I'm not here to play word games???

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

^Good job repeating the exact same points, and therefore fallacies, as MG and that other guy already did. Please address the complete sentence/paragraph, rather than chopping out part of it to suit your context.

News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

I wasn't bluffing; I'm really not playing this game of "state-and-deny". Just go be a whatever-you-are-now and feel superior and enlightened (and even unique, if you want to tell yourself that) by yourself. I'm not interested in furthering this conversation.

News / French and Poles [146]


In History? So, in Holland, a statement that can (literally) be summed up in "Well, I don't really know much about the topic, but I heard about these Poles killing some fourty Jews for no good reason once and that sounds pretty bad so yeah I think Poles must all hate Jews a lot more than everyone else does" without losing any value whatsoever counts for something?

Unless you got them in something else... like English, in which case I won't ask how much they cost you.


You perhaps summed up the circumstances of a single staged pogrom. I hope you don't believe you just summed up the circumstances of centuries of Polish history.


A) That's really funny. Give me the "most famous" names (from Poland) in each of those fields, and tell me whether or not they were Jewish. Or do you not actually know enough on the topic to do this?

B) I "skipped" no such "fact". Please address the original point, and do not answer again with laughable non-sequiters.

And here's a present for you:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_Poland

Please address.

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


I never said any such thing. However (I assume you've read the book), one must keep in mind when reading books that when an author writes something, he or she usually does not do so without forethought. So then, keep in mind: the homosexual in question in this series is the headmaster of a presumably very large (apparently even international) school, and a major political figure besides. The typical student, person, apparently even employee does not see him except on rare occasions. The main character in question, however, merely a student that he is, is called to see him regularly, and is even able to access his office at will - and is quite welcome to, to boot. I'd always assumed that this was just a plot-hole, and a tool used to make the main character appear much more significant than logic dictates that he should be. Then the author has to go ahead and introduce the possibility that there were... other reasons for this special attention the boy receives, and people are delighted???


In person? Yes.


Easy: you chopped my sentence in half and ignored the question at the front, and thus the context.


Not at all. To be honest, I don't at all mind the presence of gays, so long as I don't have to interact with them. Hell, I wish there were more of them around - the more women for me!

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


Which you could call a disease if you could show that they are not fat by choice.


Yes, let's talk Down Syndrome: people are born with it, it is genetic, and it is abnormal. Just like you say homosexuality is. Is Down Syndrome not an illness? Because if it is, you can't justify that homosexuality isn't based on these three fundamentals.


This was never my argument, but since you asked, I consider there to be a difference between 'not endorsing the lifestyle of' and 'ostracizing'.
Let me give you an example here: you've probably read the Harry Potter series. So have I. Why have I read all of them? I was in the States, and I wanted to be able to criticize them in front of fangirls (philosophical value of the books, my Polish ass!). Regardless, you'll recall, probably, the time when the author, publicly, let loose the words "Dumbledore is gay".

Now, at this point, were I there, I, like a sane, rational person, would be disgusted at the implications. I'd made (to be rude) jokes about his quite unusual relationship with and seemingly attatchment to what began as an 11-year-old boy, and still a minor throughout, but I'd always believed, in some corner of my mind, that the author would have the good sense not to publicly make them officially valid and effective.

But the crowd was of quite another sort of (hive mind) mentality, and their response...
Wild applause???

You tell me how that makes sense, and I'll start explaining to you how endorsement of things like 'Gay Pride' marches and the like can turn people gay.

News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]


And how exactly do you think they managed that? Oh well, forget it. It's obvious that all biblical support for Catholic practice would be quite lost on you, because you'd just claim that they wrote it in themselves, etc.

I've tried this before.

News / French and Poles [146]


Somehow I doubt you paid very much attention to your professors, read the documentation and literature, and gathered the informed opinions on everyone else in the world, especially given that your knowledge of the subject appears to revolve around the Kielce pogrom (which you apparently don't even know the name of, let alone the circumstances behind).

I mean, you don't even seem to register that for centuries, Jews from all around Europe flocked to live in Poland(/Lithuanian Commonwealth). And last I checked, masochism isn't part of the Jewish culture/religion, so the reason obviously isn't because they were persecuted so much harder there. That leaves option... what?


Fine. Since I have such a soft heart and you come across so disappointed, I'll toss you the bone I'm sure you were waiting for: Norman Davies. Bring it.

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


Oh, guess you're right, then. OCD has no effect on people whatsoever, and is in no way a disease or impairment.

Logical consequences of your petty attempts at word games, or complete ignorance in the field of psychology (public schooling in the States?).

News / French and Poles [146]


Actually, "well" is a relative term, so better does mean well. And I have no idea what that second part of your post's supposed to mean, consequently why I should listen to it.


Yes, I am sure about that. You are wrong in what you say for most of your post.


Sorry, can't think of any that are ex-UPA for you.

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


To have entirely missed what I said earlier in such large fashion, and continue clinging on the same straw-man defense, you must either be a fool or think myself to be one. Let me put this into a three-step logic chain for you:

A) OCD prevents people from eating with unwashed hands.
B) People with OCD have before eaten with unwashed hands.
C) By your logic, OCD is therefore not a disease, or just does not impair a person's ability to eat with unwashed hands.

Do you get it, yet?


Does OCD cause one's hands to be unable to move towards the mouth unless recently washed? Fail. Psychological disorders do not work that way.

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


Your point is the equivalent of claiming that Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder is not a disease because people with it are capable of eating with their hands and using public washrooms when absolutely necessary, or that anyone who chooses to eat with fork and knife or use soap to wash their hands has OCD.


Sharp enough that your straw-man arguments and word games don't actually work on me. You're playing the "looks invincible on the surface" game. I'm well familiar with it.


Reproducing, which homosexuality bars people from doing, is normal human behavior. We're talking biology and psychology here, not sociology.

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

Ouch.
Sorry about that, Sasha. D=

News / French and Poles [146]

No doubt? I dunno... seems that some of us were educated by UPA instructors, and others not educated at all, so it looks like doubt still exists!

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


As stated by Nash, my good sheep-man, there are often a number of solutions to any given problem. For many, the simple solution can be the best one. In this particular case, my brother and I have quite empirically proven the effectiveness of an ass-whupping in providing Instant Discipline to dorm-happy college freshmen.

Though I'll admit, if the total number of male+female > 5, it's often better just to call the cops.


How mature. Keep calling her a man, that makes you look cleverer...


Wrong. By your reasoning, somebody with paranoid schizophrenia is just imaginative and careful.


Instead, you call her a man. Very clever... you guys really do justice to your cause!

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


The f*ck you don't. Your research pool is worse than Freud's, cut the self-righteous BS. We are here discussing how the Government of Poland, and People Living In Poland treat homosexuals. The fact that you, halfway around the world from the area in question, "know" some people who may have once been in Poland/speak Polish or even just had family who once lived in Poland, makes your expertise, in this discussion, absolutely worthless. Your misadventures in the People's Republic of Los Angeles have no bearing on the topic whatsoever.

Silly Americans... get to thinking the whole damn world revolves around them.


If they're outside my window? F*ck yes! It's so much longer-lasting and more relaxing a way of dealing with that problem than calling the police. No need to talk to the snooty cop at the door about why he should go crash their party...


A point which, along with every other one of Sasha's points, you have been quite unable to coherently and intelligently address. Questioning her gender and orientation does not count. Nor does calling her a Communist.

History / Who lost WWII (besides Poland)? [42]


A valid point that is not so oft-mentioned here. We may have had to be Russia's lackey for a time, but at least we got paid, and the money was badly-needed.

Of course, that did also cause other dumb moves like refusing Marshall Aid...

News / French and Poles [146]

I'm sure that the books you read detail the extensive history of advanced tolerance towards minorities, especially Jews, that only ever appeared in Commonwealth lands that now belong to the Ukraine, so I'm not going to bother trying to "sell" anything to you, who probably believe that the numerous Jews heading to Polish lands because of aforementioned tolerance were concentrated in land that once belonged to Kievan Rus.

I'd pull the "the fact that every credible expert disagrees with you on the subject..." line, but I'm sure that your definition of "credible" is probably not quite the same as ours, or the rest of the world's.


You have read enough of books? One who makes such a statement could -always- benefit from picking up some more.

It is not a better source then books when one uses words like 'always' and 'never', in any way whatsoever. Whether or not Jews and other minorities are well-treated in Poland, I'd have to ask them, whether or not Poland has for most of her history treated them far better than the West, refer to history books, personal opinion is quite useless here.

*and even if it weren't, mine would still be worth more than yours: you may have lived here, but I still do. And the opinion of a bona-fide Polish Jew is still the absolute best source to reference.

Summary: historically, Poland has near-always treated Jews better than the French. The recent disaster that is Sarkozy does not change that fact.

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


I don't necessarily agree on the music. If it gets loud, it can get extremely irritating and obstructive to more hard-working, respectable members of society, and warrants a beating.

History / Who lost WWII (besides Poland)? [42]

No, it isn't. You can't win an earthquake because an earthquake is a one-sided event. Wars are two-sided or multiple-sided events.

News / French and Poles [146]


No, not really. Have you even ever been?


I recommend you read some history books before you go talking out your arse in public, especially in a place where a disproportionally large percent of the populace will immediately recognize you as doing so.


Lead Germany? Please do show.

News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]


Ah, but to bring up your earlier statement: we're supposed to be looking at what a reasonable person would think of the situation.
...
I guess that one doesn't help my argument much.
Though neither does the lack of apology on his part. I suppose it boils down to the context, and I can't argue that because I don't know it.


...
I almost said something to that, except that I've done it before with reasonable people and they just couldn't be reached. Topic's like gun control; existing statistics are useless. Quick question: do you believe that, in its early history, the Catholic Church edited and modified every existing copy of the Bible to fit its practices?

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


Beg your pardon?

News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]


Rather, they know each other to have common ground, and a common goal, and no particular reason for animosity between them.


Not in Poland, it isn't.


I cannot be sure of that.

Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]


This is the same everywhere.
It also would seem that we have a good deal to learn about self-expression, since certain people feel that the best way to do this is through what most sane folks consider to be ridiculous and more importanltly quite petty means such as... unusual clothing.


Because a response indignantly defending people's 'right to wear whatever they want' is not a good one to posted advice that doing so was not always a good idea if it led to increased chance of injury/death.


Neither have I, nor the reverse. I have, however, heard of it happening, particularly in San Francisco.


Certainly not losing patience. Probably an arrogant person.