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isthatu   
9 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Oh - you mean you've witnessed some Poles making the "koo koo crazy" hand sign when talking about Jews (correct me if I'm wrong). Thats what I understand the finger gesture to mean. In Oz, we use it if someone aint the full quid.

No,quite different,and btw,the Polish version of the koo koo sign is very different,its a flat handed gesture that waggles up and down at the side of the head,but god bless you for jumping to a defense.

isthatu wrote:
isthatu

greendevils.pl/jednostki_specjalne/britische_freie_korps/plakat_bfk_2. JPG

fek you arschole,BFK were a bunch of nazi thugs,half of which BTW were colonials from OZ or NZ...

As cryptic as English expression for Jews, such as kike, mock or hebe?

er,they would be yank terms,unknown by PROPER English speakers.

That's pretty much all I have to say to you and I won't respond to any more of your posts,

well,thank fek for that,it was getting really boring trying to "defend" myself from a muppet like yu,me thinks you have a guilt complex or you may just see the points I and others made....coward.

The West did not care. The British Parliament gave the Jews a minute of silence. "That's all we could do", said one of the British MPs (I have the video interview with the champion of pro-Jewish spirit in Britain. The recording is a part of "The World at War", a BBC series).

Hhm,yes,lets hear the full story,this was while europe was under nazi occupation,what the fek else do you think could have been done,a fekkin commando raid to free 6 million people,dont be an ar se,you write well but your logic is flawed to say the least.....

In 1942/43 Eden, the British Parliament, British religious circles and media were informed about the extermination of Jews from none other than a Catholic Pole - Jan Karski. Few believed him. Those who did looked the other way.

And why should they have believed him,Britain had been fed BS horrer stories all through ww1 regarding Huns bayoneting babies and raping belguin nuns,all of which turned out to be rubbish.And,I say again,what could have been done,maybe a stiff letter to herr hitler "Please mr hitler stop being nasty to the jews,or we will get really realy mad..."

Face it,for 350 years Jews have lived peacfull lives in Britain,not even counting ww2 can the same be said about Poland? Can it fek,While the British army was liberating Belsen et al your peasants were burrning Jews on a grand scale,why else do you think we have a massive Jewish population and Poland has a few thousand?

"We" may not have always got it right,Im thinking internment and the Dunera incident at the start of WW2 but at least "we" admited this as a shamefull mistake on "our" part and dont tll this day try and blame the victims for the crimes..........

I have agreed that the Spannish Jews and many others went to Poland when they were persecuted in those lands,Hundreds of years ago.

I have pointed out that the UK has been ashamed of that stance since about 1941/42 when the world fully realised the fate of europes jews...but,i think you will find the main reason was not due to their Jewishness but to thier German /Austrian nationality.

Nuts,I have posted a couple of times already in this thread about the fact that the Jews were kicked out of Britain in the middle ages.....

So darius,why do so many Jewish people fear/hate Poland? are they all Paranoid? Your logic would seem to suggest they are,and in that case ,you must be the anti semite for labeling an entire race/religion as such. In 18 years of a free Poland why havnt more Jewish people moved back if Poland is such a happy clappy tolerent place for Jews? Why do they Crowd into a tiny strip of land under katyasha fire when they would,according to you,find such a peacefull tolerent home in Poland?
isthatu   
9 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

isthatu wrote:
I cant say any come to mind but what has that got to do with anything?

Your post is evasion, pure, simple and unadulterated. It's the safe haven of pub-knowledge pundits...

Dont be daft,you asked me a question,I say nothing comes to mind and now im guilty of evasion,how stoopid is that?

southern wrote:
Russians never really used the Shermans americans

Was it true that the Russian's were afraid of them as stated on this link?

Every bug ger who had to crew a Sherman was terrified of them,they were crap,under armed,under armoured and would burst into flames with a single hit from a gerry light anti tank gun......Like all the garbage given so nobly by the USA the red army dumped it as soon as possible,boots that fell apart etc,about the only bits of kit the RKKA liked were Jeeps and Studebaker trucks.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

They know we can do it again :)

What,are you a frikkin Mujahadeen?Whats a picture of a war film poster about Afganistan got to do with anything?No,dont tell me,it was actually Polish people disguised as Pashtun warriors that beat the russians was it? :)
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Please give your view on good traits of Poland that were given by Russia and not ethnically Polish....

I cant say any come to mind but what has that got to do with anything?
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

cryptic,no,its just hard to describe a hand gesture on the internet...I'll try; Imagine a kid curling their fringe with their fingers.Its like that ,but at the side of the head imitating the curly sideburns worn by orthodox/religious Jewish men and boys.Like I say,weird and not something Ive come across anywhere but in Polish circles. Normally used in the sort of "you know they(followed by the gesture) are all the same/all in it together/rich bankers "etc etc....
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

do you mean these sentiments?

Lukasz wrote:
I have noticed that Russians like to tell Poles Ukrainians and other nations thet they are Russians ...

yes,and Ive noticed that those same nations blame their foibles on being part of Russia pre 1918,cant have it both ways.

well then,did I single out Poland?No. Im just stating an observation that nasty traits of locals are denied on grounds of being under russian occupation,any good traits from the same time are purely ethnicaly Polish/Ukrainine etc etc.Like "the irish" moaning about the british empire when infact so many irish were real movers and shakers in that same empire.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Are you now in league with Blackzilla - remember him?

er,as you well may know I spent my time blowing his rants out da water :)
But back t the whole Jewish question, Ozi, in Oz,is there an instantly recognised "sign" for a jewish person? I hazzard a guess not,I was surprised to say the least to discover one in Poland,and used by otherwise inteligent,laid back young people who had probably never met a jew.Just seemed bleedin bizzare to me.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / Advice for my Polish friend who came to the UK to work [22]

wahts grim about it?

lol,tis an old saying :)the "north" used to be the industrial heartland of,well,the world,and therfore a bit grim n smokey...

(but the weather is a bit grim tday :) )
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]

Of course that was your point. Nothing wrong with that.

oh,so your a fekkin mind reader are you????

And as for intention to stay... well apparently it's bad when Poles want to permanently settle in the UK as it affects the true identity of GB

Have I ever said anything like that,fekkin prove it or shut it!

and it's even worse when they are guest-workers as that way they are being parasites.

No,someone who expresses an open wish to come here just long enough to get what they can is acting parasiticaly,do they have any intentions of giving anything long term to this country?No,just to take what they can while the goings good.I dont blame them but that doesnt mean its not being like a wave of locusts.

You lot just can’t be pleased, can you? lol :)

what the fek do you mean "you lot" I speak for myself,no one else,though many have far stronger opinions than me.

isthatu wrote:
erm,derived from middle english,in England,granted,a combination of Friesan and old German with bits of french thrown in...

a bastard language?

hhhmmm,I suppose everyone woke up one day in the bogs of ireland all speaking Gaelic did they?

isthatu wrote:
not to act like parasites and take what they can while the going is good then scarper

like the British Empire? Oh, sorry, forgot, the white man's burden...wasn't it Kipling who wrote that, not sure?

Since when have 2 wrongs made a right,unless your a frikkin provo or orangeman....and you want to be a little carefull,a good deal of the empires most "enthusiastic" perpetrators were Irish.

Oh,BTW,proffesional Micks are really a larf,get over the frikkin potatoe famine,I did.and the highland clearences.

isthatu wrote:
there is a streak in many Poles that just cant get over the fact that Brown people dont swing from trees and make monkey noises....shamefull.

You are a bigot and a racist hiding under a rainbow banner. Nothing new really.

Bite me G'just because half the forums now rumbled you for a dirty little Alf Garnet/archie bunker type dont try and cover it up throwing wild accusations at me, It isnt Poles I dont like,its You and your gay dog.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / Advice for my Polish friend who came to the UK to work [22]

Angel,it is very unlikely that your friend will face this in the UK,you will find that most of these angry idiots are cowards that wouldnt say boo to a goose.

He may well face some little resentment from locals if he is percieved as "taking their job" but as his english is limited it shouldnt spoil his day :)

You will find that the vast majority of Brits dont care either way as long as someone is "a good bloke",sure,I wont lie to you,there is an under current of resentment regarding mass imigration to these shores but the chances of your mate having this expressed directly to him are slim. Send him "Oop North" we are still more laid back compared to those anal southeners :)
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

there's no way in the world you'd be trying to evade the issue, is there?

what frikkin issue????Trouble with these forums is there seem to be so many issues,all get jumbled up then someone spits a dummy out and someone else takes their ball home......

Russians were "Polish" citizens as welll :P so we can call them Poles but I will never do it. :P

lol,no,as I clearly(or not;) ) said,at that time they were under the russian empire so back then were classed as russian citizens,of course to now,in this day and age call them 2Russians" is just absurd ....
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

there's no need to say bad generalised things about Poland please. Thanks.

why not,Im just fitting in round here,so its fine for Poles to spout the same about just about every non Pole but when the shoes on the other foot. BTW, Generelized,have you been to Poland lately with "people of colour"? I think the rose tints may slip a little if you and when you do.

Look,there are enough chauvanist Poles on this forum to paint the rosey pictures,what seems to be lacking is much honesty about the negative sides, I state plainly in my opening posts on this thread that the UK hasnt always been the paragon of virtue and then get accused of covering up those very same bad sides I had highlighted.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

I wouldnt feel comfortable saying that Ireland "cant have it both ways" when the Irish say we aint English and a lot of our miseries were caused by the English.

keep in context mate,dont follow me to another thread for an argument :)
My point was,that paczka was saying that most of eastern europe was the "russian empire",which it was at that time,ergo,they were loosly classed as russian citizens,just as the irish might not have liked it but to the rest of the world they were British citizens.N kay?

Wave the finger of judgment somewhere else, particulalry if you have no identifiable nexus with the subject matter apart from a passing academic interest.

be interested to know whether you have actually been anywhere near Poland or eastern europe lately,or do you just have some automatic higher right from having some Polish blood?
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

T-34 was far superior than any british tank of the same period,

T34 was far superior to any british tank for many many years mate.(but remember the world winning track suspension design was nicked from our vickers tank(christie designed in the states) The germans didnt call the Sherman the "Tommy cooker" for no reason,"we" called them the Ronson,after a famous brand of cig lighters advert slogan,"one strike and it lights". And dont get me wrong,Ive used the papasha "in the field" so to speak and its a cracking,reliable tool,Iraqi insurgents still use them !(well,chi com versions mostly..).

My point was,The stereotype image of mass ranks of PPSH 41/43 armed Frontoviks is from a later period of the war,at the start only really the NKVD border Guards were armed with sub machine guns to any great degree.Most soviet divisions were purely Rifle divisions.Where as the german combat units at that time had the standard practice of section leaders being armed with MP 40s.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Why are you saying these and other similar things mate? You're starting to sound like a Big Larry/Ned - remember him?

AAARRGGHHH,I hope not:) But,I wont be hushed up or accused of anti semitism when that is plainly BS,as Im sure you can understand.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / Advice for my Polish friend who came to the UK to work [22]

yes we DO have to pay fr this scroungers english lessons

are you still here you vile little glaswegion ponce? Why dont you get pished and fall in the clyde,do us all a favour.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
Life / Racist violence in Poland [172]

its ironic how a lot of right wing polish groups follow hitler (even though hitler attempted to exterminate all of them).

no more ironic than British BNP morons who salute the swastica at their private meetings and sing Tommorow belongs to me or Panzer lied..........and then have the gall to go on about being patriots....
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

might be valid if Stalin was anything more than ia minor cavelry leader at the time.......

I have noticed that Russians like to tell Poles Ukrainians and other nations thet they are Russians ...

yes,and Ive noticed that those same nations blame their foibles on being part of Russia pre 1918,cant have it both ways.

4.Decided to remove the forces from Siberia risking in case of Japanese attack and placed them in Moscow in order to attack Wehrmacht in the best time.

Yes,he did this because about the only spy he semi trusted had confirmed the Jappanese intentions lay aginst the USA not USSR.

Seven successful actions.How did these not have to do with the victory of the allies in WW2?

They had everything to do with allied victory in WW2,sorry to say it,you guys may have been occupied by the soviets but we Brits know they won the war and smashed gitler.

Say what, where do you think Stalin bummed his planes from.

the USA gave the Red airforce a few of its crappiest Bell Aircobras,The red airforce smashed the lufftwaffe in the east flying Russian built migs and yaks...

or the assault rifle PPSH41 which were very advanced and did not have german equivalent when the war started.

actually,the papasha was very rae at the start of barbarosa,the ppd 40 was more commen and even that was rare compared to the german MP 38/40 or even the MP28s .The papasha was not "advanced" as such,just simple to make and very hardy(the drum mag was nicked from the finnish saumi).

southern wrote:
as wasthe decision to organize partizan forces by communist parties in occupied Europe.

It was the communist partizans who were the only serious resistence in western europe,france in particular,Paris fell to Red partizans,thats why De Gaulle was in such a rush to get there and seize control..
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Go hug a tree.

no,its raining,i'll get wet..
go walk into the vistula.....
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
Life / Racist violence in Poland [172]

Seanus wrote:
There's an ignorance about Asian people, it's really embarrassing.

BS. If anything the racism is first of all against blacks and Arabs.

Asian as in Indian/Pakistani I think he means. As for rascism against what Yanks call Asians,Ie Koreans ,Vietnammese etc,I didnt see it in Warsaw ,I did hear the urban myth about all the stray dogs going missing whenever a new "Chinese" takeaway place opened :)

Seanus wrote:
The knee-jerk response is to mention that it happens in other countries too

Doesn't It ?

Of course it does,the point being though,in other countries "minorities" are not quite so much extreme minorities as they are in Poland,ie a few thousand asians in a British town,one or two in a Polish town,statistics say obviously in Poland the asian is more likely to be a target with less others for the muppets to target.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
Life / Free shopping in Asda [17]

I was surprised on my last trip to the UK that Lidl not only has a discounted shelf but also has a FREE shelf! Really, I have seen it with my own eyes.

Hey,dont knock lidls free shelf :) Me and some mates eat like princess one time after spending about 50p on a loaf of bread and picking up all the free sausage and cheese :)
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
Life / Racist violence in Poland [172]

of course not,only Poles can be legitimate victims of rascism in his eyes...everyone else is just a moaning third worlder who probably asked for it........

For a quick analogy, I would say Poland ,with regards to rascism ,is about on a par with Britain in the 1970s, yes there are skinhead gangs but there are also plenty of enlightened people who will,at the most ask a few silly questions but generally not have the attitude sometimes displayed on this forum. The only problem is,in Britain,when the rascism was bad with NF attacks etc they,the fascists ,had more targets than they do at the min in Poland.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]

- English language

erm,derived from middle english,in England,granted,a combination of Friesan and old German with bits of french thrown in...

- original population that actually built the country (English and Normans)

hhmm,yes,because we all live in Norman castles dont we.....

- alphabet

- political systems

magna carta,england,the basis for all modern democracy.

Now take all the above out and what do we have left? Curry powder in place of Oxford University?

Face it,there is a streak in many Poles that just cant get over the fact that Brown people dont swing from trees and make monkey noises....shamefull.

And,not that this was my origional point but,seeing as you seem to want to force the issiue,the Sub Continent has given the UK about 99.9% more than Poland has,and most,if not all those Indians,Pakistanis and kashmiries came here with the intention of staying for good,not to act like parasites and take what they can while the going is good then scarper.
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

According to you they were always leaving Poland. Not a single Jew ever came to Poland though.

Not at all,I have agreed that the Spannish Jews and many others went to Poland when they were persecuted in those lands,Hundreds of years ago.

As a matter of fact Jews started leaving due to the more and more obvious future they faced in the light of Nazi Germany right next door.

Yes,but why were they leaving for the 60 odd years prior to the rise of the nazis?

All the "champions" of democracy and freedom let symbolic numbers of Jews in. UK certainly was not at the forefront of saving Jews during, and shortly before WW2.

Yes,and in my earlier posts I have pointed out that the UK has been ashamed of that stance since about 1941/42 when the world fully realised the fate of europes jews...but,i think you will find the main reason was not due to their Jewishness but to thier German /Austrian nationality.

Most Jews in Poland were there because either themselves, or their ancestors were persecuted in countries such as Spain, France, Germany and UK. And these are facts. You never address them or respond to them.

Nuts,I have posted a couple of times already in this thread about the fact that the Jews were kicked out of Britain in the middle ages.....

The moment you use words such as "in built bigotry" (grammatically correct should be built in, though) then you expose your own. Your hatred towards Poles does appear uncontrollable, so while it is possible to have a semblance of a civilized conversation with Kaliszer, you are certainly not a partner for discussion.

Well,Ive just realised you really are a pathetic excuse for whatever....Dont have the temerity to lecture me about grammer! and Lol,yes,of course,I have a hatred to Poles....tosser,no,as far as "hatred" goes,it would just be yourself and a few numpties on this forum.Not that I waste time on petty things like hate.

I only wonder what would have happened if 3 million Jews were living in UK instead of Poland.How would Germans avoid the temptation.

Eh? wdf?avoid temptation of what exactly?trying and failing to invade?

What the hell... ? Most of countries (including USA) in that time didn't let German Jews cross their borders and for Poland that's a bad thing that they weren't treated like royalites ?

Nope,just "we" tend to admit the fact while you guys just bang on about it "only being the nazis" blah blah...

isthatu wrote:
Ok,Ive met some really awfull,bigoted slimey rascist Poles(and I dont just mean G')

WTF ?? You want to have your stupid ass kicked you damn ****** ??

really,what needs said,a bigot and violant with it...what u going to do,set your big gay dog on me?

Assimilation of distinct nations isn't so easy as some can think .......

.
Thanks lukasz,really interesting post and gives a lot to think about.

Imagine if that was a case with Poles in Britain...
Oh wait! Poles don't have the same rights as Brits and yet anti-Polish sentiment is not hard to find in the UK.

What are you babbling on about?Dont have the same rights,Of course they do......flump.
Again,Sorry lukasz for getting a bit techy with you,my bad.
Darius,dude,you lost it......
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

becuase when Kaliszer says that Jews were living form centuries in Poland they were Nation with their language and culture and we say so and both of us dont see anyhing wrong in it ..

yes,where as for 350 they havnt HAD to live in isolated communities speaking their own language in Britain......

form this moment you dont exist in this discussion (for me)

Why,does the truth trouble you so much.......

You go ahead and pee in your pants for whatever reason you choose. Your own words clearly point to your thinly veiled anti-semitism.

OMG,really,what have you been smoking? How utterly stupid you make yourself look with this statement......

You obviously don't hold Jews in high esteem, but suggest that they were utter fools, for who else but a fool would trade a place in (Western) heaven for Polish "hell".

yep,you really are clueless arnt you buddy.....I think you'll find its more a Polish trait to blame victims....Where did I say that Jews from western europe flocked to Poland in the 20th century? Quite the opposite in fact,I stated the fact that for a hundred years at least before WW2 Jews were flocking to leave the east,as you jolly well know.Kaliszer has answered the other point you make,that many stayed because they were rooted to the land through inertia or family ties etc....please dont try to disguise your countries almost in built bigotry to anyone non "Polish" by trying to claim that someone with half a family of Jews is an anti semite,you muppet.

[quote=southern] The numbers matter.Poland sheletered 3 million Jews for centuries.

Its funny how your "noble Poland " when it suits you,anything where it doesnt and its all "we were occupied,Poland didnt exist"...... [/quote]
isthatu   
8 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]

So its okay for Asians to come here?

ShelleyS wrote:
You mention that your wife is Asian....she's not even part of the EU so has no real right to be in the UK

- A good point, ShelleyS.

Well,lets look at this;
I live in a bungelow(indian) ,I wear khaki (indian)jeans, for breakfast I sometimes eat kedgeree(indian) and occasionaly go out for a curry(kashmir) after Ive been for a curry I use the khazi(indian) when I cahnge out of my uniform I put on mufti(indian), .Im not going to labour the point(the list of indian influenced things in the UK could go on and on) but,the Indian sub continent has given Britain far more over the years than any country in mainland europe.
isthatu   
7 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Exactly what I said,the Nazis deported all Jews of Polish descent living in Germany to Poland.They were put on trains,delivered to the Polish Border ,crossed into Poland then into Camps set up in Poland by Poles where they were detained until a relative could vouch for them. Its hardly a secret .It happened just after Herschel Gryszpan shot the Nazi embasy worker.
isthatu   
7 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Besides, I don't really understand your attacks on the alleged attrocities against Jews if you yourself cannot refrain from displaying such blatant anti-semitism.

Now youve just lost it mate. I come on here and comment because of a bunch of bigoted Poles,Polish Americans and this is the best you can come up with,Im an anti semite,dont make me pee my pants with laughter....

or in some parts of English towns where English people are in miniority and as I know there are some tensions. We were miniority in our country as well.

lol,you,the native christain Poles were a minority to the Polish jews....have you been smokin the same stuff as Darius?

They flocked out of Poland? Really? Were these Polish laws they were escaping?

No,russian laws,happily carried out by Poles,egged on by men in skirts.

Not only did they stream out of Nazi Germany – they actually streamed from there into Poland.

Hardly,all Jews liviGermany of Polish desent were forcibly deported to that ,now better not call it a concentration camp,but that camp just over the pre war Polish border.
isthatu   
6 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

isthatu wrote:
every single person with a drop of jewish blood thinks the same,feels the same and has the same goals in life.

I dont think so

So why keep going on about "the jews" then?? Ok,Ive met some really awfull,bigoted slimey rascist Poles(and I dont just mean G') in my time but I try to limit my use of lazy stereotyping as much as possible and not talk about them as "the poles" but as "some poles"

XIV century

please,If your writing in English dont use that bizzare movie credits latin stuff,just write 14th.You'll baffle many Brits :)