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God Ola....it's us..EU politicians who are driving in and out to Warschau and trying to dissolve Problems...it's your Twins who always MAKE those problems.

Who show again and again they give a sh*t actually about the EU.

There is only one conclusion: You are only innit for the money...you don't care about Europe!

Take the missiles shield: The overwhelming majority of ALL europeans is strictly against this...nobody wants an arm race with Russia but good relationship.
The only support may come from the Czechs but majority of the people there is also against it. So Poland will stand alone....WHY???

WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT?

Just to spite the rest of Europe? Then why are you in the EU?

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....or blame the Germans!

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We HAVE dealt with it....even as the way things had gone are not widely supported the fact that Germans trust Russians more than Poles speaks for itself...

Do you know what most Germans think? Poles are only so aggravated and furious because they now can't no longer held up the hand and demand millions of good money just for owning the land for the pipeline...pure greed!

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How can they be good for Poland if they make your country ridiculous, when they do nothing but annoying partners they should work with together?

But...it's still democratic...it's not my choice but yours...you have to live with it!

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Don't you think your gov should be more concerned with your own politics???

Fact: Some people only wait for the Twins to break real EU law...maybe then Poland IS becoming the first country to get kicked out!

(...then no more smiles for Warschau...)

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What's wrong with my comments?

If you would take a look outside the anus of Bush you would know how the world sees you....


HEY! I'm immensely likeable! *cuddles up to Ola* :)

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He got sacked johan...and it's a while!

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He didn't break a law I think (besides being an ass)...

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johan...Schröder is no longer (for awhile now) and Chirac is gone too...you will need some new excuses!

"...Former Polish president and Nobel laureate Lech Walesa Friday said Poland's ruling Kaczynski twins have "betrayed" the ideals of the anti-communist Solidarity union and are endangering democracy in his homeland.

"They have betrayed our ideals. And not just today and yesterday. They began to betray them a few years ago," Walesa said in an interview with the Italian daily La Repubblica...."

Poland's ruling Kaczinski twins 'betray' democratic ideals: Walesa
eubusiness.com/news_live/1177668002.4

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"...The twins are now looking for excuses. They see dark, secret powers at work everywhere: old communist networks, the evil Germans. They are looking for reasons to explain why so many things cannot be fulfilled..."

spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,466540,00.html - "A Family Clan is in Power"

And aren't the Germans at hand to blame then it's the Russians....how convenient....

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I'm a German and a Western European...we all detest them!

"...Politicians in "old Europe" can barely conceal their frustration over the behavior of Poland since it entered the European Union.

Instead of swiftly adopting Western standards of democracy and tolerance, Polish politics has been filled with grating talk about religion and nationalism.

The political rise of President Lech Kaczynski and Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski has done nothing to allay these concerns. To many Europeans - and many Poles - the 57-year-old identical twins and their conservative Law and Justice Party represent a worrisome brand of retrograde politics...."

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Not officially Ola...of course not....but it's the mood of many people...just surf some news boards!

"...There is hope that Poland now might back away from its threats to block the treaty. But the damage in relations with the rest of the EU may already have been done. In addition to saying he was anxious to avoid isolation, Kaczynski also added that Poland "will not be threatened.""

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When I meet with other (mostly western european friends) on other politic boards the opinion is mostly the same:

We all are waiting for those twins to leave the political stage (as with Bush actually)...most can clearly separate the polish people from this crazy government.

Will it have consequences?
I just know that Poland is the first and only case where a sacking, a kicking out of the EU ever was/is widely contemplated!

I think even when the Kaczinsky's are gone Poles will have to work hard to show that they are not only innit for the money but are really interested on a working relationship!


Erm...it's called diplomacy!
Which alternative would you prefer?

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The Twins are backpedaling already...finding themselves isolated, shunned and laughed about...not a nice position to be in!

spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,488566,00.html - "Poland might play along after all"


He unified Germany and made it a world power!
(We are not thinking in the first place about Poles when we admire him!)


I have no idea...and if...he wouldn't be alone...:)

That I find always fascinating and also funny:

"..."One gets the impression," Gusenbauer said, "that Poland's leadership under the Kaczynski twins doesn't want to grant the Germans the success of injecting momentum into the reforms. They have harshly criticized the German (EU) presidency."...

Germanophobes at work....derailing everything german...even to the point of looking stupid and ridiculous!

Did they have forgotten that it was Germany who paved their way into the EU?
Don't they know that much of the money which will build up Poland in the coming years is german money???

But this gives hope again:

"...He also said that the Polish people were not completely behind their government. "Sixty-five percent are in favor of ratifying the treaty as it is. It is absurd: the most pro-European population has the most Euro-sceptic government."..."

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It wasn't that much anyway: Cumulative ($ millions)

Austria 488
Belgium and Luxembourg 777
Denmark 385
France 2,296
Germany 438
Greece 366
Iceland 43
Ireland 133
Italy and Trieste 1,204
Netherlands 355
Norway 372
Portugal 70
Sweden 347
Switzerland 250
Turkey 137
United Kingdom 3,297

PS: Want to compare this money to the values of the patents stolen from Germany? The scientists stolen? Ever heard of the great "patent heist"? Or Operation Paperclip?

Compared to that the Marshall plan was peanuts!

PPS: As you can see France or also GB got much more help but no "Wirtschaftswunder" for them...I wonder why...


Don`t complaint. It is Germans who stolen a lot of from Slavs

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Our old jewel Breslau got destroyed in WWII...what the Poles made of it we don't want...the same with Königsberg...it's dead and destroyed!


Schröder was a populistic nut, an embarassment!

Merkel says what she thinks is right...even as she is shmoozing with Bush she tells him also about Guantanamo and the clima catastrophe and is honest about it.

The same with Putin...even as she drinks a vodka on the Moskwa under the moonlight with him she doesn't forget to ask him about human rights and press freedom!

This woman has class!

But Schröder (as embarassing as he was) started a new development in Germany!
It was not nice and brought lot's of pain...but Germany will never again be only the servant of the US. This time is definitely over!

Partners, yes!
Friends, why not!
Allies, if it is for the right things...sure!
Master and Servant..never again!

Germany now looks more to Europe and asserts herself in a leading role than only to look over the atlantic...this development Schröder started and made sure it's irreversible!

Merkel smoothed ruffled feathers in Washington but never retracted from that way...

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Our Merkel is intelligent, polite and has style...she will still smile even when she rather wants to take a frying pan to your twins heads!

PS: A bit politeness and style would look good on your potatoe heads...not to talk about intelligence...

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My family comes from many tiny and really tiny german villages in Upper- and Lower Silesia (researched my ancestry awhile back)...but my grandparents married in Breslau...

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yeah...well....

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Not of the "Soviet Union" but rather of Russia and her people....Germans tend to have a rather romanticized view on the "russian soul" and our people and economies complement each other well.

"...Germany has a heavy industry with the size and capacity to modernize infrastructure in Russia. Russia in turn has vast natural resources which are of significant interest to the German economy...."

Like in: Germans develop the Tractors which work the vast and rich russian earth! (Figuratively spoken)


It does help that Merkel speaks russian and Putin speaks german (his kids go to a german school I've read).

That means to know about each others histories and cultures...that helps alot I think...

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Germans have had a long relationship with Russia and besides WWII it was quite fruitful for both people...Catherine the Great was German after all...

I think feelings about the Russians are more positive than negative....(the main bad stereotype is "to much vodka")

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That happens when a German tries to make a joke....:(

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Ummm....as Germany played Poland during the Football WC we all waved german flags...but else...we groan regularly about the antics of your twins and have surely some stereotypes down...but don't plan to invade anytime soon...and you?

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After reading pretty much anti-german crap before (Crow and friends) something just exploded I think....erm....:)

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I would


In the last century the "Erbfeind" was France...so I wouldn't speak of ancient hate.

I've read somewhere (sorry no link) an interesting theory:

During the Völkerwanderung territories in the east which belonged before to germanic tribes were left behind...in waves settler from the East (slavs) came and settled there...as germanic tribes came back/moved east fights ensued....borders were never clearly defined...and that plus different cultures made for uncomfortable neighborhood...

(that's very short and generalized I know but it sounds plausible)


Sorry...it was B.C....centuries before Tacitus etc...


Vikings were Germanics too...

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Strabo encountered Germanics ca. 400 B.C which makes it around 2500 years now.
And how I said those people didn't just hatch this moment but developed as a people for awhile now...it's hard to say how long but another 2000 years would be easy...

People don't start to live only when someone writes about them...and Strabo already recognized a distinct people as in rituals, behaviour, stature, believe, language etc....

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If you mean the national state then "young" is fitting I think...1871 is fairly recent.

But if you mean the people, our ethnicity, our heritage...we are several thousand years old already...

What do you mean with "young"?

Bismarck rocks!

Ja? Let me laugh with you!

"...The concept of "Germanic" as a distinct ethnic identity was hinted at by the early Greek geographer Strabo [1], who distinguished a barbarian group in northern Europe similar to North American Indians, but not part of, the Celts. Posidonius, to our knowledge, is the first to have used the name, around 80 BC, in his lost 30th book. Our knowledge of this is based on the 4th book of Athenaeus, who in ca. AD 190 quotes Posidonius as saying that "The Germani at noon serve roast meat with milk, and drink their wine undiluted".

By the 1st century A.D., the writings of Caesar, Tacitus and other Roman era writers indicate a division of Germanic-speaking peoples into tribal groupings centred on:

* the rivers Oder and Vistula (Poland) (East Germanic tribes),
* the lower Rhine river (Istvaeones),
* the river Elbe (Irminones),
* Jutland and the Danish islands (Ingvaeones).

The Sons of Mannus Istvaeones, Irminones, and Ingvaeones are collectively called West Germanic tribes. In addition, those Germanic people who remained in Scandinavia are referred to as North Germanic. These groups all developed separate dialects, the basis for the differences among Germanic languages down to the present day...."

Knowing that those people didn't just hatch this moment but developed for several centuries/millennia already you got a really old people...

Now tell me your joke!

PS: "...Strabo[1] (Greek: ; 63/64 BC - ca. AD 24) was a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher. He is mostly famous for his 17-volume work Geographica, which presented a descriptive history of people and places from different regions of the world known to his era...."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Ancient_Germanic_culture

"Did you know that Tolkien's Middle Earth is firmly based on Germanic mythology, and that theRohirrim culture as portrayed in the novel is clearly derived from theAnglo-Saxons?"

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Who do you think is respected now in the EU and who get's laughed about?

PS: I've heard that the polish potatoe heads are backpedaling with their veto on the EU constitution...all are feeling just annoyed by them...


*snicker*

Remember last summer in Germany?
Whenever you want to see national pride you just have to watch our Mannschaft! :)

PS: Americanized got only the western half...

Life / Can you think of any famous Polish personalities? [147]

For me Show Biz doesn't belong into such a list at all...not even sportsmen!

But Poets, Philosophs, Scientists, Inventors, Musicians....people who moved and changed the world and still do!

Life / Can you think of any famous Polish personalities? [147]

You are right Maty....I never heard of most of them....what a shame.....

But...isn't that the reason for building such lists? Showing off your best and most famous?
International famous that is?