Typically uneducated Brit confused by the history lessons he had at school!
I can almost count the number of history lessons I had at school on my fingers.
I had to choose Geography instead - that's why I know where Poland is.
Polish resettlement camps in Britain 1945
I can almost count the number of history lessons I had at school on my fingers.
I had to choose Geography instead - that's why I know where Poland is.
lmao, the worst thing is,if we actualy told them how much we were taught about Poland in school.....
ok,here goes; On 1st of september Poland was invaded by nazi germany,on the 3rd Britain declared war on germany..........here endeth the lesson.
(exactly how much of western history were you taught? coz Ive sat with MA graduates through a film,"They died with their boots on" about custers last stand,everyone of them wanted to know what happened at the end and hoped custer and his dashing cavelry would escape the redskins. it works both ways. When you are the country that shaped the modern world through the industrial revolution and the invention of damm near everything (apart from polonium) used to this day,railways,motor cars,telephones etc etc adnauseum you do tend to find your history lessons a little too packed to also fit in a thouragh history of ,at the time I was at school,an enemy country behind the iron curtain.
ok,here goes; On 1st of september Poland was invaded by nazi germany,on the 3rd Britain declared war on germany..........here endeth the lesson.
(exactly how much of western history were you taught? coz Ive sat with MA graduates through a film,"They died with their boots on" about custers last stand,everyone of them wanted to know what happened at the end and hoped custer and his dashing cavelry would escape the redskins. it works both ways. When you are the country that shaped the modern world through the industrial revolution and the invention of damm near everything (apart from polonium) used to this day,railways,motor cars,telephones etc etc adnauseum you do tend to find your history lessons a little too packed to also fit in a thouragh history of ,at the time I was at school,an enemy country behind the iron curtain.
Brits need to take responsibility for their actions and stop pretending history doesn't exists
Brits only? What about Rossevelt who overrode Churchill's misgiving about allowing the Russians free rein? Don't get me wrong, Britain did not support Poland well enough but for you to lay the balme entirely at our door is wrong.
And we and the Czechs were awarded with the present of communism for our gallant efforts! Brits need to take responsibility for their actions and stop pretending history doesn't exists. For Poland WW2 finished in 1989! Communism wasn't invited by us it was imposed on us!
Something like 500K Poles were fighting in the Russian Army under Stalin, thats twice as many as fought for the West, so what were Britain to do? send the Western Poles to fight against the communist Poles? who installed communism in Poland?
It wasn't the British.
Im bored with this perpetual whining about being sold out by Britain,it was Polish Communists who sold you out by getting into bed with Stalin,get over it.
I couldn't have and wouldn't even try to put it better :) Good job!
Brits need to take responsibility for their actions and stop pretending history doesn't exists.
poland needs to get the fuk over it and stop looking for excuses
I heard that If twins win once again, they will deport all the British.
oh bugger...should i start packing then...????
I wanted to be quiet, but I just cant stand this British ignorance.
istahu, RED ARMY occupied Poland comunist wouldnt have a chance to win elections without murdering together with soldiers of RED ARMY thousents of people, just after the war.
Churchil sold Poland for Stalin, Stalin who invided Poland in '39 Stalin who occupied Poland to '41 together with Hitler Stalin who murdered our oficers in Katyń and it was well know fact.
You try to pretend that Churchil could belive for Stalin that he will be ok, but there were well known facts like Katyń or '39. He just pretendet that he belived that Stalin was "ok", he pretended because it was in UK business. The same as now It was easier for Tony Blair to see "true democrat" in Putin eyes, than murderer form Cheuchenia, because it was in your business.
istahu, RED ARMY occupied Poland comunist wouldnt have a chance to win elections without murdering together with soldiers of RED ARMY thousents of people, just after the war.
Churchil sold Poland for Stalin, Stalin who invided Poland in '39 Stalin who occupied Poland to '41 together with Hitler Stalin who murdered our oficers in Katyń and it was well know fact.
You try to pretend that Churchil could belive for Stalin that he will be ok, but there were well known facts like Katyń or '39. He just pretendet that he belived that Stalin was "ok", he pretended because it was in UK business. The same as now It was easier for Tony Blair to see "true democrat" in Putin eyes, than murderer form Cheuchenia, because it was in your business.
youre a stereotype lukasz
Lukasz
You have learnt your history from the communists.
You have learnt your history from the communists.
Churchill sold Poland for Stalin
Yeh just Churchill. At that time Roosevelt was just lying on a beach in Malibu having a cocktail ot two and had nothing to do with the decision on Russian occupation. It was all the Brits fault. Read the official records of the time and then start to argue FFS
Roosevelt was worst, but it is another story
rather than trying to place blame on others lukasz, why not accept the fact that poland was completely incapable of looking after itself or having a say over its own future... it will help you move on
Ok, I can agree with statement that the best for Poland was to accept German proposal : Germans takes Gdańsk and Jews, we take part of Ukraine they take rest, and Poles are equal race, and we would be on winers side for sure ... But we had different values.
Yes I agree we have to move on , and we do it. You can look on negotiations about EU constitution (I dont like the style but all in all I like that we fight for what we want). In my opinion we should be more assertive in contacts with USA (Iraq Afghanistan)...
That is all, I just wanted to say that this part of our history ('39-'52) is bitter...
Yes I agree we have to move on , and we do it. You can look on negotiations about EU constitution (I dont like the style but all in all I like that we fight for what we want). In my opinion we should be more assertive in contacts with USA (Iraq Afghanistan)...
That is all, I just wanted to say that this part of our history ('39-'52) is bitter...
i want the best for poland as much as you do lukasz
Roosevelt was worst, but it is another story
No it isn't, it all happened in the same meeting. My father read a book by Stalin's translator about the Yalta conference. They just laughed at Churchill, they thought it ridiculous that Britain could have any influence in the world. When Poland came up US and USSR ignored Churchill's complaints. The US didn't care, the USSR wanted Poland and they got it. Nothing Churchill said mattered.
Ok, there was huge difference between Churchill and Roosevelt. Churchill wanted good (more or less) for Poland and Roosevelt just wanted to bring to light Yalta just after elections to not lost votes of Polish Americans.
What is more Churchill wanted to invade Greece instead of Italy so allied armies could be in central Europe ... Stalin and Roosevelt were against ... So Yes I agree Roosevelt was F*****
Roosevelt in Yalta (I agree) helped for Stalin, not for Churchill ...
So Roosevelt was the worst form those 3 leaders. Stalin was our enemy and he did what he wanted, Churchill was trying to help but all in all he didn't (in some cases he could really help) , Roosevelt could help, pretended to be friend but all in all cooperated with Stalin.
What is more Churchill wanted to invade Greece instead of Italy so allied armies could be in central Europe ... Stalin and Roosevelt were against ... So Yes I agree Roosevelt was F*****
Roosevelt in Yalta (I agree) helped for Stalin, not for Churchill ...
So Roosevelt was the worst form those 3 leaders. Stalin was our enemy and he did what he wanted, Churchill was trying to help but all in all he didn't (in some cases he could really help) , Roosevelt could help, pretended to be friend but all in all cooperated with Stalin.
Punish them !
Punish all ignorants irrespective of their country of origin
So Roosvelt was the worst form those 3 leaders. Stalin was our enemy and he did what he wanted, Churchill was trying to help but all in all he didnt (in some cases he could really help) , Roosvelt could help, pretended to be friend but all in all cooperated with Stalin.
One could, but not would, one should but not could, and one was... well one was Stalin. :) Oh my, this is getting to complicated for me. :)
lmao, the worst thing is,if we actualy told them how much we were taught about Poland in school.....
ok,here goes; On 1st of september Poland was invaded by nazi germany,on the 3rd Britain declared war on germany..........here endeth the lesson.
ok,here goes; On 1st of september Poland was invaded by nazi germany,on the 3rd Britain declared war on germany..........here endeth the lesson.
Actually I did expect that.
(exactly how much of western history were you taught? coz Ive sat with MA graduates through a film,"They died with their boots on" about custers last stand,everyone of them wanted to know what happened at the end and hoped custer and his dashing cavelry would escape the redskins. it works both ways.
I would say too much at times. I still don't get it why was it so important to put the war of the roses in polish curriculum... As for the US history, we are limited to learn only about the revolution war, the civil war and the 20th century period.
When you are the country that shaped the modern world through the industrial revolution and the invention of damm near everything (apart from polonium) used to this day,railways,motor cars,telephones etc etc adnauseum you do tend to find your history lessons a little too packed to also fit in a thouragh history of ,at the time I was at school,an enemy country behind the iron curtain.
That is perfectly understandable.
Oh, and you lot are all partially right and wrong in the WWII issue. But the problem is that both groups, the Poles and the Brits, have the tendency to interpret the history in a biased way, according to your liking. Threes really no hope for you people.
Matyjasz,a historian has no Nation(when wearing the "history hat" ) or he is merely a propagandist,either willing or unknowingly. Lukasz is a fine example of a "patriotic" person with an interest in history,there is a difference.
You are taught the war of the roses in Polish schools?What on earth for? It isnt even on any curriculum over here as far as I know!
On this thread,Ive said my piece as far as the whole "britain sold Poland" guff goes(without wandering off into wierd tangents of iraq and george bush...) historical record in all languages (bar russian) would show the "truth" of whats been stated by various people on here,for those who choose not to believe the recorded facts and would seem to rather take a more "ooh,the world hates us" tac that puts one more in mind of another group of people many origionaly from the same neck of the woods.
You are taught the war of the roses in Polish schools?What on earth for? It isnt even on any curriculum over here as far as I know!
On this thread,Ive said my piece as far as the whole "britain sold Poland" guff goes(without wandering off into wierd tangents of iraq and george bush...) historical record in all languages (bar russian) would show the "truth" of whats been stated by various people on here,for those who choose not to believe the recorded facts and would seem to rather take a more "ooh,the world hates us" tac that puts one more in mind of another group of people many origionaly from the same neck of the woods.
Poland needs to get the fuk over it and stop looking for excuses
You need to face the reality of the historical facts!
i live in the present and look forward to the future
if you want to dwell in the past mate good luck to you
if you want to dwell in the past mate good luck to you
I don't dwell in the past mate! History has always shaped modern day reality and there are some members of the forum that, through their education, can understand the critical moment we have arrived at in Polish history. A moment that will decide what kind of Europe are children will grow up in and what values will prevail.
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After WW2 certain decisions were taken that destroyed the lives of millions of Europeans! This needs to be addressed and before Europe can truely move forward.
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After WW2 certain decisions were taken that destroyed the lives of millions of Europeans! This needs to be addressed and before Europe can truely move forward.
looking back over the thread the general concensus seems to be that
a. youre a bit of a twat
b. its people like you who are holding back the development of poland
c. no one actually gives a fuk... except you and a couple of other weirdos
a. youre a bit of a twat
b. its people like you who are holding back the development of poland
c. no one actually gives a fuk... except you and a couple of other weirdos
Twenty years from now you will be saying similar things to the people of Iraq or Afghanistan! Forget what happened! Stop living in the past! Victim mentality! etc etc
It doesn't work like that mate! People have to be held responsible for their actions!
It doesn't work like that mate! People have to be held responsible for their actions!
yeah... whatever
History has always shaped modern day reality
Let the future shape the present.
yeah... whatever
Is it too difficult to discuss BubbaWoo!
yeah... whatever
Let's try a different topic! Do you like Polish icecream?
Let the future shape the present.
The past , present and future are all connected.
it doesnt have to be that complicated - dont dwell on it - forgive, forget and move on
poland has had its development arrested for long enough - as osiol says, let the future shape the present and leave the past where it belongs
i have had some very good ice cream in poland
and it always makes me laugh to see a grown man eating his lody like a woman eating a c*ck
poland has had its development arrested for long enough - as osiol says, let the future shape the present and leave the past where it belongs
i have had some very good ice cream in poland
and it always makes me laugh to see a grown man eating his lody like a woman eating a c*ck