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Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc


niejestemcapita 2 | 561  
18 Jan 2009 /  #31
I would smack you one.

he might enjoy it......;)
sjam 2 | 541  
19 Jan 2009 /  #32
lebensraum. That was the plan. The plan was to kill everyone in Poland

Not so. I think even you will accept that Lebensraum was actually the overarching title for the Nazi German policy of colonisation of new (conquered) territories in the east (Poland but more specifically the USSR) and by colonisation Lebensraum meant the establishment of peasant farms by the German occupiers. It has nothing at all to do with extermination the Poles per se. Poles, Slavs and Russians —the untermenschen—were to be the slave workforce of the Germans just as Africans were to the old colonial empires of Europe. The several millions of Polish forced workers deported to the Reich during the war would support view this also, as is the fact that Poles were not exterminated in death camps en masse as a matter of policy. One could argue that extermination through work was a similar policy as extermination by gassing or shooting as they had the same end result but this was more to do with the gaining the absolute maximum productive activity from a human with the least cost to support that worker. A simple cost versus benefit accounting exercise in Nazi thinking.

Every people has a stereotype. They didn't get those because they are the exact opposite or not true..

I disagree. Sterotypes and prejudices derive from the ways in which perceived cultural differences are socially constructed in an exaggerated and simplistic form with the aim of exclusion and ridicule.....a self defence mechansim for those with inferiority complex whether as individuals or as a nation.

Who was it that said something along the lines if you tell a lie often enough it becomes a truth?
That is how stereotypes work!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712  
19 Jan 2009 /  #33
I disagree. Sterotypes and prejudices derive from the ways in which perceived cultural differences are socially constructed in an exaggerated and simplistic form with the aim of exclusion and ridicule.....a self defence mechansim for those with inferiority complex whether as individuals or as a nation

Nope...stereotypes developed over long periods of times between many peoples. Of course they generalize percieved differences. But all have them. There is nothing wrong with it...

Was the aim to exclude and to ridicule? Not always...there are positive and negative stereotypes but all have a core of truth to them!

Who was it that said something along the lines if you tell a lie often enough it becomes a truth?
That is how stereotypes work!

Who would have be the one telling the "lie" often enough? That might be true in today's globalized internet world that someone might be successfull with a slandering or PR campaign but the stereotypes we speak about developed over centuries...

I for example know the stereotypes about Germans, we have positive and negative ones and both are not that far off the truth!
sjam 2 | 541  
19 Jan 2009 /  #34
That might be true in today's globalized internet world that someone might be successfull with a slandering or PR campaign but the stereotypes we speak about developed over centuries...

As well you must be aware the image you linked too is merely a modern interpretation of a stereotype image of a "money grabbing hook nosed Jew" that has been used in anti-semitic propaganda going back over centuries even by the Catholic church. It is not a modern phenomenon as you make out. This stereotype image of "a typical Jew" was at the centre Nazi propaganda well before the internet.

I think if you were honest you would acknowledge that the reason you chose to use this type of image to link too was not as illustration for some kind of a good luck charm for financial success as you imply but to promote a facile anti-semitic message. That is where I see the truth of it—period. We can agree to disagree.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712  
19 Jan 2009 /  #35
As well you must be aware the image you linked too...

I didn't post an image!

It is not a modern phenomenon as you make out.

And that was my point in this discussion!
Stereotypes aren't modern phenomenons but developed over centuries.
You can dismiss them as you want but there is always a core of truth to them...
sjam 2 | 541  
19 Jan 2009 /  #36
I didn't post an image!

Profound apologies for this error my comments should be directed at Grzegorz_: mm.pl/~januszbrus/allegro/36flis_zyd1.jpg and I unreservedly retract them as pointing to yourself.
yehudi 1 | 433  
19 Jan 2009 /  #38
I'm a jew. I'm not rich. I've got no head for business either. Maybe you're right and I'm just a Khazar after all.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
20 Jan 2009 /  #39
Really? In my opinion this just plays into the hands of the many that believe another archetypeal stereotype— that all Poles are anit-Semitic.

I don't see anything wrong in keeping paintings with Jews for good luck... and If somebody is really desperately looking for "Polish anti-semitism", he will "find" It no matter what we do.
sjam 2 | 541  
20 Jan 2009 /  #40
It no matter what we do.

So why add fuel to the fire?
marycha - | 7  
30 Jan 2009 /  #41
Russia is a different case - many of the richest people in Russia are of Jew origin and generally they just stole ex-state owned assets but they aren't rather treated like "one of their own" by other Jews, so I don't think that their money should be included in the global Jew wealth.

Why???

There are Jews , bandits but Jews. Similar to Israel and most of Israel's population - there are Jews and criminals who execute Palestinian holocaust. Why do you avoid when talking of something negative in relation to Jews - using name Jews??
celinski 31 | 1,258  
30 Jan 2009 /  #42
Why do you avoid when talking of something negative in relation to Jews - using name Jews??

Because this is how they refer to themselves. I would be happy if they ID'ed what section of Jewish faith each was referring to.

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