Soviet war monuments in Poland - what to do about them?

At the beginning of 2007 it was 6,3% (Russia in whole)

Rubbish comparison. You cannot compare a city to a country. A particular city can be booming for various reasons that doesn't mean a country is.


Less than 5% That is not hugely more than Moscow. um.warszawa.pl/wydarzenia/weekend/index.php?p=5&ps=4&lang=en - City of Warsaw official website

Poland is 14,4% as of April 2007 - The Warsaw voice

The black economy in Russia something about 25 %. And wages are black on the same 25%. Ofitially my salary is about....hemmm, very little, but unofitially, much, much higher.

So, we have a pretty good reserve for economy growth.

14.4% with 1.000.000 immigrants only to UK in the last two years.How high would it be without immigration or if UK takes measures like what it did for Bulgaria?

You are not familiar with FSU countries.Situation in capital cities is very important,it works as barometer.Province is totally different than in the West and has another role.

The capital drains the province and gains power to control.People have nothing against that.

Thanks. I stand corrected (and also to Southern for correcting me). That has come down a lot since the 1990s.


So you can come and buy up the rest of Chelsea and Mayfair heh?
(only joking)


It's estimated to be be between 750,000 & 800,000 since accession.

Could all be very true for all I know, but can't compare unemployment of a huge capital to that of another country. You can compare 2 capitals, that makes more sense.

Hemm, may be FC "Polonia" would be better?

Just joke too

And much of the economic improvement in Poland is due to loans from EU in return of other benefits while the russians managed to pay their foreign debt completely and now they have a positive export-import budget.They manage to sell weapons,nuclear technology,satellite technology which they develop using funds from raw materials purchase.What does Poland produce?Most of itd products aimed for soviet market,thus they wre of lower quality,could not compete the western ones,that is why many factories closed and high unemployment arised.In my opinion the perspective to immigration is not a satisfactory policy to achieve some kind of balance inside EU.

If there were not this immigration,protests against EU in Poland would have been bigger.

southern leran something before you comment. Unemployment in Poland is result of a baby boom from late 70's, eraly 80's. In last 10 years 2 million more people joined the labor market than retired. Without that we would have to already import large number of immigrants. And EU aid for Poland really begins in this year. So far It has been symbolic. Russia is a country with the biggest share of nutural resources in the world, while Poland has to import most of them. And GDP growth rate in Poland and Russia is similar.

Warsaw city getting on importance, that’s for sure.

I won’t complaint if in future Slavic Union, Warsaw become Capitol city. That would be natural considering that Polish nobility from period of `Sarmatian schlachta` represented last remain of ruling establishment of once united Slavdom- with that, last core of Sarmatia Europae and Sarmatia Asiatica.

Also, Serbs of Upper and Lower Lusatia point on Warsaw (and sometimes on Prague- on internet forums where Lusatian, Molise and Balkan Serbs communicate between each others) as future Capitol city of possible Slavic Union. If they wish that, then we can say that all Serbs of Slavdom reached consensus on this. So, we- Balkan Serbs would use all our influence on Russians that they also accept that. Russians are brothers and they would respond positively, I am sure. Rivalry between Russia and Poland weakened complete Slavic world. It must end, we have a lot of to do- together.

Warsaw, Capitol of Democratic Slavic Union- that sounds good to me.

Was not Warsaw the head of Warsaw Pact?And Comecon?Slavdom has a background in history after all.

Grzegorz can you tell what was the unemployment in 1992 and in 1995?In 1998 and 2002?How many jobs were in 1990 and how many in 2002?How many people lost their job?

IMO the fact that you answered in a humorous manner derives from lack of serious arguments.

It's obvious that Russians have strong cultural bias toward cruel, autoritharian rule - do you wish to imply that it's not true?


What influence exactly? These people make lots of good declarations, but in the end they don't really care if somebody is Slavic and/or Orthodox - look at Polish-Russian relations or the Russian-Georgian relations.


Sorry, but you have no idea about history. The problem was not "rivalry", but simply the Mongol invasion and occupation of Russia and the subsequent forming of the new Russian political tradition on Asian (ergo: non-Slavic) basis.

Basicly the present (post-Mongol) Russia is only partially Slavic when it comes to culture.

M.

The problem is that now czechs do not describe themslves as Slavs,they regard themselves to be central european,the ukrainians think that they are the real russians and the russians are Tatar's mix with Slavs,and the Poles never liked pan-slavism,they want to belong to the west.

Bulgaria has already accepted NATO bases on its ground,the name bulgar means mix anyway.
So it remains only Serbia as the base of Slav oriented dreams.And Russia which never forgets useful tools.

In 98 something like 10%, in 2002 20%.

Uh, uh, you exaggerate man.

Anyway, Slavdom is in deep sh**, that's fact. I'm aware of it.

But dream about Slavia still live.

Calm down...

In four years it rose by 100%.And from 12.000.000 jobs in 1990 only 9.500.000 had remained in 2002.So it was not only the baby boom.
Crow do you know any political party in CR or Poland in favor of Slavdom?

I dont even think you have to be human to get a uk citizenship let alone speak English lol

Of course not. Commi economy was simply very ineffective, so in early 90's in short time It rose from 0% to about 15%, next down to about 10% and later in result to demographic changes rose to about 20%.

Then read this.Article by two proffesors one in Warsaw school of economics and one in institut of public affairs.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/2002/10/feature/pl0210110f.html

So ? That's almost exactly what I wrote.

Crow: look at the Slovaks who are accusing the Estonians of being fascists. They themselves are the same people who glorify the wartime Slovak fascist state and want to rehabilitate its president, father Jozef Tiso, hanged as a war criminal in 1947. They take the prize for chutzpah!

Even Russia is a multi-ethnic country which is quite understandable considering the vast Siberia and its indigenious peoples. What makes you think even more multi-ethnic Slavia would be more Slavic. Let everyone choose their own way. On comparison there isn't Germanic Peoples Union because the Dutch,Danish, Swedish etc. all want to choose their own way. Panslavism isn't a solution to anti-Slavism which existence I do admit.

Modern Panslavism is just one form of fight for rights of Slavs. If Slavic OTPOR become reality it will still be just political movement.

I belong to people who would suggest that we do even more than that. I suggest ultimate respon on situation and that is unity of Slavs thru democraticaly organized state- preferable confederation or some form of federation.

Democratic Federation yes but what about the non-Slavic minorities living in Slavia ? Could they survive in this federation with their own languages and cultures ?

There is not exactly anti-Slavism.There are russophobes.

Anti-Slavisim, I find that hilarious.

Half the world has no concept or understanding of the term Slavic. I'm afraid Slavisim is really only common among the slavic people themselves.

Among the commonmen of society:
Ask a new yorker where Poland is - he will say Russia.
Ask a nigerian where Belarus is - he will say Russia.
Ask a chinese man where Ukraine is - he will say Russia.
Ask an irish or british person where Georgia is - they will point to the US.

Only the general population in Central Europe can distinguish and the well educated in other countries.

The fact is that the vast majority of the world's people know very little about the former USSR's satellite states and what little they know about the USSR they learned from ROCKY IV and RED HEAT or THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.

This area of the world was isolated for a very long time, longer than the memories of a lot of elderly people.

Latter 20th Century Eastern Europe is a black hole in history due to communisim and only now are people starting to piece the puzzle together.

I for one knew nothing about Poland other than WW2 before the Poles came over here, and I certainly couldn't distinguish between Russian and Polish.

I even thought Poles used cyrillic.

Anti-semite is credible because they were a far flung people, highly visible.
How can you be anti-slavic if you don't even understand what it is?

Grzegorz the article says that 3 million jobs in Poland were lost.You wrote that no job was lost but there was baby boom,that is more people for the same number of jobs.These are two totally different things.Were jobs lost?Yes.Baby boom had not to do with that.

dannyboy.. You confusing yourself with two terms -`Anti-Slavisim` and `anti-Slavic`.

Listen, Anti-Slavisim can be understood as institutionally approved minimization/humiliation of Slavs. On the base of actions of some governments (German- for example). We can say that Germany deeply interfere in inter Slavic relations, even inter- Serbian (to waeken cohesive forces of nation) relations etc, on behalf of selfish German interests. Then, we very well know how Hollywood like to present Slavs in movies (I don’t want even to comment). Or, I can remind you on Hitler’s `My Kampf` where he `explained` that- `Slavs are sub-people`.

We can elaborate this problem from many angles but, we already can say that on so called West exists institutional anti-Slavism, from time when Slavs were conquered and were used as object of slavery from Roman/Teuton invaders.

On the other side, anti-Slavic behavior can be understood as behavior which as its consequence has humiliation of Slavs but on micro level. For example, when one start to use Poles as object of jokes, no matter that he even maybe don`t know nothing about Poles.

We also, immediately can say tat anti-Slavic behavior exist.

Anti-Semitism on so called West (particularly in Western Europe) is false because fundaments of societies in non-Slavic Europe are in Semitic ideological constructions, not in native European heritage. Slavs are last people in the world, loyal to native European culture (languages, etc) but saying that I don’t want to say that those who abandoned native European heritage (because of pressure from Semitic intruders) are less worth. No, I just say that for the sake of truth. Also, I have nothing against Semitics but, hire we speak about their role in one specific situation.

Anti-Semitism is false on so called West but, anti-Slavism and anti-Slavic behavior are essential parts of people’s way of thinking and functioning of institutions. That is encouraged by governments which are in constant state of `drang nach osten` (on alert!). It is because of constant needs for large amounts of population and resources- population (Slavic!) which need to be assimilated and resources (Slavic! Not only Russian!) which need to be taken by force or by abnormal expansion of ideological constructions.

Where did I write that ? Go back to my #121. In commies times there were 0% unemployment rate, which obviosly was fake, because many of those people were hardly doing anything and were employed only because commies wanted to show that there's no unemployment unlike in the "greedy west", so obviosly in early 90's during transformation to free market economy many people lost their jobs, but in 98 It went down to 10%, in 2002 to was already 20% despite we had GDP growth all the time (not very impressive then, but still...) and that's because people born in late 70's and early 80's were joining the labor market. If you don't agree with me, so what was the reason in your opinion ?