Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

I have changed my post ... I shouldnt show cards of my gov ;) ... (as I said before)

Poland wasn't in USSR back in 1940-ies, so fail! In that case Stalin did not kill his own people.


Again, from Polish point of view Soviets killed polish nationalists. From Soviet point of view - they liberated Polish communists from evil occupants, so it makes sence - for both parties.

Correction Stalin killed Russians so yeah he did kill his own people, wasn't talking about Poland.

Yes from the point of the 30 communists that existed in Poland. That's like saying Hitler was trying to liberate Poland because of that 1 Nazi living in Krakow. Good Point lol

Are you kidding Stalin ate his people for breakfast. This was started before 1939.


Say what, Stalin lied and said he was helping set up a free Poland. "Evil occupier" was none other than "Stalin" himself.

Matthias celinski can you read english? Did I say exUSSR citizens see communist ruls as liberation? No, I said they see 1930-ies events in Poland as liberation.


Again, as I said - it is you personal Polish view on that and I did not deny that you might have it :-/

God, why do people read the sentences backwards?

Paczka maybe you should improve your writing skills. What the hell are you talking about. Say it one more time a little more clearly.

I cannot imagine his aperitif.

This artical gives food for thought on some things Russia can do.

"They are the pride of the nation," the President said of the disappeared. "We still remember this tragedy. We need to do a great deal to ensure that this is never forgotten."

Yes, we do. Build a big central memorial to them, this lost nation of ghosts. Dig up Stalin and bury him in an unknown pauper's grave. Crush the Stalin cult of rehabilitation- run endless documentaries about the truth of the Gulag. Bury Lenin- this macabre waxwork founding father of a deadly experiment. And let's have some trials, finally, after all these years. Slay some monsters for the victims, Mr. Putin- you know better than anyone who they are.

The true enemies of Russia aren't America or England, Estonia or Georgia, Ukraine or Poland. Russia isn't the backward nation of yesteryear- it is a military, financial, and resource superpower. Though Russia has suffered horribly from invaders, equally bad have been the enemies from within, and until it learns to resist their enticements, it is condemned to repeat the past.

hammernews.com/monsters.htm

Right, here I go again. People from what used to be USSR see the entering of Soviet forces in to Poland as a liberation. Polish and the West see it as occupation. Hope it is clear enough.

too simplistic....the initial phase was liberation,that is,kiking the gitlerittes all the way back to the lair of the fascist beast etc,trouble is,staying on in Poland for 60 odd years is kinda occupation......and before you say it,yes,the west had forces based in Germany for the same length of time but "we" didnt impose our poitical will or ideolagies on those liberated countries(actually,wait,yes we did,france,a inch away from communisim,gets de gaulle as a dictator....ah well,such is life...)

Erm...yes..."you" did!

I doubt that without the occupation that neither liberal democracy would had had a chance in western Germany nor socialism in eastern Germany.....

K paszka I understand what ur saying, who do they think the USSR was liberating in Poland. if they think polish communists that's dumb because there were barely any. that's like saying Nazi Germany was trying to liberate because of the 10 Polish Nazis in Poland. that's not liberation if they think that that's dumb no way you look at it. I can offer a more detailed example if need be.

Lets bleed them to death. Lets start new civil war in Russia! I think thatmany people in Poland would be very happy, but remember that they will be its first victims.

Without a Trotsky how will it be won?

We have alot of such talents, it is so pitty that they werent totally destroed previusly

I see here Stalin's logic of destruction of the enemy.

I suppose that it is not his logic, it's our heritage from out ancestor, DESTROY YOUR ENEMY AND GAIN HIS WOMAN

are you talking about your mongolian origin ?

No, I talk about our common ape's origin....BTW, do you have something against Mongolians? Are you racist?

no I am not but I have read whole discussions on this forum about Polish-Russian relationship (from the begining) and I remember some of your posts ...

as to me I don't understand why today you are so self confident ... Geraly Russia have made several concessions for free (warm words) or for promises ;) Do you remeber your opinions about embargo on Poland or Polish veto on Russia ? Russia even don't protest against US shield ;)

My opinion is simple. We have a right to buy or not as the right to sell or not production. So if you want to sell your production on the russian market you should be polite and MUST obey all Russian demands, if not, come on there are alot of another states.

If your press will stop to yap on Russia, our relations will be very nice

Why a war, Russia's live in denial, this need not be a war. Sooner or later the truth we have to be dealt with, not everything can be solved with fighting.

ONE of Russia's most popular television shows is "Wait For Me", a true-life tear-jerker that finds and reunites separated couples and families. Sometimes the stories it tells are run-of-the-mill melodramas that could have happened anywhere. But often they are tragically Russian, combining huge distances, lavish and indiscriminate cruelty and impenetrable bureaucracy: siblings separated 70 years ago when their parents were executed; lovers who lost one another in prison camps.


This could not be further from the "truth". Instead of dealing with this "truth", you try to fight the victims from speaking out. This no longer will work.

He writes of the "genetic fear" that percolates through generations, and the need to believe in bad rulers because the alternative, believing in nothing, could be worse. "Either they were guilty", Simonov says of Stalin's victims, "or it was impossible to understand." The terror, Mr Figes notes, "tore apart the moral ties that hold together a society." It is still recovering.

economist.com/books/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9982824

Russia has never ceased in its 500 years existence to cause terror to the West.

Terror is not the right word here southern. Terror has been part of their repertoire but not for 500 years non-stop

I mean that the West gets mad when Russia appears.Their mentality is incompatible with western values.Westerners get sick only thinking about that.

Not terror but an air of I am Russia and this gives me a right to treat others as less than us.


This is no longer an option, as you can see, yapping on Russia is coming from Poles in the other nations, demanding respect for Poland and her children from countries Stalin sent them to.

Respect means, accountability, responsability for past abuse of of Polish family's on the orders of Stalin.

It has to do with the disrespect towards middle class which Russians display,their fond of elites,the extreme way of life,it is very complicated if you live it you understand them.

It is just because west deserve it

What are you on ConstantineK?

Why do you segregate "middle class" , do we not all try to achive a better life reguardless of class?


LOL, you are a burst of sunshine, you do not terrorize the west.