Return PolishForums LIVE
  PolishForums Archive :
Archives - 2005-2009 / History  % width 67

The Jewish King Of Poland


OP ski 7 | 140  
5 Jul 2008 /  #31
what is your opinion about him ?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Jul 2008 /  #32
Haven't u heard? It was a sham, they got proper translators in to prove that he said no such thing. Is ur Farsi good enough to prove that he said that? 100% unequivocally?
OP ski 7 | 140  
5 Jul 2008 /  #33
what do you think about him ?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Jul 2008 /  #34
There may be an element of deception in him but he has always come across as a man who can back up what he says and is aware of his treaty obligations. He is not the rogue Western nations say he is.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
5 Jul 2008 /  #35
He is not the rogue Western nations say he is.

Here here. Hes a man who looks like a cheep carpet salesman but,he's navigated the fine line between reform and the Mullahs and come across quite well,certainly far more mature than a lot of "western" politicians.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
5 Jul 2008 /  #36
is not the rogue Western nations say he is.

What kind of rogue is he then?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Jul 2008 /  #37
Cheap carpet salesman, hehehe. If u look at the Iranian regime, it is highly democratic for the most part but, as u said, there are many bumps along that road and towing that line is gonna be fraught with pitfalls.

He is losing popularity inside Iran but, then again, u have to ask why. Just 3 years ago, he was the best thing since sliced bread. Now, without invading another country or madly pursuing oil, he has waned in popularity.

Everyone can be afforded a slip or two. Not long ago, I found out that it was none other than Bernard Kouchner who launched a verbal assault on Iran. I had respect for that man but then he went and jumped on the 'Iran is evil' bandwagon. Mr Ahmajinehad is not infallible but he is hard to refute in argument.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
5 Jul 2008 /  #38
They are conducting a battle against followers of the Baha'ai faith. People are refused education, get imprisoned and so on, and accused of being part of some sort of Zionist conspiriacy, which they are not.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Jul 2008 /  #39
He has his bad points, I'll concede that. I'm not his spokesman.

Unlike Bush, he hasn't invaded another country
OP ski 7 | 140  
5 Jul 2008 /  #40
Is that popular point of view in the UK ?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
5 Jul 2008 /  #41
Is what the commen view?
You see,S' ,O' and myself are all children of the UK,all with different views....sorry,we are not a homogenous mass.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Jul 2008 /  #42
We value independent thought, gleaned from a wide variety of sources and not just an institution like, for example, the Catholic church.

This is true education, to keep an open mind and look for a source that refutes ur contention. Isthatu or Osioł may come up with sth that I hadn't considered and thus I look at the validity of what they are saying.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
5 Jul 2008 /  #43
People do want to paint various people simple, easy-to-understand colours, to put them in easily sorted boxes, but most (or perhaps just many) people know that things are never as simple as they are portrayed. That goes for Iran (there are many forward-thinking people as well as many conservative backward-looking people). It also goes for Poland and Jewish people. If you try to make it look simple, there are plenty of us that know that nothing is simple.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Jul 2008 /  #44
'But they'll never put me in their bag'. A quote from which song Osioł?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
5 Jul 2008 /  #45
never put me in their bag'

It's off one of Syd Barrett's solo albums. The Madcap Laughs. It it Octopus?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Jul 2008 /  #46
It certainly is, well done.
OP ski 7 | 140  
5 Jul 2008 /  #47
Seanus banking system doesn't work as you think. Maybe you should change your sources, Catholic Church in your case isn't worst option. :> much better choice than president of Iran. *smile*

Going back to main subject of this discussion

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polin

I totally agree with Osiol
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
5 Jul 2008 /  #48
Catholic Church in your case isn't worst option. :> much better choice than president of Iran. *smile*

HHHmmm lets see,historicaly which group has murdered more people,persians or papists? Loving the churches banking,nothing dodgy going on there is there **cough Roberto calvi cough**
OP ski 7 | 140  
5 Jul 2008 /  #49
What kind of discussion are you trying to provoke ? I have interesting article form Polish newspaper with interview with rabbe descendant of legendary King of Poland. You have translators you can check what he says, very interesting lecture.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
6 Jul 2008 /  #50
U r on a slippery slope ski, were u piste (sic) when u posted it?
southern 75 | 7,096  
6 Jul 2008 /  #51
Was there a palestinian king of Poland as well?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
6 Jul 2008 /  #52
He was denied residence or any settlement here
southern 75 | 7,096  
6 Jul 2008 /  #53
I think he had no descendants for the throne cause all of them exploded.
But they reserved all the paradise virgins for the next 100 years.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
6 Jul 2008 /  #54
Magnats were stronger in 1500s or 1700s ?

They gained more rights from the king, so one could say that this was step towards democracy.

When was the first time when veto was used in way that parlament couldn't continue it's work ? :)

1652With time foreign states discovered this possibility to sabotage Polish parliament works.

Why ? :) because it abolished liberum veto ?

No, because nobleman without land (szlachta golota) could not vote anymore.
OP ski 7 | 140  
6 Jul 2008 /  #55
upr.org.pl/main/index.php

It is from your profile. I am not surprised you try to prove that democracy isn't good system when your far right-wing political fraction is famous form strange views on different issues. Showing the best Polish achievements in strange light proving that democracy is mistake (yes I know that you don't like democracy).

You know what, just watch what Kazimera Szczuka (Jewish roots) have to say about people like you ;) You will see Poland is going to be the most liberal country in europe :) like it was in 1500s.



Seanus 15 | 19,706  
6 Jul 2008 /  #56
Bing, out pops the cuckoo and it's not even on the hour.

More liberal than Holland, who r u trying 2 kid?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
6 Jul 2008 /  #57
I am not surprised you try to prove that democracy isn't good system when your far right-wing political fraction is famous form strange views on different issues. Showing the best Polish achievments in strange light proving that democracy is mistake (yes I know that you don't like democracy).

You disappoint myself. In this thread I just showed your misinterpretation of Polish history. You don't argue with my statements, because these are just historic facts. If you want to talk about democracy itself then open new thread. I did not make any analyzes of political systems in this topic.

Also unlike you, I don't care who has Jewish roots, so you don't need to empathize this when you discuss with me.
OP ski 7 | 140  
6 Jul 2008 /  #58
More liberal than Holland, who r u trying 2 kid?

It depends what do you mean by liberal.

You disappoint myself. In this thread I just showed your misinterpretation of Polish history. You don't argue with my statements, because these are just historic facts. If you want to talk about democracy itself then open new thread. I did not make any analyzes of political systems in this topic.

Being concious that your views are not well known in Poland :) I dodged form debate about system. If you want we can make new thread and dicscusse it there. In my opinion in frist half of 1700's we were close to something much different than democracy. 3rd may consitution was step in democratic direction. When we look on futher plans of it's authors we are sure what they wanted to do after abolishing veto.

Do you

Also unlike you, I don't care who has Jewish roots, so you don't need to empathize this when you discuss with me.

Why not ? It is thread about Jew.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
6 Jul 2008 /  #59
3rd may consitution was step in democratic direction. When we look on futher plans of it's authors we are sure what they wanted to do after abolishing veto.

Sorry but you are in historic denial. OK, let analyze this case step by step.

1. Nobleman whom were not landowners were stripped the right to vote. Yes or not?

2. Nobody gained the right to vote instead. Yes or not?

Thus in general much less people had the right to vote.

Additionally king gained some additional competences. Read this constitution, it is short and available online.

As far as "liberum veto" is concentrated... This law was to the same extend anti-democratic and anti-monarchical. It was simply stupid, because completely unpractical. So, by abolishing veto our country moved towards democracy and monarchy to the same extend. However as I mentioned earlier other paragraphs of this constitution reduced democracy.

With which part of this short analyze do you disagree and why?

Why not ? It is thread about Jew.

About Szczuka? If somebody would start to write about Jewish bolhevicks, I suppose you would not be very glad.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
6 Jul 2008 /  #60
Kazimera Szczuka (Jewish roots)

LOL ! Amazing that this total moran laughs at other people. This worthless imitation of a woman would starve If was a Goy.

Archives - 2005-2009 / History / The Jewish King Of PolandArchived