Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland?

right..:)

being interested in history and approving it are two different things...

This center doesn't "approves" of it either...it's for information and against forgetting!

The next centre built should be dedicated to the German Nation as a whole. I would call it: The plight of Germans – Jewish Reparations and Restitutions Centre.

I mean – the billions of dollars given to the Jews over the years must have had some kind of effect on the German populace – its due time to recognize such financial suffering and build a memorial dedicated to all the money lost.

well...
doesn't that show that there are not sooo many people interested in that part of history??

do you think air atacks on Germany were genocide ?

Sure...this Holocaust museum in Berlin was also just build because nobody is really interested in the Holocaust!
Say...falkster...where did you get this kind of logic and can I have some??? :)


Nope...
A war crime yes...but not a genocide.


Yeah...well...we managed inspite of all this paying.
I mean we even pay right now millions for other EU countries (also Poland) and still we manage somehow....
You are right, that is definitely worthy of a monument! :)

it's called education...

the fact nazis killed millions of jews amongst others during the third reich is widely accepted as having been wrong amongst germans... no controversy here, right?

edit:


okay... now it's getting ridiculous.

i'm out of here... at least for today...

No...falkster...you are definitely not suffering from to much education or we wouldn't have this discussion right now!

There is also not a controversy about the Expellation at all...IT HAPPENED....more than 12 Million victims are proof of that!
People you don't care about!


What's ridiculous? Tell me oh you wise one...
Where do you think a big chunk of all this support money Poland is getting comes from?
Germany is the biggest net-contributor in the EU...

sure it happened. i know the facts too. question is though WHY they did get expelled in the first place? whose land it was originally and how they got it...

why do you constantly ignore that this coin has two sides too?

So...Danzig was a polish town? Full with Poles???

only in part of our history it was called Danzig, originaly name is Gdańsk and now it is Gdańsk again ...

Returned to its rightful owners.

You know...around 2000 years back all what is now Poland was
germanic lands...we are the rightful ownwers and we should get it all back!
(Without those Poles of course)




So you agree with ethnic cleansing, yes?


But what a part this was:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gda%C5%84sk_(Danzig)

Famous people born in the city

* Johannes Dantiscus, 1485, poet, church canon and bishop
* Bernhard von Reesen, 1490
* Albrecht Giese, 1524
* Johannes Hevelius, 1611, astronomer
* Georg Daniel Schultz, 1615
* Andreas Schlüter, 1660
* Jacob Theodor Klein, 1685
* Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit, 1686–1736, physicist and engineer
* Daniel Gralath, 1708, physicist and Bürgermeister (mayor)
* Louise Adelgunde Gottsched, 1713, writer
* Johann Wilhelm Archenholz, 1741
* Georg Forster, 1754
* Gottlieb Hufeland. 1760
* Johanna Schopenhauer, 1766
* Johannes Daniel Falk, 1768
* Arthur Schopenhauer, 1788
* Miltiades Caridis 1923
* Günter Grass, b. 1927, writer and philosopher

Do I have to say more?

Only if cleansed with some good ole' Jewish soap.

I wish more Poles could say that. But sadly they had to have their lives taken. We were not all given the choice to move. If the Germans didn't get you, chances are the Soviets would.

If I didn't know better it seems as if Germany is adding salt in a wound just to get attention.

Carol, Still in USA

It's an open wound for many Germans...no need to add salt.
Quite to the contrary..the denying of the Poles...those tries to talk it down, to make excuses etc. THAT is not helping.

lol Germans playing victm ...

I dont know Bratwurst if you remember fact that Germans just after 1939 expeled/killed all Poles form Gdańsk (before the war there was mix) so in 1945 ... you had to go home ...

and what your post present Gdańsk was Polish later German later Polish later German and now is again Polish :)))

it is form your link ... you started this s h i t

In the end we all win - you get Podolski and Klose - we get Gdansk.

Am I going insane or are my posts randomly disappearing.

This place is nuts - but I love it.

Total population by language, November 1, 1923

German: 95,03%
Polish: 3.28%

(what a "mix" that was)
And tell me more about those "expellations"...had all 3 percent to go?
At once?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig

Danzig was german since 1308 till 1945, fo more than 600 years, over a half of a millenia.

I think you Poles now squatting in Danzig for barely 60 years should have no problems to pack your bags either, right? To go home...

no we are not germans ... we are Slavs !

That's funny! Life always comes down to football, huh?
No you aren't insane.....our quick mods spirit anything off topic to the random chat thread....get used to it!

And it is a loveable, nutty, dysfunctional, happy family here at PF!

because whole XIX century you were expeling Poles

Tell me more about it please....

As the Germans lived there there lived millions of Poles also there, don't you agree?
But now...there are only Poles, barely any Germans...

How come???

with small Polsh gap

1454/66–1793

Face it Lukasz...in ethnic cleansing you mastered the Germans...we were never as good as you!

and Germans started Kulturkampf in XIX century

That's funny...all Danziger wanted "Heim ins Reich"...as Hitler drove into the town the people flipped in extasy!

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Wow..."Kulturkampf"...how horrible!
Especially as half of the country is protestant (Prussia too)...
Every time has it's "Kulturkampf"!

Excuse me for asking, but doesn't this museum recognize displacement of other peoples in Europe as well, or is that just besides the point?

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