Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland?

Germany was out of supplys and ammo. They were at the end of their rope anyway.. so to speak. This part, wearing them down , breaking the codes (this was major) , and each and every battle was one less bullet for Germany. I call it all of the troops.

And how did it get there? Because they had to fight a two-front war against Russia and the US.

A war only against Poland and/or the UK (has been)/would had been no problem...it shows who needed whom most, who was most important and that was the question!

Poland was the one that I saw in the middle and fighting for their country alone. Shot Germany was not fighting for their country, they were after the whole pie.

I'm not sure about that...

It is true.Stalin was Churchill's last hope.

I believe we kicked Russia's butt, but then again we had weapons, and were not sleeping with our family. Did you notice that even without weapons in "Katyn" they had to tie our wrists, they did have guns.

So Hitler's plans were too ambitious...ruling Europe was not enough... ;)

When exactly?


Absolutely right.Hitler wanted to grab GB's colonies as well.

Hitler was jealous actually, he thought that in order to be a superpower country/nation, you must have colonies around the world (as France and England had).

Chuck Norris did it in 'Invasion USA'.

Other than that I cant remember the USA kicking anyones butt on there own.

Celinski, u shouldn't talk about kicking Russia's butt!! That's inflammatory and a classic illustration of American machoism at that time. It's misplaced really. Well done for getting involved though!

sorry, thats what happens when you kill my family members.


When we regained independance.


Not the USa silly, Poland.

To Celinski, fair enough. Morality can be pushed aside when ur own were targets so I agree with u here. If sb killed my bro, I'd have them head-hunted. But, out of respect 4 u, I'm not gonna stay on this as I fear (casual sense of that word, lol) it may hurt u

can anyone remember how many brits were killed by americans in the first gulf conflict...?

all i remember is that it was more than killed by iraqis

We're notorious for this. Even our own.

notorious is the right word... its a bit careless if you ask me

Agree 110%

just like to state that UNFORTUNETLY germany would defeat any country if it was one on one during ww2. Also if Hitler had not attcked Russia he would not have to fight on two fronts. That was his mistake. and last thing I want to add is Russia was strong not because of its strong military but only because of its sheer numbers. Poland after winning polish soviet war after WW1 fell back technologically by the beginning of WW2.

Your just a savage then,whats the dfference with children and old people?


Muppet,we kicked your arse all the way back across North Africa,then up into Italy by 1943 you deluded Hun. We kicked your arses when you tried to murder our civilians in 40/ 41 (then we smashed most of your cities to hell way before the yanks came on the scene)and you guys were so chicken sh it from then on you became the first nation to fire rockets and missiles at civilians.


Bollox, who kicked russias butt,drivel


that would be 1945 with a polish govt that didnt so much kick as lick russias butt.


no,hitler wanted GB to keep running the colonies,he knew that germans historicaly are sh it at that sort of thing,good at wiping out whole native populations,not so good at getting them to work.


a hell of a lot less than they killed dropping bombs on american lines in op Cobra in 44.

few times we removed there buttocks from the position they occupied. By the way, it's much nicer with that smile.

This link suggests that 17% of American casualties were due to blue on blue.
The article focuses on Matty Hull.
Why won't the US tell us how Matty died?
observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2005595,00.html

dang... well i guess that comes with the gung ho hit and miss attitude of the american forces

Gun Ho Hit and Miss attitude. Bubba what do you think America misses on purpose and hits there allies. Mistakes happen. Technology doesn't always work how its supposed to. Those are unfortunate accidents. Mistakes happen at hospitals does that mean they have this careless attitude. No its just everything doesn't happen the way we want it to. Your anti american that's fine but be realistc at least.

Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland?

How could this be?...Germany invaded Poland.

some of you guys really do think your the only ones with sad stories dont you. I could be here all night telling the sad stories of just my own families involvement in the last war,but like your stories they have absoloutly nothing to do with the thread .

When he attacked Russia there was no other front.

Apart from North Africa..........

Where only 2 german divisions were employed.

Still a front.
Many many more of hitlers italian allies were there,and dont believe all you read about italys forces,some were awfull some elite.
Still had to defend the Atlantic coast line,another front,if you like.

That's the deluded Brit's! :)
Don't believe your war movies to much...a Germany without having to concentrate on Russia and you without the help you got from the US....just be fair and you would say so yourself..no chance!

There is nothing shameful about it....your island IS brave but very limited if you would have to stand all on your own!
Like I said, the only thing needed to take the Brits out would be a blockade....