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The Battle of Vienna - Poland helped save Europe


Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,937  
26 Sep 2009 /  #31
....but still they keep flocking to us...how stupid can a people be!
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
26 Sep 2009 /  #32
Himmler may have had the cunning to pull off the vital victories needed, and then what?

You might be speaking German instead of English.
rock - | 460  
26 Sep 2009 /  #33
I prefer stupid people to murderers.
TheOther 5 | 3,682  
26 Sep 2009 /  #34
Armenians anyone?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,937  
26 Sep 2009 /  #35
I prefer stupid people to murderers

How about stupid AND murderers?

turkishmurderers.com

.....

The following is a partial list of Turkish massacres from 1822 up till 1904:

1822 Chios, Greeks 50,000 [ picture ]
1823 Missolongi, Greeks 8,750 [ picture ]
1826 Constantinople, Jannisaries 25,000
1850 Mosul, Assyrians 10,000
1860 Lebanon, Maronites 12,000
1876 Bulgaria, Bulgarians 14,700
1877 Bayazid, Armenians 1,400
1879 Alashguerd, Armenians 1,250
1881 Alexandria, Christians 2,000
1892 Mosul, Yezidies 3,500
1894 Sassun, Armenians 12,000
1895-96 Armenia, Armenians 150,000 [ picture ]
1896 Constantinople, Armenians 9,570
1896 Van, Armenians 8,000
1903-04 Macedonia, Macedonians 14,667
1904 Sassun, Armenians 5,640

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

...to stupid and no guts to stand by your deeds on top of that!
Not only stupid and murderers but cowards too!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Armenian_Genocide

If I were you I would really hold my feets still when people discuss...
rock - | 460  
26 Sep 2009 /  #36
Bratwurst Boy

You are not only murderers but also liers.

I understand you. You need a partner to say the world that you are not the only murderers.

Knock another door. Turks are not the correct address.

You are still talking. Shame on you.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,937  
26 Sep 2009 /  #37
You are not only murderers but also liers

Liars??? Where do we deny our misdeeds?
That's a honorable thing to do for a Turk, isn't it???

Cowards....

Go kill another woman who doesn't want to walk three steps behind you!

rock, BB,
Please stick to the topic.
Thank you.

rock - | 460  
26 Sep 2009 /  #38
That's a honorable thing to do for a Turk, isn't it???

As I told before we can not share your murders. Knock another door.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
26 Sep 2009 /  #39
I don't believe you. Why then did you claim that Europe would be better off "if every German man, woman and child got killed post WW2". That's a total contradiction.

You can kiss my ass you ignorant ****, the reply wasnt even directed to you or in ten miles radius around you.

@BB the horse has been beaten to death and then some lets keep our respective opinions and stick at that, still despite all that happened i prefer Germany over Turkey but thats a civilizational and cultural thing, i can relate to you guys you're quite likeable when you dont try to kill everything thats not aryan and since you didnt try for nearly 70 years there's hope, i cant for the life of me relate to Turks but facts and figures alone your history beats everything anyone ever came up, technology or not.

Another fact is that most Poles myself included rolled on to a large degree, even our previous administration wasnt well received for pissing on Germany.

for Europes freedom

Nope, for kings freedom, thats not quite the same:)

Rome didn't had the weapons Germany had....but if they had, do you think they wouldn't had used them?

According to your logic every war these days should be a genocidal nightmare because we have 20x better tools to wipe people out, Poland alone has enough chemical and biological weapons left over from the "good times" to gas half of Europe.

It doesnt matter what technology you have but how you apply it, even Serbia despite all the hype about them being genocidal buggers didnt go on shooting sarin filled shells into towns.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,937  
26 Sep 2009 /  #40
i cant for the life of me relate to Turks but facts and figures alone your history beats everything anyone ever came up, technology or not.

Oh I know that! ;)

...and I don't see us marching eastwards anytime soon also...peace man! :)
TheOther 5 | 3,682  
26 Sep 2009 /  #41
the reply wasnt even directed to you or in ten miles radius around you

Are you getting senile, caveman? At whom was #12 directed then?
Crow 149 | 9,413  
26 Sep 2009 /  #42
The Battle of Vienna - Poland helped save Europe

wrong

Poland didn`t `help`. Poland actualy saved Europe. Thanks to Serbs, of course
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Sep 2009 /  #43
Were you there, Crow? ;)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
27 Sep 2009 /  #44
Actually there was a "croat" company serving in Polish infantry which had a number of Hungarians, Wallachians, there was probably an odd Serb there, all in all about 70-90 musketeers so yeah Serbs saved the day :))
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
27 Sep 2009 /  #45
Nothing quite like labels to misrepresent ;) A bit like a false trade description.
Crow 149 | 9,413  
27 Sep 2009 /  #46
you aren`t serious people

i don`t point on dirrect Serbian presentse during battle of Vienna. Serbs were there but, that`s not the point

point is that generations before battle of Vienna, Serbian nobbility and figthers known as Racowie started to transfer knowladge and skills of Serbian light cavalry to Poland and Hungary

So, Serbian cavalry tactics is something that dirrectly created Polish winged cavalry. Advantage on the field of cavalty tactics made Polish army supperior to Turks.

It is clear that Serbian cavalry tactics saved the day at the battle of Vienna. In its essentse, battle of Vienna presented good example of superiority of Slavic military tradition as ultimate European military knowladge that was obviously above army doctrine of Ottoman Turkish invaders.

no. Europe never said thanks to Serbs. For their virties, false Europeans gaved only hate to Serbs.

Sometimes, only sometimes, Serbs founded shelter in Slavija
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
27 Sep 2009 /  #47
Europe never does because the big powers always take the credit, Crow. They rewrite history to suit their own purposes to feed to unknowing/unsuspecting university students.
Crow 149 | 9,413  
27 Sep 2009 /  #48
Europe never does because the big powers always take the credit, Crow.

but, Poland founded strenght to underline facts about Serbian contribution to universal Slavic, European and world heritage, in its crucial enciclopedias. Only Polish enciclopedias keeping the facts about Racowie

Poland isn`t selfish, Poland is great, Poland is center of Slavija, Poland is core of Western world, Poland is hope of Sarmatia.

My respect to Poland
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
27 Sep 2009 /  #49
Poland has no need to embellish its achievements and would honour Serbia if it was the right thing to do.

So, Crow, when are you coming to Poland?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
27 Sep 2009 /  #50
Serbs were there but, that`s not the point

Yeah probably around 20 or 30 of them.

Serbian nobbility and figthers known as Racowie started to transfer knowladge and skills of Serbian light cavalry to Poland and Hungary

Sorry mate, Hungarian Hussars were a Hungarian invention influenced in part by the Turks and Mongols and in part by Western Knights, Polish Winged Hussars started out as Hungarian Hussars but later grew into heavy cavalry closer to earlier French Gendarmes or Polish lancers, either way Polish cavalry under Vienna had nothing to do with Serbian military traditions.

So, Serbian cavalry tactics

I'm sorry but Winged Hussar and the Armoured cavalry tactics were developed based on Western heavy cavalry and Eastern Tatars, they had nothing to do with Serbia again.

battle of Vienna presented good example of superiority of Slavic military tradition as ultimate European military knowladge that was obviously above army doctrine of Ottoman Turkish invaders.

And then Germans went and invented the Prussian army, and then Napoleon went and squashed their army and then Bismarck squashed Napoleon and then Russians and Americans squashed everybody, while at the time Poland ceirtanly was head and shoulders above anyone except Swedes no ethnicity has ultimate monopoly on superiority of arms, it changes with times Crow.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
27 Sep 2009 /  #51
Crow

uh oh, look who's back spreading his Serbian this Serbian that rubbish :):) Your a good laugh Crow but your country is a definition of 'average' :) nothing special ever came out of/ never will come out of Serbia, just get your head round that and you may enjoy the rest of your life. That is if you don't get lynched with your bum buddy Mladic :)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
27 Sep 2009 /  #52
Anyway lets see if i can get the hang of putting pictures in so i can post some unit types.

I'm not going to describe Lithuanian units for the simple fact that there were none, Sobieski had to rush for it and the Lithuanian army simply didnt make it in time, what was there was only the Polish arm of the Commonwealth.

The ultimate charge was actually not done ony by Polish Hussars but also by Polish Armored (a type of medium cavalry specific to the Commonwealth).

Winged Hussar

There we go i worked out the images, gotta imageshack this.

Pancerni (The Armored) a lesser known heavy/medium cavalry type, these guys were wearing a thick chainmail and used a heavy cavalry spear.

Pancerny (the Armored)

Polish Western style heavy/medium cavalry, the Arquebusiers (in Lithuania known as Reitars) though they used muskets like everyone else the name stuck.

Heavy Arquebusiers (these guys were actually the heaviest component of the Polish army having full plate armors).

Polish dragoons - regular light cavalry, same as pretty much everywhere in the West, without armor, armed with pistols, muskets and sabers.

Polish light signs. Light noble cavalry.
Often armed with lances, spears, bows and pistols, with much more skill and training being nobles they formed the bulk of Polish cavalry.
Crow 149 | 9,413  
28 Sep 2009 /  #53
Sokrates

your posts are incomplete and so not informative. That`s not nice. These days only Arabs, Jews, EU/USA politicians and some deluded people ignore Serbians.

What are you Sokratese?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
28 Sep 2009 /  #54
Whats there to ignore? Your people together with Hungarians gave Poland the Hussars, but Winged Hussars of XVII century had nothing in common with light Hungarian/Serbian style Hussars of XIV and XV century, Serbs contributed nothing at Vienna.

What are you Sokratese?

Turkish married to a Serbian girl that i abuse on a daily basis.
Crow 149 | 9,413  
28 Sep 2009 /  #55
Whats there to ignore? Your people together with Hungarians gave Poland the Hussars, but Winged Hussars of XVII century had nothing in common with light Hungarian/Serbian style Hussars of XIV and XV century, Serbs contributed nothing at Vienna.

Sokratese, you are liar

i can publicly say that and defend my position. You are great liar

[i apologize if you are not liar but, simple aren`t informed]

Turkish married to a Serbian girl that i abuse on a daily basis.

Turk?

e, finaly that some Turk want to take a woman for a change. Turks are among Serbians famous for their adventures with goats.
Babinich 1 | 455  
26 Oct 2009 /  #56
Nobody has really shown how Europe was saved, I'm not convinced so far.

The Russians defeated the creme of the Deutsches Heer and the western allies, primarily the US, bombed the axis into oblivion.

Just because it had been Poland suffering during the last centuries from their weakness compared to their neighbours that doesn't make these neighbours the ultimate devil incarnate!

Stalin & Hitler: the devil shroud in mortal coil.
GUSAR - | 1  
26 Oct 2009 /  #57
1529 - The first siege of Vienna - documentary

Also:

Vienna 1683 - troop rosters of the Polish contingent?

I need some help here please. Does anyone know if there were troop lists of the Polish contingent showing the names of soldiers involved? If so, does anyone know where I could get a copy?

the vatican

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