An apology to Poland from Australia

Is it a surprise that the one poster on this forum who is so Australian that he describes himself in his username as Australian refuses to apologise for the indefensible actions of his country? Despite the fact that his countrymen used to hunt them as sport and his countrymen continue to oppress them, he won't say a word of apology to the Indigenous Australians. Despite the fact that they continue to suffer from his country's attempt to force a dictatorship on them, he won't say a word of apology to the people of Vietnam. Despite the race riots directed against them, he won't say a word of apology to his non-white countrymen. Refusing to apologise for the actions of the leader of his nation is entirely in keeping with his ‘morals’


Instead of apologising instead he lies. At no time did I ever say that the only good Pole is a dead Pole. After it was decided that people would be allowed to post that the only good Jew is a dead Jew, I asked whether in the impossible event that I actually thought it I would be allowed to post that the only good Pole is a dead Pole.


More lies from the lie-meister. I’ve never refused to put flowers on any graves. But this is how Dan tries to debate: you can always tell when he knows he’s losing because he starts telling more and more ridiculous lies in an attempt to provoke a reaction which distracts attention from the fact that he has absolutely nothing to say in the debate.


I’ve avoided nothing. But feel free to keep lying about it.

BTW: how many times have you placed flowers on the graves of Polish soldiers who died fighting in WWII? Would I be correct in thinking that you care so little about those people that you have never even once bothered to put any flowers on any of their graves?

I'm sorry I've caused you such outrage and angst Mr Highpants. I'm chuckling as I visualise you frantically hammering away at the keyboard of your 1988 model Apple Mac II, giving me the e-shaft online and really going for my jugular.

Being the wordsmith you are though, and a fellow Aussie to boot, can you take time out from cleaning the latrines at the New Warsaw Express (you call it 'journalism') and draft write me a written apology (just quietly - I'm counting on you being loose with the truth as you always are, OK)? Once I've proof read it, I will pay you $5, yes $5, to verbally deliver my apology as my agent in a public place in Warsaw. Deal?


Then get that gerbil out of your bum and do so you knuckle dragger! Crikey!! I'm sick of having to remind you!!!


Sadly, I've never had the opportunity, but my uncle has given me photos of my grandfather's cemetery - he died fighting to save the city you call home.

I can say, however, with a bunch of pride that it was my job as a cadet corporal to man the cenotaph on several Anzac Days and assist in the laying of wreaths and various other functions of rememberance.

The diggers and veterans I spoke to at the post formalities 'get togethers' in the RSL club had problems saying my Polish surname but had no problems in fondly remembering the Polish troops they fought with, particularly in N Africa.

I suppose that's the difference between people like me and you Harry. Unlike you, I'm proud of where I came from and I love the country I live in...

Riposte? Something decent this time though, and no hysterics either...

How surprising to see that our Ozi has nothing at all to say about the topic being debated here and instead can only attempt to make personal insults.


Of course you are, dear boy, that is why you have to weave so many insults into your posts.


I would not call what I wrote for the NWE ‘journalism’: I didn’t write any news items. Thank you for permission to take a break from working for NWE; I was getting really tired, given that the publication hasn’t existed since last September…


You might like to learn how to walk before you can run, mate. First buy a dictionary, then look up the spelling of each of the four words in that fragment of your post.


Wow, those two insults in one sentence really show how strong your debating skills are!


One of you all-time classic lies! You have had thousands of opportunities to come to Poland and pay your respects. There is nothing stopping you from coming here. Well, nothing apart from the fact that you really don’t care that much: you’re happy to be a keyboard warrior but when it comes to actually doing anything, you’re happy to leave that for other people to do. Tell you what, mate, when I walk to the office tomorrow morning instead of leaving one flower on each of the three WWII massacre memorials I walk past, I’ll leave two flowers: one from me and one in place of the one which you can’t be bothered to leave.

Oops,you missed the irony,there really should be an emoticon for that :) Simply a comment on the fact that people still feel the need to wring apologies out of people born decades after events took place. The alternative,extreme loony left view would be ,yes,you should apologies to the natives,after all,colonisation of someone elses country is just as bad 150 years after the first wave isnt it? ;)

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I used to enjoy reading NWE and now the New Poland Express when the NPE email server is working :-))

I demand an apology for Hamlet, II.ii., IV.iv, V.ii :)

i concur, too hard to pick up sometimes.

I don't believe that I need to apologise for other peoples actions or words - dead or alive. It makes no sense and is kinda pointless.

Oh, I think he has plenty.

Propping up your sagging ego again, Harry?

Really? Then it will be no problem at all for you to quote three of the things which he has said in this thread related to the topic of the thread, i.e. the disgraceful attitude shown by the leader of his country towards Poland. I eagerly await your next, doubtless outstanding, contribution to this thread

The 'topic' of the thread you created for 'debate' was nothing more than a thinly disguised attempt at drawing me into another argument with you, wasn't it Mr Highpants. You went to the extraordinary lengths of resurrecting your own long dead thread to try and entice me into your spider web of intrigue - I'm flattered that you hold my views in such high regard. Being the rubbish your thread is though, it has received the responses it so richly deserved.

Speaking of debating skills, or lack of, why don't you traverse and review this entire forum for previous 'debates' we have had and show me just one debate where a genuine argument of yours has prevailed over mine. I'm pretty confident my position will be vindicated...



Hello, is Mr Kettle there? This is Mr Pot.

To be honest Harry, I had a much less humorous riposte to your ham-fisted hit and miss backfire but I thought I'd let you off the hook this time.

(Word to the wise Harry - there's nothing wrong with my spelling, but thanks for giving me the further ammunition!)


I did not say WWII massacre memorials. I said for you to place flowers on the graves of Polish and Polish Jew soldiers who perished in WW2 in Warsaw, particularly AK soldiers. Stop with the obfuscation.

Refer to my previous posts in this thread for what I require of you in this respect.

Not at all. It was to see whether certain Poles who post here would apply the same rules to Australia as they apply to the UK. It was also to see whether you would apply the same rules to yourself as you apply to other. The answer is that of course you will not.


You brought this thread up, not me.


Other people have attempted to debate the topic. You have made no attempt to do anything other than hurl insults. Could this be because you can not debate or because you can not debate this topic without exposing yourself as the hypocritical racist we know you to be?


Throwing insults does not win a debate, dear boy. Not even the racist insults that you so adore. I’m still waiting for you to go into detail about what exactly Britain could have done in September 1939 and failed to do, the things which you claim ake the British responsible for what happened to Poland.


Typing “you” in place of “your” is a typographical error, one which I now notice after reading my post again. Writing proof-read as two words and insisting that ‘proof read’ is correct after reading a post again is nothing but ignorance.


If you knew even half as much as you claim to know, you’d know that a great many of the people those memorials commemorate have no marked grave.

Now remind us: why is that you have never had the opportunity to place flowers on even a single grave of a Pole who died fighting in WWII? Isn’t the truth that you just don’t care enough? Yes, that would be it.

Sure thing, Harry: I'm rushing like mad to my keyboard to discuss with you 8 years old no-news. My gasket remains intact. Just.

In my humble opinion Australia should offer an apology to Poland because of you Harry.
They medical care is rubbish as they let the dangerus lunatic out !

So you mean you can not support what you said because you were lying yet again and instead of attempting to support you statement you'll throw out insults in an attempt to distract. What a surprise.

Speaking in plural for yourself again, Harry? Old habits die hard I see, comrade.


Oh, stop kvetching about feeling farkakte, Harry. Men can get funny when they’re losing argument. That makes you look like even more of a dick than you usually do.

Could you perhaps make your mind up whether I am a Jew or a former member of the communist government?

Or better yet, perhaps you could drop the ad hom stuff and try to debate the topic of the thread? On second thoughts that is a silly idea isn't it.


I love the way that you and your bigot buddy Greg pepper your posts to me with Yiddish. To people who aren't racist a person's religion means nothing. To you religion clearly defines a person. By the way, you might want to actually check the meaning of Yiddish words: farkakte means 'goddamn' or 'screwed up' or 'a bad idea'.

Losing the argument? How can I lose the argument when neither you nor Ozi Dan will argue? All you do is hurl insults. You do nothing to address the topic of the thread. And as long as you don't argue, I can't lose!

I already did.

Funny that you can't be potentially just average communist party member; you have to be member of the communist government. How modest of you, Harry.


Debate and give you another opportunity to demand an apology to aboriginals in Australia from Australian gov in the middle of the apology to Poland for WW2 thread again? Or saying that Pope should be killed because you don't like one of the doctrines of the RC church? Yes, it is silly.


I'll have to write to native Yiddish-speaking humor columnist in Canadian Jewish News and tell him that his Yiddish sucks than.

Debate the topic of this thread. After all, I assume you clicked on this thread to read about and debate the topic of it and you didn't just click on it in order to try to insult me with your comments.


I look forward to the day that you post without lying in your post. At no time have I called for the Pope to be killed. I said that I will believe the Vatican's stance that latex condoms have holes in them large enough to let HIV through when the Pope proves the existence of such holes by putting a condom over his nose and mouth for half an hour. If you think that that would kill him, you clearly do not believe what the Vatican says and so need to go and confess your sins.


Please do that. Alternatively you can do what I did: walk across the road to one of only two theatres in the world that perform exclusively in Yiddish and ask people there what the word means.

Harry,

Which theatres are these?

Looks as if I'm wrong about that! As far as I knew there was a theatre somewhere in Israel which produced only plays in Yiddish but it seems that either I was mistaken or that one has since shut down. From what I can see there are four permanent resident Yiddish theatre groups but only one operates from a theatre which doesn't produce anything other than Yiddish plays. That's the Ester Rachel Kamińska and Ida Kamińska State Jewish Theater (Teatr Żydowski im. Estery Racheli i Idy Kamińskich) on pl Grybowski.

I haven't been to Teatr Żydowski but I think that it puts on plays in Polish and not Yiddish. I love theatre and that is one thing in Warsaw that is worth going to. Try Współczesny near Plac Zbawiciela and you won't be disappointed.

I have no doubt that plays in Yiddish are performed in Israel and New York. Have you taken the opportunity to go to Israel from Poland? It is very cheap if you fly to Taba, Egypt and then cross the border to Eilat. From Eilat you have a four hour bus to Jerusalem and you can take a dip in the Dead Sea on the way. I've been twice and plan on going every winter. 1500 zł all inclusive.

Oh! but it does.

Wonder how many Yiddish speakers are there in Warsaw. Any idea?

maybe you would find the answer here warszawa.jewish.org.pl/en/