Are Germans going to pay for WW2?

Does really? Provide the names of those pro-Nazi leaders or back your words.

There was no Poland in WW2.The teritories were called general Eastern teritories and were governed by german authorities directly like Frank.(who in 1945 got hung by Czechs,or to be more exact,was suffocated by Czechs suffering a long death hanging.)

Please, I fear your history is way off.

Quote Shelly,
"Carol and Lukasz seem to want to blame someone and I personally think they are no better than the terrorists we are threatened by in this day and age! People just love to keep hate alive for there own means, it breads and festers!"

Ya Shelly that must be it, wouldn't want to call them guilty for mere millions. lol I guess I fell the truth for the dead is a wee bit overdue.

No Stalin was not our allie for the one that fought for the country "Poland" the east knew what Stalin was up to. In fact was it not British that showed outrage when they found out Soviets were killing Polish along with Nazi's.

Isthatu 2 the clip is not just the parade. Watch it and then respond please?

You really ae the stereo type of a dumb yank arnt you boyo...I was talking about serbia......... You really are an imature little laddie arnt you wally.....go suck on a slim jim...


Thank you carol,you are the ying to wallys yang(read "dipsh it".)....dont forget Britain was the first country to engage the soviets just after the revolution sinking a couple of russian battleships etc.( we ran out of pegs before we got their aircraft carrier and they sunk our submarine so.....)

I know you were talking about Serbia there dippy, but you're a 2nd banana too. I'm not immature just dealt with you squeakers before. Haha, Slim Jim? Are you moving over then? Sorry I'm straight. Easily riled Pommie, what are the odds? Why the hell are you on this thing anyway? At least I'm slavic.


Forget? NO one will forget the former luster of the realm with Ishtar around. Hmm.. blimey, dont stop now, keep antagonizing the Russians.. why break precedent?

Should half of us leave now then?

This is a germanic-slavic issue.

The thing that amazed me when I visited Poland last year and discussed WW2 was that fact that certainly a vast chunk of Polish people in the Gdansk area are Pro German - by this I mean they defend them and seem to have forgotten the terrible things they did to your country.

In fact I got more abuse being English as I was labeled as leaving Poland in the hands of Russia and stabbing poles in the back after they helped us fight in WW2.

They actually hated 'Slarvics' russian alot more proberly as the soviet occupation is a more recent memory and even then they went more in to details on how russia sent poles to their deaths on trains sent to Siberia.

I found this German tolerance amazing as just 1 mile from where I stayed there were mass graves of polish people {disabled and mentally ill} who had been executed by the germans.

I believe we need to move foward but what I dont believe is that some poles have more anger towards English/Americans than Germans.

This was a big eye opener! and if you mention 'Jews' you get an equally negative response whether this is due to the fact a high proportion of poles are Catholic religion I dont know - but if that was me I would be defending the Jews and standing up for them not avoiding the subject.

I have researched a bit on WW2 in Poland and came across a lot of blame pointed not as much at the Germans or Russians but a more bitter resentment of the ally countries like the UK/USA/France etc which was quite a shock - did Poland expect the UK for one could jump straight into a new conflict with Russia for example after just finishing war with Germany - so many countries still see the United Kingdom as this great empire but wake up and smell the roses I english and I can verify we are no longer an empire - we are a small country so how some can blame us for stabbing you in the back is beyond me.

Maybe some polish could enlighten me as I was always told by my grandparents who both fought in WW2 that we went to war because of Poland being invaded?

The polish expect all of their wars to be fought for them. They are incapable of defending themselves.

Joseph Pilsudski will be shocked to hear that.

joseph pilsudski is nothing compared to winston churchill, montgomery, etc. The most significant thing that the polish army did in ww2 was raise a large white flag, when the germans invaded.

You’re confusing Poland with France. Perhaps the British at Dunkirk, swimming the channel was a better option than facing the Germans like a real men. You were running with a tale between your legs. But how can I be so cruel, I forgot there were only British and French, no wonder. Americans and Poles have not arrived in England yet to save you’re a**s. Talking about being incapable of defending yourself and expect all of their wars to be fought for them.

IfmHitler had not deliberately stooped his troops from encircling Dunkirk,the whole British army would have become prisoners of war.Hitler gave tank divisions the order to stop their advance while they were closer to Dunkirk than the British in order to give GB the chance to negotiate with him without being completely defeated and humiliated.

How can you be so sure it was just about surrender? Some historians argue that he wanted to make peace with Britain. Do you really think that Rudolf Hass made his daring flight from Germany to Britain in a vain bid to stop the tragic conflict and it was not sanction by Hitler himself?

The 'whole' british army were not at a dunkirk. And how dare some polak say that the british fought with tails between their legs, if it was not for british involvment in ww2 you would not be alive.

Poland was looking for a saviour in ww2 and the british were it, that is well known. Now poland is looking for a saviour in the eu like a dog looks to be thrown scraps of the table.

The only reason that britain declared war on germany was because poland was invaded. That isnt even good enough for most poles. get of your arses and fight your own wars.

To be fair, Dunquerque was a retreat. A tactical one, but still a retreat.


I don't believe it was the only reason - the straw that broke the camel's back more like.

I suppose you still think you’re the master at the table. Flash news for you it’s Brussels. We’re not in full control of our destiny and neither are you, the sooner you realize that the wiser you will be and stop blaming everything on immigrants. But you don’t want to see that do you?


I survived communism and wimps like you I eat for breakfast.

noimmigration,

An arrogant prick is what you are. But you are still a student, so you wouldn't know any better.

Times have changed and we are living in a global world these days. Or maybe you haven't noticed? Globalism equals immigration, sweetheart. I believe UK is an EU member, which means they have accepted the entire package that comes with it. Whether a baby like you likes it or not. So, get used to it. A few friends of mine who happen to be your country fellows were freaking embarrassed by what you are saying here. I copied you in an email. And quite frankly, I don't blame them. Good luck with your attitude. I'm sure it's gonna get you far.

The well known truth NOW is that polish people was deep involved in the crime over jews in Warszawa ghetto. There is a book over that theme for shure.

The polish people should pay for that war crime they did. Expecially people from Warszawa.

Thats a very bold claim and although I do not understand this pro-german stance after what they did to Poland I think labelling Poland with the same blood stain as we do the nazis is a bit harsh.

No doubt some did help the germans but alot of brave poles died flying planes for the RAF in the battle of Britain for example, so you should not generalise an entire race.

Nobody polish has still answered my question why poles are so pro - german and german friendly?

A book, lol. If this accusation were fact one thing I know is the Jewish would be a wee bit more vocal than your one book.


I am in shock over your non educated, biased bs post. Now you say you are Poland's savior. Then you did a great f'en job seeing as how you gave what we fought for "Poland" to Communism/Stalin.

Seems to me Poland, even after fighting Nazi invasion without promised support, still covered your but*'s pretty darn good.


Maybe it's due to the fact Polish know Germany took responsability and althought compensation is still lacking it is more than Soviets have done.

I'm busy, but in short words (there's a popular saying that I don't know in English, but it goes something like this: God save me from my friends, with the enemies I can deal myself)

Germans were the enemy, plain and simple, no matter how attrocious their crimes were, we didn't expect them to be friendly.

Russian, initially, were not the enemy (and later, after Hitler's invasion on USSR they were even the alleged friends) who in their turn attacked Poland only 17 days later than Germany, when we were still fighting, with a sorry excuse of protecting the population of eastern Poland from them Germans. I won't even go into details of prosecutions (but everybody heard about Katyń, Siberia, Kazachstan)

They also used the opportunity that had presented itself at the end of WWII to dominate the whole Eastern Europe (Poland included) and introduced their terror regime (with falsified elections, murder, oppression of the opposition) in the region.

England (and other allied Western countries, USA included) were the real friends, who at Potsdam and especially Yalta betrayed us badly and like total wimps handed us (and many other countries) to the Russians on a silver plate.

So the still present sentiment of anger is understandable for anyone who actually studied the history and knows the facts, not some crappy version of history taught at his school.

When you're betrayed by a friend, you'll feel anger for a longer time, because you simply expect something else from a friend, while with the enemy it's clear.

But we (as the nation) only hate Germans and Russians, not the English/American :)
Some people may get angry with them, especially when they say we owe them something, but it's not hate.

Great points, I just wanted to add, the attack on Polands people did not end when the war did.

You as a nation hate Germans???

What are you doing in the EU then....

Maybe actions of Soviets and Nazi's would be closer to the truth.

While I understand your sense of being betrayed to a degree given the fact that the UK for one had very limited resources i.e they were on rations until well into the 1950's and we had fought on many fronts all over europe and not forgetting the war in Japan and Asia - how the hell would you expect us to remove the Russians from Poland?

As nukes had just been discovered if the allies had tried to remove the Russians from Poland there is every chance Poland and half the world would be a toxic wasteland now.

The problem was Germany was being attacked on 2 main fronts with the Allies pushing one front and the Russians pushing the other - as Russia or then the Soviet Union is right next door to Poland the russians were always going to get there first - so the only option would have been to declare war on Russia or have a nuke war.

Poland did come out of the war very badly but the blame should be with Russia not the allies - we did what we had to do and our villages, towns and cities were destroyed as well and millions lost their lives.

And why is there little spoken of what happened to the Jews - is it because Poland is a graveyard to so many jews who lost their lives?

The soviets got to eastern Europe before the Allies. Aside from having another war what else could be done?

I guess boycotting and showing rage toward Stalin's behavior would have helped vs. celebrating in a festive parade. Cold War was US saying this is not what you said you were doing.

Lets face it Polish were screwed. Even if the US / Britian wanted to help Poland when they saw what Stalin had done, they had already given him to much power.

I don't want to incinuate Brit's did not fight a tough battle. IMO they never should have made a pact with Poland and given them a false sense of security from the get go.


Say what, in the west the real war was Jewish/Nazi and no others. Holocaust has replaced history with biased version. Poland was the only one to accept Jewish and let them set up their own area's, schools ect...

I wanted to add, "Getto" was not a negitive prior to WW2. It was used like community. Negitive was due to what happened in this area. Jewish had their own community and this is what they wanted. Schooling was not free in Poland for anyone. Each family paid for the ones that attended. The real issue's with Polish/Jewish relation developed due to Jewish no longer being happy to be part of Poland. They wanted their own country within Poland and Poland said no.

The Allies could do little else. Practically speaking how could the US or Britain specifically have stopped Stalin? Theres too much talk on this thread in general terms e.g. 'Britain should have helped Poland', 'should have stopped Stalin' etc with no effort to explain how a bankrupt, worn out country like Britain was supposed to push the Soviet army out of half of Europe.

A person should only complain if they can show valid alternatives.

Interesting point regarding the Jews and that helps me understand the obvious distance in a conversation that occurs when I have brought this up in Poland so thank you for your comments.

Boycotting - I suppose it was an option but look at Cuba and the 'bay of pigs' - a boycott does not always work, certainly Cuba has managed to surivive decades of boycotting from the US and most of the EU due to their communist dictatorship and Russian influence and it did not stop them did it.

Nether did the US attacking Vietnam to remove the communists work either did it - so you have to ask would a boycott really have worked.

The only option would have been to remove Russia from poland by force and that was never an option as much as the Poles suffer for this.