Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'?

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/4387372/Polands-wartime-leader-General-Sikorski-not-victim-of-foul-play.html

Seems a bit strange to read that after reading



https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/history/wladyslaw-sikorski-remains-exhumed-29640/

Stranger still is that none of the people who posted about how the foul British murdered this honourable Pole have the decency to come here and apologies for their slurs....

That proves nothing as It is unknown If the crash was an accident or not. Besides... ugly crea... If you had to apologize for the racist sh*t you spread here that would have to take you whole days.

I agree. It only proves that Sikorski wasn't murdered prior to being in the plane not that the plane crash itself was not sabotaged.... I still firmly believe if anyone was responsible then it was ultra right-wing factions of Sikorski's own government that initiated sabotage the aircraft rather than British or Soviets... but that's just my theory to add to all the others.

Guess it must be hard for you to understand the bit which says "trauma to internal organs caused by an accident".
But at least we won't have to listen to anymore of your drivel about how Sikorski was shot/poisoned/stabbed/strangled by the British. Nor about how it wasn't actually his body that was given to the Poles.


Do explain how it is racist to point out that not all Poles are wonderfully nice people.

Or rather don't. Just post your usual bitter race-baiting anti-semitic lies. Those are much more entertaining.

I don't think they did need sabotage to make planes crash....lot's of planes crashed and people died...famous ones too....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_in_aviation-related_incidents

You are pointing MUCH more than that.

Do feel free to give an example.


Yes but those don't count. The only reason that Sikorski's plane could have crashed is clearly because the British sabotaged it (because he was so sure to die in the crash there was no need to kill him first and just put his body in the plane). Just as the only reason Poland was over-run in 1939 was that the British didn't help enough, and the only reason Poland was occupied by the Soviets was because the British didn't help enough and the only etc etc ad nauseam.

Maybe Sikorski was just an unlucky guy as there were two previous times involving him and aircraft.
Once when an explosive device was found on board a plane he was travelling on almost a year before the Katyn graves were discovered —the latter event which is always held out as a reason for silencing Sikorski by the British or the Soviets. The other was I believe control failure so Sikorski's aircraft was forced back to base, again much earlier.

LOL ! I guess any thread without this magic word would be a wasted thread.

I don't understand why Harry bothers with his"British did help Poland" attitude. Considering the whole nation firmly believes in the western betrayal idea i think it might hold some merit. But than again Harry thinks Poles are idiot farmers that curse everyone else for their problems be they Jews,Brits,French,Germans or Russians.

Harry i must ask you, what is your purpose here ? You're obviously a troll, you post here most of the time in an anti-polish fashion, its bloody clear that you do not like us or our country so why post here ?

Just please dont go "i have nothing against you" because so many of your posts reek of arrogant bullshit that attempts to be insulting without vulgarity so why are you here ? I'm by no means kicking you out and even if i had the power to i wouldnt but i'm curious why post on a forum belonging to the people you dislike or maybe even hate ?

right...
give something more... would you....


nothing new...


who cares???

I do, the guy goes out of his way to smear all things polish in shit, i'm curious as to why ? Maybe a Pole got his job ? A polish girl denied him ?

never...

but

as long as we won't have any "hard" evidence what has happened to him... everybody just shut up....

Probably because Britain did help Poland. Britain didn't just stab her ally in the back and steal half her country (as Poland had done to her ally in the war she had most recently fought).


One might venture to observe that in 1943 the whole German nation firmly believed that Jews were untermenschen and so you think that the idea might hold some merit, but I wouldn't care to venture that observation myself.


I actually do like Poland. That's why I choose to live in Poland. I also rather like Poles (although the Plastic Pole version that tend to clog this place up are another matter).


Somebody should post the truth now and again, even if the society doesn't want to face up to that particular truth.

How did Britain help Poland ?


However while there is no basis to the theory that Jews are subhuman there's lots of facts supporting the claim that allies bent Poland over and fucked her raw.


Its reasonable to suspect that Sikorski was murdered, he was a very uncomfortable person for many, its not reasonable however to say Brits did it, it could be anyone, Russians, Americans, Brits, lots of people saw his death as good business.

The only thing that was proven was that he wasnt killed outside the plane crash, the crash itself might well have been engineered, by whom ? We may find out if UK ever discloses the documents regarding the case.

Yeah? what happened there?.

I have heard this story many times about Sikorski being assassinated in the helicopter in Gibraltar.
Then these documents were meant to be released by Britain after fifty years but they weren't, why not?.

That basically sums up my conversations on this topic.
I have never looked into it until right now.

UK has a pretty large stash of documents regarding Sikorsky, its possible that there's something about his death there, they implied they'd release them early but then changed their mind, off the top of my head its still 70 or 80 years before they disclose them, why ? No idea.

because it may be good for you to see that poland isn't all that? just a though.


what? who? sorry but no go on the english help. when england finally decided that it ought to then the americans didn't help.

I 'know' its not all that i live here.


England or western allies in general never helped Poland during WW 2 unless we're talking about equiping polish units which was really just helping themselves, apart from that Poland never received any help whatsoever.

Harry, we all know by now that you are very attached to that thought and it means a lot to you. If it gives you comfort keep believing. But in this point you become as ridicules as Crow with his pan Slavic nonsense.

In but one example...you obviously do not know of Britain's S.O.E help for Poland in training of cichociemni special force paratroops of the Polish underground army?

Britain also gave safe haven for the Polish-government-in-exile which it did not have to. Remembering also that Hitler did not want a war with Britain at all....Hitler admired the British..a small nation which had built and administered a vast empire which is what the Nazis wanted for tehmselves in Eastern Europe and Europea Russia. The fact is the Nazis made numerous advances for a peace with Britain which it declined in order to support its ally Poland (and other nations of Europe) in the defeat of Nazi Germany. One cannot argue that this was not so.

So not "really just helping themselves" at all. In fact one could argue that the Polish-government-in-exile did not help Poland as it was divided by factional in-fighting of political self-interest which ultimately led to its own abandonment by the western allies.

Wait you mean a training camp with a few shacks is helping Poland ?


Given that the polish goverment became the goverment in exile because France and England refused to attack Germany as they were obliged thats not really help, more of a result of earlier negligence.


And then came Churchill who understood Hitler much better than you and knew that whatever Hitler wanted or not was a momentary sentiment, regimes that thrive on war do not stop, ever.

England was next and everyone with a brain to them knew it, thats why they didnt surrender.


Again rubbish, England turned Hitlers peace offer down because they understood that once Russia is destroyed there will be nothing stoping Hitler from hanging a swastika from Buckingham Palace, Hitler claimed he didnt want war with Britain but lets face it Nazi regime needed war to roll and guess who's the natural enemy once Russia is gone ?

UK didnt fight for others, it fought for itself.


Divided between whom ? 90% of ethnic Poles supported the exiled goverment and the home army, you might be referring to the peoples battalions which were a tiny fringe organization and grew only when the Soviets arrived, there was no division in Poland untill it was enforced by the Russians and received an approving nod from Britain.

Both Britain and France turned out to be absolutely useless allies, first failing to provide any military help whatsoever and then selling Poland out at every possible turn, they did help a few odd groups of soldiers but by and large there was no political or military help for Poland.

They first watched Poland fall and then sold it out, repeatedly.

Maybe if you like I can give you former cichociemni gen. Stefan 'starba' Bałuk's Warsaw correspondence address as I know him quite well and also Mr. Zibigniew Zielińnski former secretary of state for veteran affairs in Polish governement... I am sure either of the honourable gentlemen will be only to happy to help with your education especially regarding Britain's help to Poland WWII ;-)


Fantasy not fact....and you accuse me of offering opinion not fact..........now who is a troll?


I guess as English maybe your second language you have not understood my troll-like english...my text clearly alludes to the well documented divisions within the Polish-government-in-exile and it is a fact that there were many.... for example Sikorski was vehemently opposed by Sosnkowski and others in far-right over any dealings with USSR... as a consequence they were all too busy in-fighting to form an effective voice within the western allies... ultimately to the detriment of Poland.

The fact that the legal Polish government was in London and not in Poland led directly to the imposition of the Stalin backed regime of Polish communists in Poland.

I can recommend "General Anders and the soldiers of the second Polish Corps by Harvey Sarner" or 'Poland in the Second World War by Józef Garlińksi as being well researched works from primary sources which conatins much information about the political disunity in the Polish-government-in-exile which you might find educational reading ;-)

Back to my cave....troll' lol' lol......

Do stop with the lies. The UK did not refuse to attack Germany and it was under no obligation to do so anyway. Read the treaty in question and you might not sound like a complete moron.


England was most certainly not next. The Nazi focus was on the East and building a vast empire there, not on fighting with fellow Aryan nations.


Despite your masterly summation, the Nazi regime did not need war “to roll”. Read a little about what the Nazis actually wanted and you might learn something.


As is traditional at these times, I will ask the question that no Pole has ever answered, despite many being asked it: what would you like the UK to have done in September/October 1939 that it did not do?

Bitch slapped!!! :-P

Well done sjam!

polandinexile.com/vp2.htm


Very good book

amazon.com/Question-Honor-Kosciuszko-Squadron-Forgotten/dp/0375411976

Not these same tired old lies again! For the three thousandth time: Polish servicemen were invited to the London Parade. They chose not to turn up. Not matter how many times Poles repeat the lie that they were not invited, it will never become the truth.

And as for the 'apology', it reads as follows: "The Polish units serving in the British Armed Forces played a distinguished and gallant part in WWII and it is fitting that their contribution should be honoured and remembered. We very much regret that Polish contingents did not take part in the victory parade."

When is Poland going to write a letter to Ukraine apologising for stealing half of Ukraine and oppressing the people there after Poland stabbed Ukraine in the back while the two nations were supposed to be fighting together against the Russians.

polishforcesmemorial.com - New Polish Forces War Memorial in Britain- Sept.2009.

Harry you are troll using diffenrent nick names on this forum ... but just read this book.

amazon.com/Question-Honor-Kosciuszko-Squadron-Forgotten/dp/0375411976

It is good that some Brrits and Americans write honest history books about Poland... British have tendency to believe only for "their" authors so fortuantly there are some.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lwów_Eaglets