We were discussing here the future certificate (Karta) of Pole. That document permits people with Polish origin study and work in Poland. For such people as I (43 years old) it is not so important but the possibility to visit historic motherland without visa is precious for all ages.
But I'd like to attract your attention to a very interesting paradoxis.
As to some ideas on that document it is for those who had even one grandfather was Polish-speaking from lands of former RP.
I have documents showing that my grandfather had both parents Roman catholic from former RP lands. They spoke Polish and their ancestors are known until 17 century. I have information about the ancestry because there were documents collected for Senate for nobility confirmation.
The paradoxis is that although they can be found as Poles by today Poles, in reality they never lived in the lands of today Poland or Crown in the age of RP.
They were always Lithuanians (of mixed Slav and Lithuanian origin as everybody there).
They spoke Polish but not only Polish. As all little szlachta in Great Duchy of Lithuania they used Bielorussian and Lithuanian by living in Oszmiany, Kaunas powiat, Wolkowysk and Grodno (sorry for probably incorrect spelling).
For Poles they are Poles being Lithuanians.
And for Lithuanians they aren't Lithuanians.
I'm afraid the same document in Lithuania isn't for those who have such ancestry. Only Lithuanian-speaking peasants in the past seem to be the main symbol of today Lithuanian state. Like peasant-proletarian origin for career in our socialist past.
Can anybody give me explanation of this phenomenon?
A few words more:
It is a great honour to have Polish ancestors.
But it is not a humilation to have ancestors among people from the other part of Commonwealth, from Great Duchy of Lithuania.
The point is that Poland recognizes as sons and daughters people who have ancestors among residents of Gran Duchy of Lithuana and contemporary Lithuania doesn't recognize them. Or I'm wrong...
Your opinions...
But I'd like to attract your attention to a very interesting paradoxis.
As to some ideas on that document it is for those who had even one grandfather was Polish-speaking from lands of former RP.
I have documents showing that my grandfather had both parents Roman catholic from former RP lands. They spoke Polish and their ancestors are known until 17 century. I have information about the ancestry because there were documents collected for Senate for nobility confirmation.
The paradoxis is that although they can be found as Poles by today Poles, in reality they never lived in the lands of today Poland or Crown in the age of RP.
They were always Lithuanians (of mixed Slav and Lithuanian origin as everybody there).
They spoke Polish but not only Polish. As all little szlachta in Great Duchy of Lithuania they used Bielorussian and Lithuanian by living in Oszmiany, Kaunas powiat, Wolkowysk and Grodno (sorry for probably incorrect spelling).
For Poles they are Poles being Lithuanians.
And for Lithuanians they aren't Lithuanians.
I'm afraid the same document in Lithuania isn't for those who have such ancestry. Only Lithuanian-speaking peasants in the past seem to be the main symbol of today Lithuanian state. Like peasant-proletarian origin for career in our socialist past.
Can anybody give me explanation of this phenomenon?
A few words more:
It is a great honour to have Polish ancestors.
But it is not a humilation to have ancestors among people from the other part of Commonwealth, from Great Duchy of Lithuania.
The point is that Poland recognizes as sons and daughters people who have ancestors among residents of Gran Duchy of Lithuana and contemporary Lithuania doesn't recognize them. Or I'm wrong...
Your opinions...