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Polish Coat of Arms, Leliwa or Doliwa or?


SSpringer 5 | 55  
21 Sep 2007 /  #1
the last name is Rykowski, in the late 1800s i know was the marriage of Adolf Rykowski and Theadora Roman .. im trying to find out what Coat of carms does the Rykowski name belong to? the Leliwa or Doliwa? thanks any help is appreciated
Ronek 1 | 261  
21 Sep 2007 /  #2
Well if you have no idea what sort of coat of arms you family supposedly had, then they didnt prolly have one.

I dont want to sound harsh but these are the facts.
Having a name that ends on -ski, -cki doesnt mean you are the descendent of nobles.
In XIX century it became common that commoners and peasants without a surname of their own would be named after their land, occupation or were given a name of their Lord.

I might be obviously wrong but if your family has no idea about any coat of arms... that well , you get the picture?

Try looking more into history of yours and finding birth acts they should be very helpful.

There are few other important details about polish royal genealogy but lets leave it for now.
OP SSpringer 5 | 55  
21 Sep 2007 /  #3
thats what im trying to do, i have to find my great grand parents birth certificates again (dont know where they went after my great grandmother passed away) they were both born here but theyre parents were born in Poland (said on the birth certificate i remember that) and it had the town i think. i gotta find them again and check it out, as soon as i do ill most deffinitly get back to you on it ;) but whether theyre royal or not, doesnt even bother me i just want to find out history about em lol
Ronek 1 | 261  
21 Sep 2007 /  #4
Well if they are your great great great parents certificates that means they are pre I WW and they have lots of information on them. The thing that would interest you the most, the social state they were from! Most of the documents made before 1914 included this information since back then it was quite a big deal.
OP SSpringer 5 | 55  
21 Sep 2007 /  #5
yeah my great grand parents were born in 1917 in the united states, so far i just found my great grand parents wedding invitation, which had Theodora Rykowski and Theresa Holick on it.

I just found the cencus it says where they were born but im trying to make it out ill be back

says maybe Russia, or russian poland? cant be right, right?
Ronek 1 | 261  
21 Sep 2007 /  #6
there was something like Russian voivodeship but it was just a name. It was in fact in Poland. Now are sure it whats it says?

try looking for details about the name. Dosnt say its a family name, or given name. Poland was devided a lot back then so there were many different documents.

Be more specific on what is written there.
OP SSpringer 5 | 55  
21 Sep 2007 /  #7
very hard to make out ill try and desipher what i can back ina few

i cant seem to make it out, it seems like it says Russian Poland. maybe you can find it different? this is the census

they are the bottom family adolph, theodora, and so on
Ronek 1 | 261  
21 Sep 2007 /  #8
well cant make anything out of this and first of all its not a polish document, I though you had something polish.
As for the russian poland part I think that some poor bastard who was writing the census at the time had no idea how to communicate with your grandparents, he heard the eastern accent so he just put "russian/poland"
OP SSpringer 5 | 55  
21 Sep 2007 /  #9
oh alright LOL thats what had me confused i was like.. what? russian poland? lol but ill check and see if i can find any other documents that can help me, i think my grandmother has the birth certificates along with the baptismal stuff
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
21 Sep 2007 /  #10
The document is normal. Russia/ Poland just means a part of Poland controlled by Russia [or vice versa]

It's written that way for political reasons.

The document proves that the family come from eastern Poland. Or what is now a bordering country.
OP SSpringer 5 | 55  
21 Sep 2007 /  #11
now i really gotta find that birth certificate wro ;)

whats the name right above Rykowski on that census? cause they have the same "something" family when you go all the way to the right of the census
GrandeSande 2 | 119  
21 Sep 2007 /  #12
I believe that what you are seeing all the way on the right says,

"gardener house" "Gardener"

which would indicate that they were living in the gardener's house and his occupation was that of gardener.

Josephine on the above line was a "garden/house" meaning housekeeper and to the right it says they workrd for a "Private Family"

I made a mistake... they are not living in the gardener house, the male is the Gardener and the female is part Gardener and part housekeeper
OP SSpringer 5 | 55  
21 Sep 2007 /  #13
whats the last name above rykowski? any way they could be related?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
21 Sep 2007 /  #14
whats the name right above Rykowski on that census?

To me. the family name looks like Wigzenaki.

William...... head
Valeria.......wife
*raibbens...daughter.

The family name and the daughter's name are only my opinion based on a difficult text.
I'm sure other people will see something different.

There are websites that can help you with period handwriting.
OP SSpringer 5 | 55  
21 Sep 2007 /  #15
Cool thanks much appreciated
GrandeSande 2 | 119  
21 Sep 2007 /  #16
whats the last name above rykowski? any way they could be related?

I believe the name is Higzenski, since the first letter matches up to the other words that begin with H such as Head, and it looks nothing like the W in William or wife.

The daughter's name appears to be Josephine

Higzenski

Looking even closer at the document, I would say that it would make more sense for the name to be HYZENSKI.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
21 Sep 2007 /  #17
The daughter's name appears to be Josephine

I've had another look and can now see the tail of the letter 'p'. I can't see the name Josephine, but common sense tells me that you are probably right.
GrandeSande 2 | 119  
21 Sep 2007 /  #18
I went to Ancestry.com and put in HYZENSKI and William, and Valeria did come up.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
21 Sep 2007 /  #19
I can't argue with that. It must be them.
OP SSpringer 5 | 55  
21 Sep 2007 /  #20
ive got Chodowski (spell check) and my grandmother thinks the Rykowskis were from Krakow (spell check that too)

and the Hyzenski are my grandmothers god parents

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