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Whats the job and school market like in Warsaw?


irishdeano 5 | 304
28 Mar 2010 #1
Hey guys, Ive been through poland many times etc as u all know

Gonna be going to warsaw soon, What kind of jobs are going around there? I dont have any teaching qualification which is kinda not good, I do have some in business.

any ideas and help would be excellent
irishlodz 1 | 135
4 May 2010 #2
Wish I had some good news for you. If you're not bringing a job with you, teaching is one of the few options. I'm here a year and not a sniff of a job. Not having the language puts you at a huge disadvantage to the locals. What jobs are there for English speakers pay poorly. Start applying now and never send a CV off without getting the name of the contact. Follow up with them to see if anything is progressing. Recruitment agents are lazy and will forget about you if they don't have an obvious job to put you forward for. Start to learn the language before coming and practice at home. I've been looking for a trade buying/purchasing job. Had the wind taken out of my sails when I was told max to expect is about 3000pln p/month before tax in Lodz, more in Warsaw or Krakow but still only just covering the bills.

Ireland even now offers far higher wages and I have 2 interviews after a week looking.
OP irishdeano 5 | 304
12 Jul 2010 #3
jobs or english schools warsaw

Hello guys, its along time from i posted a thread, Just looking to know has anyone got any info of jobs in warsaw or english schools there lookin native's, websites etc i hope on of you teachers can help me out

cheers people

The Deano has returned
terri 1 | 1,665
12 Jul 2010 #4
Try Dave's ESLcafe or go through all the schools listed in ang.pl for Warsaw - get a CV and knock on doors. There is no other way.
aligator_s - | 77
12 Jul 2010 #5
contacts are quite important in Warsaw too. the nice thing about teaching is that you have a bid wedge of time in the middle of the day to dedicate to other things.

the warsaw voice, the warsaw insider, warsaw in your pocket all need content and you could create content for them. this is how friends of mine who work for Reuters started out. every magazine is desperate for ad sales people, all your prospective clients speak English. You would get commission only however i have met many people who started this way then landed jobs at advertising agencies.

it makes your CV look far more marketable. early hours teaching business English and afternoon/evening work teaching students will stop you from starving to death.
OP irishdeano 5 | 304
12 Jul 2010 #6
the warsaw voice, the warsaw insider, warsaw in your pocket all need content and you could create content for them

Do you contact them straight about it? commisson on it wouldnt be alot tho would it?
aligator_s - | 77
12 Jul 2010 #7
please contact them directly. they can only say no, but as it is no win, no fee they would be silly to do so. particularly if you call from their offices and they can keep an eye on what you are saying. no publisher wants someone misrepresenting their product.

it is a great start out job in Poland, you meet loads of people and no one takes themselves too seriously. the underlying thing to remember is that not many Poles can sell. they either undersell or they try and ram the bl**dy product down your throat.

as for commission, I am not sure but I would have thought 12,5% would be acceptable.
you are never going to get rich doing this but it is a proven stepping stone in building a career in Poland
OP irishdeano 5 | 304
12 Jul 2010 #8
the underlying thing to remember is that not many Poles can sell. they either undersell or they try and ram the bl**dy product down your throat.

I know lol its one thing im not so bad at is selling but not much good to me lol

you are never going to get rich doing this but it is a proven stepping stone in building a career in Poland

Oh i know that ive been in different parts like kleice for a while but i didnt work, also krakow, zakopane and lodz, and was in warsaw an came home the other day but im planning to go back soon, just came home to get a few more savings before i go back over
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
12 Jul 2010 #9
Just looking to know has anyone got any info of jobs in warsaw or english schools

Not to be rude, but...are you sure teaching is for you?
OP irishdeano 5 | 304
12 Jul 2010 #10
To be honest not really an its not something id wanna do, id rather do accounts

plus if you wanna make fun of way i write on here it's cause its a forum an i dont re-read what i write
czech_canadian 8 | 32
6 Jan 2016 #11
Merged: Which job market skill-sets are in dire shortage in Warsaw?

Hi there!

I was just wondering what sectors (if any) of the job market are experiencing a hard time sourcing qualifiedprofessionals from the local market? I am specifically referring to Warsaw. I am expecting areas of the IT field to be included in the list, seeing the continual growth and advancement in this sector worldwide . Perhaps there are others?

Thanks!
AngryPole
7 Jan 2016 #12
No market skill sets are in shortage. In fact the opposite is true - hundreds of highly skilled and highly educated poles compete for each and every position out there in both IT and Finance not to mention less demanding areas. Salaries are low and each job opening (even the most specific skills related one) gets hundreds of resumes in the first day. That's a prime example of an employer's market.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 Jan 2016 #13
Not quite. Actually, it's very difficult to attract good candidates these days - I was reading an article only yesterday about the attitude of young potential employees towards even good positions. In both IT and Finance, it's difficult to recruit good people here, hence why so many foreigners are getting jobs here.

It's not an employer's market at all in Poznań/Kraków/Wrocław/Warsaw.
AngryPole
7 Jan 2016 #14
delphiandomine, simple question - if it's difficult to attract good candidates - why are salaries so dramatically low then? Shouldn't we say then that it's difficult to attract candidates with the salaries being offered, which is a bit different story.

And by the way - when a job opening of let's say an IT manager with international experience and profound knowledge of BI systems in Warsaw gets 320 CVs within one day after submission - how's that for employer's market?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 Jan 2016 #15
delphiandomine, simple question - if it's difficult to attract good candidates - why are salaries so dramatically low then?

The salaries aren't dramatically low, as IT salaries tend to pay very well indeed. The problem is that there's a lack of IT employees in the West, which means that they're willing to pay over the top for average talent. That feeds down to Poland, where no-one is willing to work for anything less than very comfortable - hence why we have to import endless non-EU citizens to fill these jobs.

The fact that companies are willing to pay in the region of 12-13k gross to very average candidates says a lot about how difficult a market it is.

And by the way - when a job opening of let's say an IT manager with international experience and profound knowledge of BI systems in Warsaw gets 320 CVs within one day after submission - how's that for employer's market?

Nothing new there - I have friends in BI who apply for every position going simply because they know that salaries are increasing rapidly - and it's not common to get huge raises in the same company.
AngryPole
8 Jan 2016 #16
delphiandomine, I had an impression that 12-13k gross is about maximum you can get in Warsaw. And that would require some highly demanded and specific skills like SAP.
czech_canadian 8 | 32
12 Jan 2016 #17
@AmgryPole @Delphiandomine

Thanks for responding. I actually just had a meeting with an Exec from an IT Recruitment company and Warsaw, and he mentioned that it is indeed a candidate's market for IT related jobs here.
JanekP
12 Jan 2016 #18
Agree with delphiandomine

Average IT salaries in multinationals that outsource in PL (8k to 12k gross approx.) are anyway higher than the salary for the same profile in the PIGS (where I stays for Italy, not Ireland .... I know italian market pretty well and aside Milan that is a very expensive city in the rest of the country as a senior developer hardly u can break the 1500 EUR net).

The purchasing power for a guy living in Poznan with 12k gross a month is really very good on EU standards, and the fact that the polish girls that work as recruiters are continuosly hiring ukrainians and indians is a clear indicator that Poland lacks of skilled specialists in that area, or better they're in UK/Ireland
czech_canadian 8 | 32
13 Jan 2016 #19
@JanekP

Well the Ukrainian IT market is the largest one in Central and Eastern Europe (with over 5000 Developers working in perm roles there), and it is a known fact that Ukrainian developers are highly competent. In fact they are sourced spcifically by many high-tech companies in Canada and the States (I know this as I was working in his industry for 4 years in Toronto). You'll be surprised just how many Ukrainian progarmmers are brought over via the immigration route which takes a couple of months by the way.

Therefore I would not be surprised if Polish tech companies are sourcing them too. (Please note I am not saying that Polish developers are not competent).
AngryPole
13 Jan 2016 #20
Hey Guys,
I wouldn't argue with the fact that average IT guy could pull 8-10k gross in Warsaw. But isn't that actually a dramatically low salary for IT? 8k gross is less than 1500$ net per month. In Belarus and Ukraine it's at least double that while those countries in general are significantly poorer and standard of living is lower.

And try to find an IT job for let's say 20k gross per month, which is in fact less than 4k$ net. Would that kind of salary be even possible in Warsaw. In Belarus and Ukraine it's a standard salary for a good Java Team Leader, nothing really special.
czech_canadian 8 | 32
13 Jan 2016 #21
@AngryPole,

I hear you with repsect to the salaries Ukranian developers are earning in Kiev, Krakov and other big IT hubs over there. I know for a fact that even attracting mid-level hard-core Ukranian programmers to Canada is a mission at times, as most positions over there (whether its in Toronto, Montreal, Calgary) pay the same or even less than what these chaps are earning currently in Ukraine. The norm is for these guys to earn between 4 - 5 000 USD per month and this is after tax.

@AngryPole

What was I thinking - sorry I meant Kharkiv, not Krakov. Also Dnipropetrovsk and Odessa are other IT hubs :-)
JanekP
13 Jan 2016 #22
Indeed is actually in Ukraine that salaries in IT are great, and is an exception in Europe.

In UK they're ok for the cost of life, in London is very hard even as a senior developer to reach the 4000 GBP net /month.

Ireland is probably the main IT hub in EU and there u can get approx 3500 EUR, but based on the cost of life is not much better than banking 8000 PLN in Poznan or Wroclaw.

For the rest the salaries are pretty low compared to cost of life ... Italy, Spain, Norway, even Germany as a C# Developer and not SAP-related the salaries are not really fantastic, especially in the startup environment of Berlin.

I don't put into the equation certain asian big cities like Dubai, Doha or Singapore: there salaries are crap in IT and they have the queues of indians ready to accept whatever salary and "welfare" ... u can get a good deal only thru connections
AngryPole
13 Jan 2016 #23
Exactly. Same applies to management. Check it out - the median salary for senior PM in Kiev is 4300$ (that's after tax).That equals ~ 25k PLN gross. Who in Warsaw earns that kind of money in IT?
JanekP
13 Jan 2016 #24
True but I would say in many western countries you don't get that salary for the same position.
Ukraine and Belarus are, indeed, exceptions.

And anyway the Ukrainian developers are flocking to Poland and other western countries even for half the salary they used to get in UA, just to be in EU :)

and I think some US companies are overselling the ease to then relocate to USA or other countries where the company has offices
czech_canadian 8 | 32
14 Jan 2016 #25
@JanekP

Yes, I remember meeting a programmer (from London) who was working for GameLoft in Toronto, and he explained to me the whole situation with the salaries in London, particularly in video gaming sector, and he was much better off in Toronto.

What about Amsterdam? The tech sector doesnt pay too well in France too I reckon

@AngryPole

I think the tech sector in Ukraine is a bit different, in that the Government does not tax heavily the employers, thus giving them more space to reward their hard-earned employees with better pay. As you prob know the IT sector is quite significant to their economy situation over there, with quite a number of players over there. I was just as surprised to come across major non-Canadian tech companies who outsource their entire back dveelopment to Ukraine (and Belarus), in addition to tech type companies. I beieve the video gaming industry may be different though - salaries are lower.

Yip 25k Gross is definitely very comfortable for Warsaw. That would be Executive-level pay in major foreign corporations, perhaps?
JanekP
14 Jan 2016 #26
Europe IT market is very good but even very weird; is tiered and on top there are countries where nobody is interested to settle in.

TOP: Ukraine, Belarus
GOOD: Poland, Ireland, Malta, ...
AVERAGE: France, Germany (but very good for SAP), UK, Scandinavia, ...
BAD: mostly Southern Europe
mcqd
21 Mar 2016 #27
Does anyone have a suggestion for a good IT recruiter in Poland? I'm a mid-level developer looking to move to Krakow and would like to learn a little about the job market, what languages/technologies are in demand, etc.


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