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English lad looking for work in Poland


anto13 1 | 3
2 Mar 2014 #1
I'm a 20 year old English lad and its come to the point were its near to impossible to find work in England and i simply cannot find work anywhere. So I've decided to try and find work in Poland, i do consider myself hard-working I've worked ever since I've left high-school done jobs in railway, laboring and now currently a forklift driver (only temporary contract finish next month) so basically i feel I'm just a waste of a human in England and i don't wish to claim benefit's let the rest and i feel i can offer my skill's, experience else where.

I'm aware that the pay isn't very good and the condition are very brutal but it doesn't really bother me too much i don't exactly come from a rich family anyways. The other problem is i don't speak Polish i can only speak English BUT i'm willing to go Polish classes and learn Polish. I'm more interested in Laboring Jobs which i listen above.

[I'M SORRY IF YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANSWERED THESE THREADS BEFORE BUT I WANT HEAR FROM PEOPLE]

Regards,

Anto.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
2 Mar 2014 #2
Anto the problem is it is not easy to find a laboring job in Poland and without good command of Polish language it is nearly impossible - if you don't want to get your life wasted I suggest a completely different approach - visit this website and see that your life and your voice counts - you could be on welfare for a time but if you use decrees and invocations on the website you make a huge difference in the world - hope you recognize the value of it
OP anto13 1 | 3
2 Mar 2014 #3
Anything is possible I'm pretty sure if a Polish can do a job laboring without speaking a word of English in Britain surely there can an exception especially since I'm more than happy to learn Polish once i get their and settled. I'd appreciate if anybody could link any website's for job advertisement's.

Regard's,

Anto.
jon357 63 | 14,149
2 Mar 2014 #4
Anto. you'll be out of luck. The reason that so many Polish people have to leave their homes and travel to foreign countries to get work, whether they want to or not, is that there are very few jobs here in Poland; and certainly nothing at all for someone of your age and skill level.
krecik89
2 Mar 2014 #5
I think if you want to get involved in service like working for a hotel or as a waiter you may get a job. Some of the high end hotels have started employing foreigners who don't speak Polish. You'll definitely be a bit of an oddity at this level of work and someone may like this and give you a go. I'd target foreign owned businesses and the hospitality sector. It may be a long shot but you could find something. I was at an Indian restaurant in Poland and the waiter couldn't speak Polish. Maybe give the Irish pubs a go...
Wulkan - | 3,251
2 Mar 2014 #6
Anything is possible I'm pretty sure if a Polish can do a job laboring without speaking a word of English in Britain surely there can an exception especially since I'm more than happy to learn Polish

well, we have a saying in Polish that goes: Polak potrafi
DominicB - | 2,677
2 Mar 2014 #7
I'm a 20 year old English lad and its come to the point were its near to impossible to find work in England and i simply cannot find work anywhere. So I've decided to try and find work in Poland

This has to be about the most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum this year. No matter how bad you think the job market is in England, it's a friggin bed of roses compared to Poland. Why do you think all those Polish people are in England? It's because they couldn't find work here.

i feel i can offer my skill's, experience else where.

The second most ridiculous thing. You have NO skills and NO experience to offer. At all. Zip, zero, zilch. Don't be a fool; go back to school and get some useful qualifications or learn a trade. There's a world-wide glut of uneducated unskilled laborers, and your life is going to suck wherever you live unless you have something real to offer employers. In England, you have lots of opportunities for education. In Poland, you will have none.

Some of the high end hotels have started employing foreigners who don't speak Polish.

I was at an Indian restaurant in Poland and the waiter couldn't speak Polish

Maybe give the Irish pubs a go...

They wouldn't even look at a 20 year old with no education, no qualifications, no experience and no knowledge of the local language. There is zero chance that an inexperienced 20 year old can find work in Poland, except maybe in a lousy call center. Even if he did speak Polish, the chances would be still be pretty remote. Youth unemployment is far higher in Poland than in England, and wages are far lower. A lot of Polish students spend the summer in England earning for their studies.

Even if he did find work, it would be a low-paid dead-end job with zero possibility of advancement, like cold call sales in a call center. I would wish that job on my worst enemy.

Anto, if you have decided to pursue a career as a laborer, then get some qualifications and skills that will enable you to find better work in the field, like plumbing, wiring, heavy machine operating or the like. BUT, beware of fly-by-night trade schools. Have an experienced adult help you shop around for courses that are really worth the money.

The second thing you have to keep in mind is that you will, for the rest of your lifetime at least, be competing against cheap labor from abroad. Things won't improve until you get some low-level management skills at least.
OP anto13 1 | 3
2 Mar 2014 #8
Dominic

I feel you were very, very harsh the way you conducted your response i don't have time for ignorant people like yourself and you clearly are deluded to the point were you have no idea how Britain is at the moment.

Anto

Feel to free responded with a more polite response and maybe we can debate about this without you being so blunt.
Wulkan - | 3,251
2 Mar 2014 #9
In England, you have lots of opportunities for education. In Poland, you will have none.

well there is obviously more opportunities for education in England but saying there is none in Poland is quite ignorant
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
2 Mar 2014 #10
there is none in Poland is quite ignorant

He probably meant free learning courses, because in the UK (last time I checked) the unemployed and some others could get free further education courses in many or all areas (at least in England, if not other parts of the UK).

I wouldn't have thought the prospects are too bright in Poland for the OP, but that weird thing called luck can play a part, so you never can tell. It's unlikely perhaps, but probably some have met a Polish girl whose family somehow found their foreigner boyfriend a job. Yes, improbable, but it's probably happened. However, on the face of it, it would seem to be very brave if for more than a bit of backpacking and dipping a toe in the water while not burning any boats for going back to the UK. Essential to have a decent amount of cash for what will likely be an extended lean period unless the luck fairy makes an early appearance. It may also be advisable to book a cheap return ticket home in case things turn out worse than expected and at least a very cheap ten quid getaway can be made rather than a last-minute expensive airfare (can cost a hundred quid or two if booked very soon before departure).
DominicB - | 2,677
2 Mar 2014 #11
well there is obviously more opportunities for education in England but saying there is none in Poland is quite ignorant

You missed the word "you". The statement was direct specifically at the OP, a 20-year-old unskilled high school grad with apparently no plans for higher education. There are no educational opportunities for him in Poland. Any vocational or trade-related training would be conducted in Polish, and the OP is years from being able to take part in any such courses.

At all.

you have no idea how Britain is at the moment.

No matter how you slice it, as far as educational and employment opportunities for you go, England is a veritable land of milk and honey compared to Poland. There's nothing to debate here. You'd have a quarrel with the hundreds of thousands of Poles who have recently left Poland to find work in the UK.

I gave you some great advice: if you want to be a laborer, acquire some useful skills so that you are able to compete on the job market. Forget about Poland. The job market there is going to be a lot tighter than the UK for the foreseeable future, especially for unskilled laborers. If you think that pointing that out is "harsh", you're in for a very unpleasant lesson in life, much harsher than my little slap upside the head.
szczecinianin 4 | 345
2 Mar 2014 #12
Feel to free responded with a more polite response and maybe we can debate about this without you being so blunt.

He was telling the truth.

There are 700k Poles in the UK. There are (according to official statistics) less than 3k Brits in Poland. Try asking yourself why.

Things may be bad in the UK at the moment. However, almost certainly, they are worse in Poland.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
3 Mar 2014 #13
However, almost certainly, they are worse in Poland.

Seems to be a lot of money about however, even the 20-something young mum ahead of me in the queue at Biedronka today had a very nearly new shiny black Range Rover type of vehicle parked right outside. I don't think I've seen so many new cars in a city since I lived in the better parts of London, and even then...

Either loans or family wealth, but there seems to be a fair bit of conspicuous consumption here. Tusk must be doing something right or maybe the Poles have simply worked hard to beat the odds. However, I do fear that these fleets of flash cars are paid for with property equity loans or other borrowings. Meanwhile, I'm often found in a big and expensive Mercedes -- a Mercedes bus to be precise, often sat next to a gentleman with incontinence and a can of beer. Mind you, I'm not sure what he'd say about me. (Truth be told, some of them have more heart and decency than the more regular folk I tend to encounter.)
DominicB - | 2,677
3 Mar 2014 #14
Either loans or family wealth....

A big part is money earned in the West, including the UK. Another factor is the "fake it till you make it" mentality.

I do fear that these fleets of flash cars are paid for with property equity loans or other borrowings.

Exactly, and by scrimping in the less conspicuous areas of life. Like shopping at Biedronka.
poland_
3 Mar 2014 #15
Things may be bad in the UK at the moment. However, almost certainly, they are worse in Poland.

Things are much tougher in the UK than Poland. Even a couple making a combined of 20,000PLN per month could manage a mortgage, car payments and put a child through private school, try doing that on 4 K a month in the UK.
DominicB - | 2,677
3 Mar 2014 #16
Apples and oranges. A equivalent British couple with the same qualifications as the Polish couple making 20 K in Poland is going to earn a lot more than 4 K a month in the UK, and at the end of the month they are going to be able to save up more in absolute pounds than the Polish couple could. The savings in cost of living in Poland are more than offset by the lower wages. A Polish couple earning 20k PLN would be considered quite well off indeed by most of the population, who survive on a third as much, or less.
Meathead 5 | 470
3 Mar 2014 #17
The only place for Working class English for jobs is the USA, Canada, Australia or New Zealand. Fly to the States and get a job and somebody might be able to sponsor you. If the Mexicans can do it the English certainly can. The place right now is the oil fields of North Dakota where they have an extreme shortage of strong backs.
szczecinianin 4 | 345
3 Mar 2014 #18
Things are much tougher in the UK than Poland. Even a couple making a combined of 20,000PLN per month could manage a mortgage, car payments and put a child through private school, try doing that on 4 K a month in the UK.

Average wage in the UK is 27k (pounds sterling). How much is it in Poland?
pam
3 Mar 2014 #19
I'm pretty sure if a Polish can do a job laboring without speaking a word of English in Britain

Any decent building company, especially larger ones, would insist on a reasonable level of English from their workers as they cannot compromise health and safety on site. Not saying there aren't companies that would exploit cheap labour, but they're doing so at their own risk.

I'm more than happy to learn Polish once i get their and settled.

You need to ask yourself one question.
You are an unskilled labourer. Why would a company in Poland employ you over a native who speaks the language?
Polish is not a language you can pick up in a couple of months btw.
The advice you've been given here might sound harsh, but it's the truth.
Generally speaking, unless you're going to Poland to teach English which is becoming increasingly more difficult with a saturated market, then you need a skill that the country wants and is in shortage of. There are enough unemployed Poles looking for work.

You would be far better off improving your skills/qualifications in the UK where there is at least the safety net of the benefits system if things don't work out. In Poland you would have nothing if things went wrong.
Uglywoman 3 | 76
3 Mar 2014 #20
Pam, I respectfully disagree with you. Several of my Polish friends in England got construction jobs in London but they don't speak English at all.

I was able to speak Polish conversationally after studying it for less than half a year (though I did read my grammar books 5 hours a day which is a bit long) so I think Anto will be okay)
pam
3 Mar 2014 #21
Several of my Polish friends in England got construction jobs in London but they don't speak English at all.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Poles to work in construction without knowledge of English, but it's likely they will be employed by dodgy companies who are willing to exploit cheap labour at the expense of health and safety.

I was able to speak Polish conversationally after studying it for less than half a year (though I did read my grammar books 5 hours a day which is a bit long) so I think Anto will be okay)

That's as may be, but he has to get the job first and the simple fact is that it would be given to a native who speaks the language. How is he even going to get through a job interview?

If the OP is desperate to work abroad, he would have far more success in an English speaking country after he's updated his skills/gained further qualifications.
szczecinianin 4 | 345
3 Mar 2014 #22
My experience would be that most Polish building workers who have found work in the EU don't know the language of the country they are working in. This isn't (generally) a problem. Their foreman may be Polish themselves. Furthermore, some building companies would prefer their workforce not to know their rights.
pam
3 Mar 2014 #23
Their foreman may be Polish themselves.

In which case as long as the foreman can satisfy the company that the workers are aware of and can understand health and safety rules, then no it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

But the OP is not going to be working for an English building firm in Poland. He simply isn't going to be employed by a Polish company.

some building companies would prefer their workforce not to know their rights.

Exactly :(
Monitor 14 | 1,820
3 Mar 2014 #24
Unemployment

As you see on this picture young have lower chance of finding job in Poland than in UK. If you want to move to other country with lower unemployment level like Germany, then bare in mind, that in physical work, knowledge of local language is crucial. Poles without English knowledge are able to find employment in UK only because they work for lower pay and in Polish working groups. They have bilingual supervisor who translates them instructions. I don't think that there are such job places in Germany for English speaking people.
OP anto13 1 | 3
3 Mar 2014 #25
I can take the constructive criticism and end of the day this is a forum page i want to gather has much information out of it has i can. Yes i agree it probably was a RIDICULOUS thread but somebody needs to ask.

Some of you think the UK is filled with opportunity's and everything is easy. I'm sorry but you're sadly mistaken, you don't realize the amount of applications I've sent to Plumbing, plastering apprenticeship's it's very hard especially when you're competing with Unemployed 16-24 and school leaver's and school leaver's are far more likely to be chosen over somebody like myself.
DominicB - | 2,677
3 Mar 2014 #26
Some of you think the UK is filled with opportunity's and everything is easy.

Nobody said that, and neither did I. I said that COMPARED TO POLAND, the UK is a veritable land of milk and honey, and that no matter how bad things may seem in England, they are a helluva lot worse in Poland, especially for 20-year-old unqualified, uneducated, inexperienced and unskilled laborers.
Meathead 5 | 470
4 Mar 2014 #27
Your employment opportunities are in English speaking countries unless you are highly skilled, highly educated or married to a local.
Xromium 2 | 21
8 Mar 2014 #28
Yes i agree it probably was a RIDICULOUS thread but somebody needs to ask.

Not a ridiculous thread - as you can see it produced a host of useful info that no 'professional' would have been able to give you. Best to sift through the advice above and see how best to use it - the opportunities in Poland may be crap - but give it a go, with plenty of risk aversion ... Poland is still a great place - unfortunately there is a whole generation here that gives us the creeps....
Bradbury School
16 Jul 2015 #29
Hi Anto,

Could you please send me your CV with a recent photograph and covering letter. I'm willing to possibly give
you a chance and sufficient training to get you started. I actually respect your courage and you're only 20 years old. I'm sure
I can mould you into something of self worth. You sound like you're willing to learn, so, I look forward to meeting you :-)

Tel: 0048-668001075
Email: info@bradburyschool.com / angol@email.com
Address: Bielawska 16, Konstancin Jeziorna, 05-520.
eh?
16 Jul 2015 #30
whats with Polish (and german) employers or uk expats in Poland asking for a cv photo? Whats someone's appearance got to do with their ability to get a job done ?

It usually leads to rejection anyways
orchard.co.uk/Blog/What-do-you-think-when-you-receive-a-CV-with-a-profile-photo-2175.aspx


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