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Poland is not the best country to get part time job with study?


Braveheart16 18 | 272
15 Jan 2018 #31
@ DominicB

If you don't speak Polish or Ukrainian, then no. Make your plans on the very safe assumption that you will never be able to earn a single penny during your stay in Poland. If you need to work to finance your studies or stay, then Poland is not the country for you.[/i]
I think it may be a good idea to ask the post whether he/she can speak Polish or Ukrainian and perhaps offer some support to his/her request......not sure why you are so abrasive to someone you have never met. Think you need to be a little more respectful to strangers who after studies, actually could have something to contribute to Poland's economy, because it may just be something which could eventually kick start the standard of living for many. I am sure you will agree that if you want to get on in life you need to speculate to accumulate, and moving abroad for many is the way forward. You may disagree but then we are all different and entitled to be heard and anybody is as equal as you when posting on this site.
DominicB - | 2,709
15 Jan 2018 #32
There was nothing disrespectful or abrasive in what I said, and the advice I gave was the best advice she's going to get. The OP is from India, so the chance that she speaks either Polish or Ukrainian is microscopically low. Yes, to get on in live you do need to speculate, but there is little point in coming to a country where the chances of ever finding work are remote to the extreme. That would just be plain stupid, and there is nothing wrong in pointing that out.
Bieganski 17 | 901
15 Jan 2018 #33
strangers who after studies, actually could have something to contribute to Poland's economy, because it may just be something which could eventually kick start the standard of living for many.

You mean kick start the standard of living for the non-EU migrants in question.
jon357 67 | 16,836
15 Jan 2018 #34
offer some support to his/her request.

Some here would be surprised at how many students who don't speak Polish are working, especially in larger cities.

The poster in question has 'views' on immigration. His 'views' are however irrelevant, since the number of overseas students in Poland increases year on year.
mafketis 24 | 9,144
16 Jan 2018 #35
students who don't speak Polish are working, especially in larger cities

As a bonus for employers they don't understand their rightt and be unable to seek redress if they're ripped off.

We all have 'views' on immigration, yours prioritize the creation of non-Polish (in ethnicity, language and culture) minorities in Poland. To what end?
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Jan 2018 #36
As a bonus for employers they don't understand their rightt and be unable to seek redress if they're ripped off.

There's no redress anyway under normal conditions for studenty jobs.

yours prioritize

There you go again. Poland is increasingly a destination for oveseas students, whether it fits in with your insecurities or not.
DominicB - | 2,709
16 Jan 2018 #37
We all have 'views' on immigration

I wasn't talking about immigration at all. Exceedingly few of the students and workers from third-world countries have any intention of settling in Poland. They are all focused on getting into the rich countries of western Europe, particularly the UK. Very few of the students will complete their degrees once they discover that those degrees are not worth much in terms of getting a job in richer countries. Most will either return home or migrate, legally or illegally, to greener pastures at the first opportunity. This is particularly true for those who cannot afford to finance their studies and stay in Poland without working.

Out of the several hundred Indian students who start studies in Poland this year, more than half will be gone before a year is up, and a small fraction will stay long enough to actually earn a degree, predominantly those who can afford to pay and who study engineering fields. The rest are getting scammed to provide discretionary cash for university rectors, who couldn't care less about the drop out rate among third-world students who are going to return home broke and broken or abscond to greener pastures anyway. It doesn't harm then any as there will always be an abundant supply of gullible and desperate third-worlders to fleece the next academic year.

Only a handful, at best, will learn Polish and stay beyond the five-year mark to settle. As long as employment opportunities and wages in the west are so much higher than in Poland, Poland will remain a country that draws little in the way of immigration, except from the Ukraine and Belarus (and, weirdly, a tiny number of Poles and descendants of Poles, primarily, but not only, from the US, of a markedly conservative bent who want to move to a country that is practically devoid of immigrants). Third-worlders will continue to view Poland solely as a back door or stepping stone to better opportunities in the west.

Jon doesn't seem to realize that a poor Indian family has to go through hell to raise the money to send their child to study in Poland. They take a second or third mortgage on the family farm, sell what little belongings they have, take out criminally extortionary loans, sell themselves into indentured servitude, prostitute themselves and their other children, and even sell kidneys. To assure them that doing so is a good idea on the extremely remote chance that their kid will find a job to finance the rest is very irresponsible, as is assuring them that a degree from an English-language course at a Polish university is worth anything on the job market. A lot of these kids will have to go home and explain to their parents that the family fortune has been totally wiped out. Or make their way to Calais to sneak aboard a truck bound for the UK. The livelihood of a lot of people are at risk, and studying in Poland for a degree that no employer values is too great a risk to take with stakes so high. Might as well spend the money on lottery tickets.
mafketis 24 | 9,144
16 Jan 2018 #38
Jon doesn't seem to care as long as it makes Poland just a teeny less... Polish.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Jan 2018 #39
Interesting that two posters spend a lot of time trying to deter people with dark skin and different religions from coming to Poland.

The cold hard facts (I write as someone who works as an academic manager in a university, sending postgraduates to study in, among other places, Poland) is that more and more overseas students come to universities in Poland, the strength and visibility of those courses is growing, and all participate in the ECTS scheme and their degrees are validated by the Polish Ministry of Education.

And yes, more and more students work part-time during their studies.
DominicB - | 2,709
16 Jan 2018 #40
I discourage anyone of any skin color or religion from coming to Poland.

And the cold hard fact is that the number of foreign non-Ukranian students coming to Poland has taken a nosedive, not least because they have caught on that studying in Poland is a waste of time and money, that there are far fewer jobs available for them since the Ukrainians started coming, and also because the Polish government has cut back on offering student visas, probably under pressure from western European countries.

Put your money where your mouth is. If you don't personally have a job to offer these poor suckers, then don't make empty promises that have no grounding in reality.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Jan 2018 #41
I discourage anyone of any skin color or religion from coming to Poland.

Not working, is it, given that year on year the number of people who come to study is increasing.

the number of foreign non-Ukranian students coming to Poland has taken a nosediv

Rubbish. As you've been told, it's increasing hugely. The government in Poland see this as a priority, hence the increase in degree courses taught in English.

It looks like facts are not very important to you.
mafketis 24 | 9,144
16 Jan 2018 #42
the increase in degree courses taught in English.

Of what quality? I guess it doesn't matter as long as they dutifully dump the contents of the parent's savings accounts in some 'university's bank account.

Education in English when that's not the language of the country is usually kind of crap.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Jan 2018 #43
Of what quality?

Accredited by the Ministry of Education, within the established framework of the European Credit Transfer Scheme. Many who do undergraduate degrees are going on o postgraduate study elsewhere in Europe.

Education in English when that's not the language of the country is usually kind of crap

Not in Poland...

Anyway, as you've noticed and forgotten or ignored, the topic of the thread is part-time work for students, something that is increasing in Poland.
mafketis 24 | 9,144
16 Jan 2018 #44
the topic of the thread is part-time work for students

For starvation wages (and no legal protections!) Yay? Poland really needs a low-wage no-rights working underclass? I understand that's normal in the UK but Poland? Not soooooo convinced that's sucher good idea.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Jan 2018 #45
Poland really needs a low-wage no-rights working underclass?

It's got one already and has since 1989.
mafketis 24 | 9,144
16 Jan 2018 #46
since 1989.

So the whole "Con foreign students into taking up 'studies' in Poland" is really a cover "let's try to keep wages for Polish people artificially low by importing in low information people who'll have to take what they can get".

That makes some sense at least (at least from the point of view of dishonest employers) while none of the rest of the stuff you cite does.
DominicB - | 2,709
16 Jan 2018 #47
For starvation wages (and no legal protections!)

More like for no wages and no legal protection, as more than 70 Indian students hired by Ubereats found out. The were hired on garbage contracts that specified that the would be payed richly, but only when they completed 12 days of work, and were let go on the 11th. Empty handed. After working 12 hours, six days a week for (almost) two weeks.

Here's a link to the thread they started on this forum:

https://polishforums.com/work/poland-fraudulent-job-situation-81012/#msg1589211

A third-worlder that doesn't speak a word of Polish (and practically none of them do) can sooner expect to be scammed like this that land anything that resembles a real job with real pay. No one is going to hire a third-worlder when there are plenty of Ukrainians lined up to take any job the second it becomes available.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Jan 2018 #48
So the whole "Con foreign students into taking up 'studies' in Poland" is really a cover

That's something of a leap, Maf, since nobody is 'conned' and employers have nothing to do with it.

Ubereats

I wouldn't work with something like Uber. Some of you however have a far smaller range of employment choices.
DominicB - | 2,709
16 Jan 2018 #49
employers have nothing to do with it.

That's true. It's the schools who are doing the conning. The employers are just gnawing on the bones of the unfortunate victims.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Jan 2018 #50
It's the schools who are doing the conning

No, Dominic, you are wrong again.
Wulkan - | 3,249
16 Jan 2018 #51
Some of you however have a far smaller range of employment choices.

Some of us employ instead, not everybody likes the idea of having a boss for the whole life, but certain minority group of people have submissiveness in their blood.

It's the schools who are doing the conning.

Indeed, it's a very lucrative business. A lot of foreigners have been scammed.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Jan 2018 #52
it's a very lucrative business.

Education can be, though not in Poland.

but certain minority group of people have submissiveness in their blood.

Do you? Thanks for sharing.
Wulkan - | 3,249
17 Jan 2018 #53
Education can be, though not in Poland.

Exactly, that's why the conning is common in Poland.

Do you?

I had your minority group on my mind.
jon357 67 | 16,836
17 Jan 2018 #54
Exactly, that's why the conning is common in Poland.

Don't run Poles down - not all are dishonest. In academic life, most people are even rigorously respectable.

I had your minority group on my mind.

Not being part of one (unlike yourself), your 'mind' is as ever an irrelevance.

And year on year, more people come to study in Poland, and work while they study. Some even settle down afterwards.
Abhijith
28 May 2018 #55
@Suraj
Hi
Am looking for mba in Poland . Is there any part time jobs avilable?
Amit Mehlawat - | 2
23 Jan 2019 #56
Wow I literally read what everyone was saying and the hate for third world country people is real. I dont know what we guys did to deserve it. I was thinking of doing MBA from there and finance my own studies but read somewhere else that non-EU students can work for only 3 months that July, August and September which is just absurd. I dont belong from a very rich family but we have a pretty decent lifestyle and standard of living. Now I m not sure if I even want to come there. I m a post graduate in my country and people often move to another country in hopes of having a decent or better lifestyle than what they currently have thats how globalisation works but some people dont like this idea so they might as well build walls around border so no one can go in.
jon357 67 | 16,836
23 Jan 2019 #57
the hate for third world country people is real

Sadly real on here though in real life most people are a rather less unhinged.

Plenty work legally all year round.

thats how globalisation works

Long may it continue and increase!
Amit Mehlawat - | 2
27 Jan 2019 #58
How are they working legally for more than 3 months when all I m seeing everywhere on internet that on student visa you are only allowed to work for just 3 months? I was thinking of applying there as its not costly and I can manage it with my own funds saved but now I m exoloring other countries like Australia but I might have to take a loan or something for that which I dont want to as I dont want to be in debt for my whole life just to have a decent life style.
jon357 67 | 16,836
27 Jan 2019 #59
Have a look at a forum for Indians in Poland. There are several (I put links to 3 of them here on this forum once; they should be still here somewhere). The people there are probably the best people to answer your question about the legal aspects of students' part-time work.

I can confirm though that that there are overseas students (including from India) who work all year round. Many for UberEats and similar. Perhaps they do it as self-employed, perhaps not, perhaps there are exceptions for part-time work, perhaps not.


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