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Average salary to live&work in Wrocław? Local Credit Suisse opinions.


louay
30 Nov 2014 #1
Knowing that I will be there along with my wife and daughter whom I'm planning to put it in an English school?
DominicB - | 2,709
1 Dec 2014 #3
planning to put it in an English school?

If you will not be making at least 9000 PLN a month AFTER TAXES, that is 13000 PLN gross, then it would hardly be worth moving to Poland with a wife and kid that needs to go to an English school. Cost of living in Poland for foreigners is a lot higher for foreigners than for native Poles, and it is extremely unlikely that your spouse will be able to find work.

For a more detailed answer, tell us where you are from (citizenship), what are your education, qualifications and experience, what job you are applying for/have been offered, and how much they are offering, if they have. Also, how old your kid is.
Pau86
9 Dec 2014 #4
Hi everyone, my name is Pau, 28 years old, coming from Catalunya and looking for a job in Wroclaw.
Credit Suisse offered me a position as Junior Financial Controller, the salary would be more or less 3.900/4.000 zl net. What do you think about it?

Would it be enough to live well in Poland?
I'd probably move together with my gf, so I'd share a flat with her.
TY and regards
Pau
Monitor 14 | 1,820
9 Dec 2014 #5
It's OK if you don't have to pay for family or save money. If your girlfriend will be sharing costs of apartments then it's even better:
Pau86
9 Dec 2014 #6
No family, of course I would like to save something in case of emergency.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
10 Dec 2014 #7
What puzzles me is why Credit Suisse cannot find a Junior Financial Controller among the high number of unemployed in Wrocław, and instead hire a foreign national.
Pau86
10 Dec 2014 #8
What do you mean? In your opinion only poles are eligible to work for Credit Suisse in Wro?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
10 Dec 2014 #9
I asked a question, as you're not a local in Wrocław I'm surprised that you feel you can answer. But perhaps you can. So if you have knowledge of why there were no suitable local applicants for the role apparently offered to you by CS then post them here as I'd be very interested to know why the local workforce could not meet CS's needs in respect of a role that sounds very unspecialised.
Pau86
10 Dec 2014 #10
Ok, it's clear now. Maybe because I've got 1 yr experience in the role of junior controller.
Anyway do you think that it could be a good salary or should I ask for more?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
10 Dec 2014 #11
It's probably a salary that quite a few local JFCs would like.

I'd have to assume that someone recruited from Singapore would be needed for Mandarin (assuming it's in demand, I've never seen an ad here requesting it) or another language in demand apart from English, because to the best of my knowledge there's no shortage of JFCs with several years of experience locally who can speak English as well as their native Polish (and even German or French).

Of course, you could be a troll. And frankly I'd be happy if you are, because it's my view that it's completely unacceptable for any local employer to recruit outside of Poland for a role that a Poland resident would do for the same money.

Having been to local firms and met nationals from other countries, I had assumed they were doing software development jobs where there's a skills shortage locally. Unless I am totally confusing the role of Junior (and Senior) Financial Controller, it is not a post where experienced applicants are few.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
10 Dec 2014 #12
It seems quite a good salary for a Junior. But you could read these reports:
glassdoor.com/Salary/Credit-Suisse-Wroclaw-Salaries-EI_IE3141.0,13_IL.14,21_IM1102.htm

hays.pl/cs/groups/hays_common/documents/digitalasset/hays_465124.pdf ( from 2011 so add 10%)
qbusiness.pl/uploads/Raporty/jllbpo2013.pdf
gazetapraca.pl/gazetapraca/0,74897.html

@inWrocław: Most likely they needed somebody speaking perfect Spanish.
Pau86
10 Dec 2014 #13
TY Monitor.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
10 Dec 2014 #14
@inWrocław: Most likely they needed somebody speaking perfect Spanish.

Even if from Catalonia (the poster here is not), in Poland there are a good few JFCs who speak Spanish. The relocation bill (if any) for hiring someone from Lublin, or Gdansk, or another town where salaries are less than Wrocław's, would surely not exceed that of relocating someone from another country. Quite apart from that, here in Wrocław I have seen far too much of this as it is, not at CS but other firms. They are probably given tax incentives to set up shop in Poland and hire locals, yet their sites have head scratchingly large numbers of foreign national "managers" or whatever other "specialist roles" from their home country or elsewhere (in their hundreds if not thousands) and far fewer local Polish workers than should be the case. This seems to me to say that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
10 Dec 2014 #15
Even if from Catalonia (the poster here is not)

but he wrote

Hi everyone, my name is Pau, 28 years old, coming from Catalunya

and wiki says: "Katalonia (kat. Catalunya [kətəˈɫuɲə], hiszp. Cataluña, oksytański Catalonha) "

The relocation bill (if any) for hiring someone from Lublin, or Gdansk, or another town where salaries are less than Wrocław's, would surely not exceed that of relocating someone from another country.

But any Spanish financial controllers working elsewhere in Polnad could be not willing to move.

They are probably given tax incentives to set up shop in Poland and hire locals, yet their sites have head scratchingly large numbers of foreign national "managers" or whatever other "specialist roles" from their home country or elsewhere (in their hundreds if not thousands) and far fewer local Polish workers than should be the case. This seems to me to say that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Still it's good for the economy, because their workers pay taxes in Poland.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
10 Dec 2014 #16
Catalunya

It doesn't matter whether he comes from Catalunya (Singapore) or Catalonia, I don't agree with importing foreign labour except where strictly necessary. I said the same in the UK, by the way. I have heard all the "best person for the job" arguments and I think it's hard to believe. Firms should recruit from the local workforce for all but the most specialist roles or where economics may dictate otherwise. It is hard to be persuaded that it is cheaper to hire someone from abroad than from within Poland for this sort of role. Let locals earn and pay taxes locally, there's no special advantage to foreign labour doing that (and foreign labour often send their wages out of a country anyway).

There were many raised eyebrows in the UK when a firm there only advertised jobs in Poland and not in the UK (presumably because they wanted to pay less). Locals rightly felt shut out, by the way. But it actually should be illegal to hire anyone from abroad (ie to relocate them especially) for a job not on the official skills shortage list. If you can now produce that list and show me that it says JFCs are on it, I shall probably decide that I am asleep and this is a rather unpleasant dream about globalisation gone mad.
Pau86
10 Dec 2014 #17
First of all I really can't understand why a troll should write and making questions on such forum, anyway you can think what you prefer, no problem.

Then I really can't understand what's strange in hiring people from abroad, I know that in Barcelona many employees are from abroad and the same is in UK, Ireland, Germany, and so on...
Monitor 14 | 1,820
10 Dec 2014 #18
It doesn't matter whether he comes from Catalunya (Singapore) or Catalonia

It matters, because then the company has to prove that they cannot find suitable candidate from within EU. So basically you disagree with EU idea of single work market. Without the single work market, it would be as you want. Permit would be needed to employ foreigner.

IMHO even if I could agree with you in some extent, I don't think that employing foreigners for more than average salary is something wrong. The more people earning over average the more specialists working in the economy. Problem would be if such companies were hiring foreign graduates instead of schooling local. But I don't think this is the problem. I guess that in case of graduates employed from abroad it's always about language competencies unavailable in Poland.

@Paul: so where are you from :) ?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
10 Dec 2014 #19
Then I really can't understand what's strange in hiring people from abroad, I know that in Barcelona many employees are from abroad and the same is in UK, Ireland, Germany, and so on...

Because we're not short of JFCs here, that's why.
In the UK, we're short of early morning sandwich makers and cleaners in hotels, and so many foreign nationals take those roles. We're also short of some specialist app developers in Ireland and maybe the UK, ditto. We would not likely, in the UK, recruit abroad whether in Spain or Singapore or Paris or Las Vegas for a junior financial controller when we have our own. Even if it's for Spanish or Mandarin language skills, I can assure you there are plenty of Poles who speak Spanish. I hear them on the bus, and yes they are Poles. I'm almost positive that in the length and breadth of Poland there's a JFC who can speak Spanish and would like to increase their wages by working in a big city. There's probably even one somewhere who can speak Mandarin, because this is not a tiny island.
Pau86
10 Dec 2014 #20
But consider that CS is an international company, probably they've got no problems to hire people from different countries. I think that a manufacturing company would never hire a foreigner employee, but it is my thought.

I'm from Girona, Spain. :)
Niko
10 Dec 2014 #21
Hi Pau,

You realize that the salary offered is less than EUR 1000 right? That's rather tight, so unless you're specifically interested in an experience in Poland I'd suggest you look for something else.

In the UK, we're short of early morning sandwich makers and cleaners in hotels, and so many foreign nationals take those roles.

I think you're the one trolling here.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
10 Dec 2014 #22
You obviously know fairly little about local wages.
Niko
10 Dec 2014 #23
You're obviously wrong because I've hired people in Wroclaw, paid their ZUS and taxes.

The OP question does not relate to whether it's fair if CS hires a Spanish citizen or whether the salary is in line with standard local wages.

Pau wants to know if he can have a decent life with his girlfriend with 900 EUR a month. The answer is rather no, unless he's specifically attracted to Poland.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
10 Dec 2014 #24
You're Wrocław's outstanding remunerating employer are you? Must be a path beaten to your front door then. If you read Monitor's comments about salaries, I concur fully with that, and my knowledge of local salaries was sharpened considerably in the past 3 months. Despite some wage growth, the wage suggested by Pau86 is not inferior. Quite the opposite. As you pay so much, perhaps he should apply to your firm, so maybe PM him with your better offer and fight it out with CS.

As for whether that salary is viable, that's open to debate, I agree. Poland is more expensive than people realise. It would be a case of cutting one's cloth according to one's means rather than lavish.
Niko
10 Dec 2014 #25
You're Wrocław's outstanding remunerating employer are you? Must be a path beaten to your front door then.

No worries dude, I'm not sensitive to your sarcastic remarks and you're free to believe what you want.

As for whether that salary is viable, that's open to debate, I agree.

I didn't want to say more than that.
pigsy 7 | 305
10 Dec 2014 #26
Poland is more expensive than people realise.

I fully agree with that.
Pau86
10 Dec 2014 #27
Anyway my answer was related to my salary, because my gf would have her own salary as well, we still don't know the amount but she's having interviews. She's graduated and her mom is from Poland, so she can speak polish well.

Probably her salary would be lower than mine, but we're gonna share our expenses, I wanted only to know if it's possible to live well with 3.900/4.000 zl/month sharing the expenses of the flat. :)
noga
8 Aug 2015 #28
Merged: Anyone here work in Credit Suisse in Wrocław? Feedback about this company.

i need to know people's feedback about credit suisee company, about environment, salary, people, .... ,if anyone know anything about this company please reply. :)
drdre815 - | 4
8 Aug 2015 #29
Ni I don't know anything about it,have you tried their help line?
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8 Aug 2015 #30
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