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Pulaski Day (celebrated in the US only)


pawian 176 | 13,997
4 Apr 2019 #31
General Casimir Pulaski Was Female

So far we have known Copernicus was a female! Now Pułaski. Great. The whole Polish history must be abolished.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,182
4 Apr 2019 #32
we have known Copernicus was a female

Have we? Right, "Seksmisja" was a very good film, indeed!

[I shall remind you that your Polish identity has been questioned on this forum by one American and one British troll, in which case you would certainly not know this popular quote from the once very popular Polish film.]

Seriously speaking though, Pulaski - according to the above mentioned research - seems to have been born female, but his body was later heavily masculinized due to a condition known as hyperactivity of the adrenal gland.
Lyzko 29 | 7,094
4 Apr 2019 #33
Oughtn't it then be the PulaskA Day Parade??
LOL
pawian 176 | 13,997
4 Apr 2019 #34
according to the above mentioned research - seems to have been born female

Somebody might make the whole story into a crazy comedy of errors. :):) We need more films like that.
jon357 66 | 16,142
6 Apr 2019 #35
Merged:

Was Poland's Kazimierz Pulaski a woman?



There's a surprise. Emilia Plater the mannish and genderbending Polish lady soldier is well enough known, as is the great Count Fredro, however now it looks like she might now be joined by another transgender LGBTQI+ Pole!

Researchers have examined remains believed to be Pulaski's and used skeletal evidence to document the case that Pulaski, who lived as a man, may have been a woman or an intersex individual

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/04/06/revolutionary-wars-casimir-pulaski-likely-woman-intersex-research/3381409002/
Ironside 50 | 10,810
6 Apr 2019 #36
Emilia Plater the mannish and genderbending

Nah, that some gibberish she was neither. She was aide-de-camp that happened to cheerlead some or other charge. A poet and a legend made it much more that it was.

he great Count Fredro

Who? do you mean Capitan Fredro that poet? He wasn't a woman for goodness sake, that just nonsense.

e case that Pulaski, who lived as a man, may have been a woman or an intersex individual

Have they run out of research money and are looking to scam some ideologically obsessed people? Good on them. Sober people do not need to take a part in that charade.
mafketis 24 | 8,877
6 Apr 2019 #37
another transgender LGBTQI+ Pole!

nonsense those are modern identities that people of the time would not recognize nor necessarily feel any affinity for...

my own idea is that this is part of the ideological war of erasing Europe's past... depsicable and (I bet) lousy science.
jon357 66 | 16,142
6 Apr 2019 #38
those are modern identities

Not that modern. Emilia Plater dressed as a man, and it seems that Kazimierz Pulaski (I wonder what her real name was) may have pretended to be one. Those identities certainly existed then, had names and were usually criminalised; there are records of trials and contemporary accounts of the lifestyle. It existed and there is hard proof of that.

Who? do you mean Capitan Fredro that poet?

Count Fredro the playwright. He dressed as a woman and more besides.

my own idea is that this is part of the ideological war of erasing

Cobblers.
jon357 66 | 16,142
7 Apr 2019 #39
I wonder if she should now be referred to as Kazimierza Pulaska...

Of course Kazimera rather than Kazimierza. A lot of street names in PL could need changing.
mafketis 24 | 8,877
7 Apr 2019 #40
there was a dna analysis, if he were female it would have shown up there.... best bet is that he was male with some outlier secondary characteristics more typical of females
Shitonya Brits
7 Apr 2019 #41
I wonder if she should now be referred to as Kazimierza Pulaska...

Do you prefer to go by Joan or Joanne?

Of course Kazimera rather than Kazimierza

Of course, a true Pole would never have made such a simple mistake and need to correct it :)

best bet is that he was male with some outlier secondary characteristics more typical of females

Such as drawings and paintings of Pulaski with a receding hairline and full mustache?
mafketis 24 | 8,877
7 Apr 2019 #42
Intersex. The I in LGBTQI...

Where does the A go? Shouldn't there be and A in there somewhere?

What does the dna say? Unless there's no Y then... this is hype for headlines and not a real story...
jon357 66 | 16,142
7 Apr 2019 #43
Where does the A go?

On my school report.

this is hype for headlines and not a real story...

It's certainly a real story, and an interesting one.
Shitonya Brits
7 Apr 2019 #44
Was Poland's Kazimierz Pulaski a woman?

This is just Cultural Marxist propaganda.

Only last year all of Britain was fall over themselves while celebrating that their "first Briton" (aka "Cheddar man") was black. That was soon debunked but the debunking didn't get nearly the amount of hyper-attention that the first published lie did.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
7 Apr 2019 #45
another transgender LGBTQI+ Pole!

And one that is perhaps one of the most well known Europeans in American history!
jon357 66 | 16,142
7 Apr 2019 #46
A remarkable woman.
mafketis 24 | 8,877
7 Apr 2019 #47
You're just descending to Rich and Dirk level now... there's sometimes not that much difference between you...
jon357 66 | 16,142
7 Apr 2019 #48
You're just descending to Rich and Dirk level now

I doubt that's physically possible.

Cross dressing and genderbending was surprisingly common among the Eighteenth Century's wealthy. The Chevalier D'Eon is the best known example, there are a few notable military and scientific men who turned out to have been biologically female, and the famous Warsaw resident Casanova was known to slip a frock on now and again...
Ironside 50 | 10,810
7 Apr 2019 #49
You're just descending to Rich and Dirk level now... there's sometimes not that much difference between you...

Right? Hence they get alone so well like two pairs of twins playing table tennis.

Cross dressing and genderbending

Who cares? Is that even interesting? They have been recognized for something entirely different than their 'fun' activities.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,182
7 Apr 2019 #50
there was a dna analysis, if he were female it would have shown up there....

I think I have explained it a few posts earlier (post #32). The proposed explanation was:

he was born female, but his body was later heavily masculinized due to a condition known as hyperactivity of the adrenal gland

If you read the article, you would see they mentioned some mitochondrial dna analysis which revealed he was female (this was also supported by some characteristics of his/her bones).

The phenomenon is well known in medicine. The person affected was in the past more often referred to as hermaphrodite, today we tend to term such a person as an intersex person. Such a condition may have several reasons, one of them is attributed to the said hyperactivity of the adrenal gland which is responsible for the high levels of androgens at the early stage of human development (foetus). Nothing sensational about it really except for the fact that Pulaski is a well-known historical figure.

In legal terms, Kazimierz Pułaski will always remain a man and nothing is going to change that. Also, it is pretty certain that he considered himself male rather than female.
jon357 66 | 16,142
7 Apr 2019 #51
Who cares? Is that even interesting?

Yes. It is a part of history that people are interested in.
Miloslaw 8 | 2,407
8 Apr 2019 #52
Also, it is pretty certain that he considered himself male rather than female.

He did.But he was well aware that something was "Not quite right",but also that it was well beyond the understanding of people at the time.
Cargo pants 2 | 641
25 May 2019 #53
Merged:

Polish general who fought with Washington may have been female



I be damn!
theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/06/casimir-pulaski-polish-general-woman-intersex


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