US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński

That's probably the same people, anyway :)

I love this one.

So the Poles who have settled in the UK and Ireland in the last 7 years or so were all motivated by altruism?

Clearly you can not be talking about me: I wasn't born in Britain (and neither were my parents) and I came to Poland to do voluntary work at the invitation of the Polish government. But do feel free to tell us all about all the wonderful things you do for Poland.

Hear! Hear! Poland is a republic and republics are governed by the representatives of the people chosen by citizens of that country regardless of where they currently find themselves residing on this green earth. The stupid British system that disenfranchises its own citizens is wrong. Sidliste Chodov, if you are really of Polish descent you should be ashamed of yourself for aping the anti-Polonian slurs of these backwards monarchist morons. British mindrot is a sad thing to behold.

Are you not a British citizen? Are you ashamed of your nationality?
Did you not receive a paycheck from Poles?
Why would we give voting rights to the random individuals who come here for money or other selfish reasons?

I wonder how long you will be allowed to get away with substituting insults for argumentation.


It is not where they find themselves to be: it is where they choose to be. They choose to reject Poland, soon Poland will choose to reject them.


I have more than one citizenship and qualify for several others.


90zl per week. A total amount which is repaid many times over each year by the taxes I choose to pay in Poland.


Why do Poles expect to be given voting rights when they move to other countries for money or other selfish reasons? And why do some 'Poles' think that as well as getting those rights they should maintain the same rights in the country which they abandoned money or other selfish reasons?

You talking to me?

Monarchist morons.......lmfao, I cant remember the last time I ever met a Monarchist,unless you count the late princess (make mine a large one)margaret....

Come to think of it, neither can I.


Was she as dreadful as they say?

Why are you ashamed of being call British? Does it have something to do with British betrayal of Poland? If so, then I could refer to you as a citizen of that other state.


So, I'm sure you had many offers but you chose the lowest paying?
You do not choose to pay taxes in Poland. You have to do so under Polish law. You could move out of Poland and if you still paid to Polish fiskus the taxes you are paying now, then I would personally lobby for your right to vote in Polish elections.

Teflcat, I feel sorry for you because you think you need to do more than exist as a citizen of your nation to be given the right to vote. What has made you take this servile attitude towards your own government? Poles and others with self respect know that governments exist because the people deign to let them exist. Someday soon we may even get rid of governments all together.

Maybe because he isnt British? I dunno,why wouldnt you like to be called Algerian?


Lols, Universaly loathed,even the two little old ladies from the tea shop came away devout republicans :)

anyhoo,whats this thread about again? Someone having a pis in the us?

I just knew we had to have something in common.

Aha, you see,we had a few little things called revolutions and a republic too you know Dessi,come on,you know this stuff really.

So, what we do is have a bunch of people playing at being top dog much as your Pres' is in reality only playing at being top dog,he,like Queenie,or King Chuck when he gets his turn can do sweet fanny Adams without it being democraticaly approved by the democraticaly elected representatives of the people.

And thats all of em, black,white and purple,something the good ole USA didnt get round too untill a few years before I was born. So, in short, glass houses dont make great spots for stone throwing practice.

Yes, but one can very easily, and entirely legally, take the amount of taxes down to a level far below that which I currently pay.


How surprising to see you putting forward such an entirely selfish attitude. Those of us who live in Poland are very grateful that Poles are not as utterly focused on their own selves as self-identified members of Polonia are. Poles work together for the good of Poland and know that it is their duty to do that. They understand that with rights come responsibilities. This is one of the many reasons why Poles have so little time for those who reject Poland with their actions but claim Poland with their words.


It will be a day much sooner when people who reject Poland are stripped of their right to vote in Polish elections.

Isthatu, I am objecting specifically to the posters on this thread that are arguing that Poland should adopt the British practice of disenfranchising its citizens that live abroad. I do not deny that Britain is for the most part a representational democracy.

Those people turned their backs on Poland, renounced their allegiance to Poland and refuse to do anything to assist Poland: they reject their responsibilities, Poland will reject their attempts to exercise their rights.

In that case Dessi, crack on, with you hundred percent :)
Just note, monarchists,in the blind sense,ie for "England ,Harry and St George" are a wee bit thin on the ground.
Most of us sort of tolerate them,get a bit anoyed at them then look at other countries presidents and think at least we dont have to bother voting for these clowns and then suffer the let down that always follows :)

Then shouldn't we have a separate rule in the Polish voting bill that explicitly refuses British people any right to vote in Polish elections, under any circumstances?

Polish citizens that live abroad should not lose the right to vote in Polish elections. PWEI, your truncating my statement to make it say the opposite, and placing my name before it, in your post #61 above shows you to be an honorless edit .

How nice of you to once again demonstrate your masterly debating skills. However, might I draw your attention to the rules of this forum:


Your posts in this thread are littered with both insults and personal attacks. I fear that you may soon find that in the same way that certain people can not come to Europe, certain people are not permitted to post here.


The majority of Poles do not agree with you and soon the wishes of Poles on this matter will be respected.


a) Your logic is entirely flawed: British people who choose to live in Poland and to assist Poland are the exact opposite of the traitors who reject Poland.

b) Poland does not allow anybody who does not hold Polish citizenship to vote in elections for the Polish parliament.
c) Poland is legally required to allow all EU nationals to vote in local elections in Poland (although very few of us do).

Do you have any proof of that or is that your usual lie?


Our mutual history shows that British people:


So while it's true that they now cannot vote while not beign citizens, in the spirit of your post they should be also banned from voting even when being citizens.

Have a look at the words of Poles: wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/polonia-w-usa-juz-oddala-glosy,1,35463 94,wiadomosc.html


No matter how many times you tell your favourite little lie, it will not become true. But do feel free to keep spouting Nazi propaganda.

mafketis wrote:


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Anyone who has lived here for more than than 2 years or so and has been away from home: should be prevented from voting. NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION!!!!

Two years is too short a period. I'd favour something more like ten years (less if the person in question takes up citizenship of a foreign country).

This thread illustrates perfectly why the US Polonia should never be allowed near a Polish election.

You can't blame them. Poland is a horrible country to live in and the USA is 1000 times better. The truth hurts.

Please keep thinking that: our country is far better off without the likes of you in it.

Yes, whatever makes you sleep at night. :-)