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Not everyone that lives or comes from America is RICH!


guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Nov 2010 #61
Why are you............ editing posts................with lots...........of full stops..........you twat?

Just to pee off your dumb, underachieving English a** having to live in Poland, being unable to make it in your own country. Poor little lowlife.
convex 20 | 3,978
17 Nov 2010 #62
What do you mean "make it"? Some people are quite successful in one country and decide to move to another for a variety of reasons. Falling in love, new business opportunities, experiencing a new culture, to be close to family... The good majority of us live here by choice, we weren't exiled to Poland...I'd take that a step further and say that it takes quite a bit more effort to "make it" in a new country than in your home country.
cheehaw 2 | 263
17 Nov 2010 #63
All over the world, people think Americans are rich. Even in the USA, certain groups of people also like to think (white) Americans are all rich.

It's important that they convince themselves of this, even if it's erroneous. That is how the dollar is stolen, via taxes, from impoverished americans who can barely feed and clothe their kids by well-to-do israelis and poles and everyone else with a hand out waiting for a handout from the USA.

If they knew that a huge percentage of (white) Americans live in poverty they might feel a twinge of conscience, so they continue to convince themselves and try to convince others that all americans are rich.

Obama and his wife and their spending sprees are excellent examples of the 'entitlement' mentality.

Here's the truth. when you get a loaf of bread for free, someone else did not get it. When you get that loaf of bread for free and did not even work a few minutes for it, yet the person whose bread you took worked all day, quite possibly for minimum wage, and cannot feed his own kids very well. He worked, but you ate the bread for free while you sat on your butt. His kids are hungry and you have the day off. You are such a good person.

There it is, that's the truth. It didn't feel good, did it? That's why people lie to themselves and tell each other americans are rich.
pgtx 30 | 3,156
17 Nov 2010 #64
I'd take that a step further and say that it takes quite a bit more effort to "make it" in a new country than in your home country.

i hear that often coming from Americans...
guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Nov 2010 #65
What do you mean "make it"? Some people are quite successful in one country and decide to move to another for a variety of reasons.

I agree to the "some people" but I lived in Poland for a while and I've met quite a few of those , "native speakers" (so called English teachers) and most of them were struggling like hell.

I won't tolerate one of them calling me names. If he can, I can call him names too.
convex 20 | 3,978
17 Nov 2010 #66
i hear that often coming from Americans...

Sure, as far as making money (and spending it), it's not that difficult in the US :)
f stop 25 | 2,513
17 Nov 2010 #67
I have a friend who is always broke, so I sat down with her to help her do her budget.
She makes $13/hr, and after adding up all of her bills like rent, electric, water, gas, phone, cable, car insurance, car payment, etc.. she has $200 a month left for food, fuel, clothes, entertainment and all other incidentals. Hardly enough, forget about saving anything. She will never get out of the hole she's in...
pgtx 30 | 3,156
17 Nov 2010 #68
being on PF for a while, I've "learned" few things from you pgtx, first of all, how to be "classy".
The only way to answer to some of you here.

classy...

She will never get out of the hole she's in...

she can get married to a rich guy... ;)
Marynka11 4 | 675
17 Nov 2010 #69
Sure, as far as making money (and spending it), it's not that difficult in the US :)

I only agree on the spending part.
convex 20 | 3,978
17 Nov 2010 #70
$13/hr is what, like $1700 take home (not including the rebate check at the end of the year...). Maybe time to cut a bit of that spending?
A J 4 | 1,088
17 Nov 2010 #71
Story of my life.

His kids are hungry and you have the day off. You are such a good person.

You know, I often hear people complain about not being able to pay their personel if they're going to demand a higher pay, but oddly enough they don't seem to have any problems with the fact that people like me pay taxes for their children, and their huge estates.

She makes $13/hr,

She makes more than me. I made 6 € an hour, in a country where the basic cost of living is far more expensive than it is in yours.

She will never get out of the hole she's in...

Hey, it took me about ten years to save up for my education, and I'm studying my way out of that situation now, so it's not entirely impossible. Maybe your friend should think about doing nightshifts, or working 80 hours a week? (Working weekends?) I know it sucks, but if she has a true friend in you and some mental support every once in a while, she might make it.

:)
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
17 Nov 2010 #72
Teffle wrote:

Go on - explain it, what does it "mean to be American" as opposed to being any other nationality?

not agreeing or disagreeing with anybody here, just choosing to comment on this for what it is.

The United States of America is a country like no other. No other country in the world has ever been anything remotely like it or has even a slightly similar history. This is not a matter of good, bad, better or worse. Just different. Very different.

and for that, "being any other nationality".......well......there's a difference.
cheehaw 2 | 263
17 Nov 2010 #73
$13/hr is what, like $1700 take home (not including the rebate check at the end of the year...). Maybe time to cut a bit of that spending?

you must be kidding. if the lady is driving to work everyday she'll need $20.00-40.00 per week simply for gas alone.

and then let's hope and pray the car keeps running and doesn't ever need any work.

I guess you are the kind of guy that figures once you've bought a pair of socks they'll last you a lifetime.

well, the USA is pretty much bankrupt as it is so the handouts from rich america will have to stop soon. As it is they are readying to simply print money to continue their agendas and pay their pensions to themselves. This way, all the welfare and public payroll recipients (including overseas recipients of american dollars) will still get their dollars. freshly printed and worth less by the hour. God bless ya with all that, literally, free and rather funny money.

I wonder what the world will do without all those free american dollars, we'll find out soon I guess. maybe they will get to work. History tells us the worst of them will probably try to rob, rape and pillage their neighbors instead. time will tell.

and just think, it all came about because americans are rich and and the world coveted their dollars.
Marynka11 4 | 675
17 Nov 2010 #74
If you are hard working and motivated you will make it anywhere. No doubt.

I disagree however with the claims that Americans are rich. Some of them are, that's true. But if you see how much debt some of them acquire, it's actually scary.

I find it's more about looking wealthy, rather than being wealthy. A good car, a big house makes them look successful. Nobody knows it's on credit.
grubas 12 | 1,390
17 Nov 2010 #75
She makes $13/hr, and after adding up all of her bills like rent, electric, water, gas, phone, cable, car insurance, car payment, etc.. she has $200 a month left for food, fuel, clothes, entertainment and all other incidentals. Hardly enough, forget about saving anything. She will never get out of the hole she's in...

BS,she just lives beyond her means and blows money away.Car payment?How about going to an auction and getting a decent vehicle for a couple of G's cash.?Whatever you ppl say,living in the US is much more comfortable for an average person than living in Poland.How about getting unemployement for 2 years?Can you get it in PL?And it's $400/week (MD),so it makes little sense for many to acctually take low paid job.

$13/hr is what, like $1700 take home (not including the rebate check at the end of the year...). Maybe time to cut a bit of that spending?

Exactly.Making $13/h I was taking home $421/week.You won't live in a mansion but it's enough to have a decent living and even put few $$$ aside every month.

The Americans will enjoy high standard of living as long as USD is being accepted worlwide,even though their standard of living is dropping and I don't see the new generation being able to afford "baby boomers" standard.
cheehaw 2 | 263
17 Nov 2010 #76
Exactly.Making $13/h I was taking home $421/week.You won't live in a mansion but it's enough to have a decent living and even put few $$$ aside every month.

I truly hope you get a nasty toothache and a big $$ dentist bill.

Then talk me about how much $$$ you stashed away this year.
convex 20 | 3,978
17 Nov 2010 #77
I truly hope you get a nasty toothache and a big $$ dentist bill.

I had one pulled in Austin a couple of years ago, paid cash, was under $100.

jollyvilledental.com

They come highly recommended. That's about the price of private care at the same level over here.
grubas 12 | 1,390
17 Nov 2010 #78
I truly hope you get a nasty toothache and a big $$ dentist bill.

You are not being very nice.Don't you have insurance?Hey, in the worst case scenario you can always use state subsidized dentist,it will cost you $40 a visit.And PL is not much cheaper,last time when I needed a bridge I paid PLN 3500.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Nov 2010 #79
besides, it's not like one's going to the dentist every day.
It's going to be always like this, the ones that got it made, will be happy and they ones that don't, will be bit*hing, oh well, such is life.
Marynka11 4 | 675
17 Nov 2010 #80
you can always use state subsidized dentist

How do you find the State subsidized dentist?

A few years ago I needed root canal and crown. I was a student here in the US and did not have dental. The quotes were in $4,000 range. I actually flew to Poland. It was half the price including the flight ticket.
cheehaw 2 | 263
17 Nov 2010 #81
You are not being very nice.Don't you have insurance?

I'm nice enough.

Dental insurance does not exist for most people. It'll get you a bit of a reduction on your bill here and there but that's about it. Just a reality check for ya there. Full dental coverage is very expensive. I think you can expect a minimum 300/month for good dental coverage. Where will our $13/hr employee find that money? She could move to a country that gets American subsidies and probably get her health care for free, sure. but here in America, because she is rich, she has to pay for everything. It's amazing you didn't know that.

Last time I went to a cheap dentist the experience nearly killed me. They dentist ground a mercury amalgam (old silver filling) down in my mouth to do a crown and I ended up with really high levels of mercury in my blood and then it cost me about 7000-8000 bucks with another doctor to detox. Luckily, the good doctor's prices were reasonable. The ADA dentist was horrible. The alternative med doc was superb. The AMA has put him out of business by now. He questioned their regulations concerning things like mercury amalgam in dentistry. They are quite fond of mercury amalgam in Poland by the way.

Thanks for your advice but I do think it's bad advice.
DarrenM 1 | 77
17 Nov 2010 #82
You might ask some of your ...... countrymen why they left ........ for America, and never returned.

Because of the "an Gorta Mór"
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
17 Nov 2010 #83
Last time I went to a cheap dentist the experience nearly killed me. They are quite fond of mercury amalgam in Poland by the way.

Sounds like someone overreacted and ended up paying a small fortune because of hysteria. Funnily enough, I'm not surprised the American Medical Association put him out of business if he was charging 8000 dollars for a "detox" that wasn't required.

Incidentally, under the Polish system, you can pay nothing for a filling, or pay between 50-100zl for a "white" filling under the NFZ system. It's worth pointing out that the "white" ones aren't much better than the "silver" ones in terms of harm done.
grubas 12 | 1,390
17 Nov 2010 #84
How do you find the State subsidized dentist?

Well, in DelMarVa we have something called TLC for people with low income.Once you get enrolled you pay $40 a visit for dentist and $20 a visit all other doctors.
f stop 25 | 2,513
17 Nov 2010 #85
couple of G's cash

I think you're missing the point. There is no cash to be had.
I had the same attitude you had, untit I volunteered to do her budget.
If you consider having a cell and a cable living beyond ones means, then I guess she does.

I don't know where you guys live (I've heard of Poles living on dog food to send more money back home, I don't call that living), but around here, living on $1800 a month does not leave any money in the bank. Unless, one shares the apartment, or has mortgage paid, or car paid off, or has a sugar daddy, or can live without TV, phone, car, AC, heat or ... booze (booze is $40 a month allowance. No weed. ) ;)
convex 20 | 3,978
17 Nov 2010 #86
On $13/hour, students wages in your part, you should be living with someone... In Oklahoma, you could afford a place, but then again, it's a decent starting salary in OK.

What's your friend do career wise?
grubas 12 | 1,390
17 Nov 2010 #87
I think you're missing the point. There is no cash to be had.

No I am not.I ALWAYS had at least 5 G's in the bank and I was making 13/h.Always had cable and phone (ok, my employer was paying for my cell), never tried dog food since food is VERY cheap around here,i don't drink but spend at least $50/week on 420. On the other hand I never had a car payment.And I never sent a single buck to PL.But I understand you may be surprised since many Americans make way more then that but mostly don't have any cash.Oh and I don't blow $$$ on bullshit,I buy good stuff at the right price.
cheehaw 2 | 263
17 Nov 2010 #88
Sounds like someone overreacted and ended up paying a small fortune because of hysteria. Funnily enough, I'm not surprised the American Medical Association put him out of business if he was charging 8000 dollars for a "detox" that wasn't required.

You are a doctor too now I see. I envision you in chemotherapy 10 years from now.. your hair falling out, your bones showing through your skin.... have fun.

Well, in DelMarVa we have something called TLC for people with low income.Once you get enrolled you pay $40 a visit for dentist and $20 a visit all other doctors.

and those dentists will insist that if they fill a cavity, you must accept mercury amalgam.

try them, call around, you'll see, that they will never allow you a white filling with those programs. the works is cheap as $hit and dangerous too. Children even die in the chairs of dentists that max out the medicare programs by doing lots of unnecessary work.
f stop 25 | 2,513
17 Nov 2010 #89
I ALWAYS had at least 5 G's

I don't think I understand what you're trying to say. The 5Gs you have in the bank, you want cudos for that or are you trying to convince me that it is the norm? Don't you live with your parents?

You do realise that average US consumer is in red on credit cards debt alone, right? And the only way they might see couple of G's all at once is from their income tax return, right?
Havok 10 | 912
17 Nov 2010 #90
Thanks for your advice but I do think it's bad advice.

You know what? i don't feel bad for you at all. Obviously you were pampered most of your life and now you've become a fat domesticated cat. Dude, get to work, use your brains for a change and stop whining.

We have the most advanced and the most sophisticated healthcare system in the world. Is it expensive? yeah.

You obviously hate handouts too so work for it. Don't be like the rest of those lazy losers out there.

Just stop buying $hit that you obviously can't afford and you're going to be fine. btw Get a job with a better insurance plan.


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