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Who is better informed, the expat or the Polonia crowd?


Meathead 5 | 497
8 Sep 2012 #121
This is what is wrong with politics in the United States. The Roman Catholic Church over the past 10 years has become very politically active and is blaming everything wrong with the USA on Hollywood and "Secular Society". They have a stranglehold on the Republican Party which has gone from Conservative to Right Wing Fascist.

That's where a lot of this thinking is coming from.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
8 Sep 2012 #122
Yes, the Polonialandists live in their PIS-ghetto

Who are the "Polonialandists"? You've asked about Polonia, sobieski. You should be aware that Polonia comprises tens of millions of people around the world, most of whom do not live in ghettos, much less a "PIS-Ghetto". Sobieski, you are demonstrating the stupid tendancy to generalize that seems to plague several of the expatriates upon this forum. You should be better informed about the fallaciousness of stereotyping millions of people. Maybe you should read your own thread and realize that it is full of posts by very well informed Polonians most of whom are not even PIS Party supporters.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 Sep 2012 #123
Meathead
Are you saying that Hollywood is promoting the role model of a decent, upright, honest, truthful and altruistic human being who avoids materialistic and hedonistic excesses in a world where most people go to bed hungry. And that it effectively puts into practice the saying of the great 19th-century humanitarian, Albert Schweitzer who said: 'Remember, you are not alone in this world -- your brother is here too!'
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441
8 Sep 2012 #124
No, but at least they breathe the same air.

your standards are REALLLY low;)
Meathead 5 | 497
9 Sep 2012 #125
Are you saying that Hollywood is promoting the role model of a decent, upright, honest, truthful and altruistic human being who avoids materialistic and hedonistic excesses in a world where most people go to bed hungry. And that it effectively puts into practice the saying of the great 19th-century humanitarian, Albert Schweitzer who said: 'Remember, you are not alone in this world -- your brother is here too!'

Hollywood tells stories through film. That's all it is. It's not a church. It is not monolithic. We're supposed to get our values from our churches. Fancy that, values from the Roman Catholic Church when their priests molest our children. The message of Jesus of Nazareth is Charity to your neighbor, it's not about sacrificing and suffering so that you can get to heaven. How self-serving.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
9 Sep 2012 #126
Actually I think there are a lot of decent film makers in Hollywood who tell good stories in good films. A lot of the movies make you question faith and whether there is more out there than just what you see. I think some of the best films in the world are from Hollywood. Yes you get crap too but Polonius if you want to have a go at institutions that disregard Christian morals I would look more to television programs that mock Christianity or news media that try to show Christianity in bad light, rather than movies from Hollywood. There are very few Hollywood movies that are all about making fun of or mocking Christianity. Yes some of them tend to promote a very 'unChristian' or immoral way of life, but you have to learn to pick and choose the decent ones.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
9 Sep 2012 #127
You and I do not have to worry about the garbage churned out by Hollywood (which I use as a code-name for the entertainment industry), but can add MTV and imitators the crapola paper and virtual media, writers like Manuela Gretkowski, etc., etc. But we should be concerned about the impressionable pre-adolescents and adolescents who are learning about life from those sources directly as well as refiltered through their peer groups. I don't recall the name, but maybe 15 or 20 years ago one of the news weeklies quoted a non-gentile Hollywood film director as saying: 'I don't make movies so people can have better lives, I make movies that people will buy tickets to see. And most of those are 12 and 13.' That may have changed with the advent of the net, but the principle is the same: only greed, profits and self-interest count.
strzyga 2 | 993
9 Sep 2012 #128
You and I do not have to worry about the garbage churned out by Hollywood (which I use as a code-name for the entertainment industry), but can add MTV and imitators the crapola paper and virtual media, writers like Manuela Gretkowski, etc., etc

Polonius, as a devout Christian aren't you supposed to love all facets of God's creation?
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
9 Sep 2012 #129
Polonius I do agree with you that a large part of the entertainment industry is toxic, particularly to young people. I just thought that when you said Hollywood you were referring only to Hollywood movies. I am aware that the lives of many people involved with films in Hollywood are far from highly moral. As for MTV and a large part of the music industry as well as certain television programs, I agree, they are bad influences for young people. I mean the amount of young guys who want to be hip hop artists or footballers now purely for the fame and money is staggering. Young aspiring/wannabe football players now chat to each other about how much money they might make if they sign for such and such a club. There are a couple of names in the Polish media industry who are also toxic to young people, in fact more than a couple, in the music industry in particular. As for the Hollywood film maker, I also remember a channel that received complaints once responding with 'they get high ratings and that is their main goal, not to satisfy audiences, but to get high ratings.' The channel does not care if programs they show are offensive, they are commercial channels, if it gets ratings and makes them money, it's in. At least with public television they have a duty the audience who [in most countries I think] pay a yearly fee for it so if they get a lot of complaints they have to do something about it. It is true that much of the stuff that is regurgitated, be it in music, in movies or television program, is done so because of people who are the audiences. If the people took a stand and stopped watching and giving money for concerts and other events etc, the industries would have to think of something better, but they don't need to, and that is very said.

Do not tell me you are living in the UK because you are afraid of the Polish Prime Minister

No I have always lived there.
Wroclaw Boy
9 Sep 2012 #130
No I have always lived there.

There! dont you mean here? Nobody who has been through the English education system rights like the above.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
9 Sep 2012 #131
Love the sinner, not the sin. We are enjoined to urge our fellow man to abandon his misguided ways.
strzyga 2 | 993
9 Sep 2012 #132
Love the sinner, not the sin.

I see. Well, the love for the sinners is truly permeating all your posts.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
9 Sep 2012 #133
Not a single post has ever promoted, glamourised, or glorified human misconduct, dissoluiton, setting bad examples, greed, self-interest, infidelity, perjury (breaking the marriage vow), deviant behaviour and other negative developments that poison society and the human soul.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
9 Sep 2012 #134
I myself would rather ask expats or Polish citizens about issues pertaining to Poland by and large.There are Polonia that are well informed and have a text book understanding,but it's not the same as someone who lives or has lived there.They can give you the reality.
strzyga 2 | 993
9 Sep 2012 #135
Have you seen this? You might find it an interesting watch.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_(film)
p3undone 8 | 1,135
9 Sep 2012 #136
strzyga,I'm assuming that was directed at Polonius3?I saw that movie.Fantastic!
strzyga 2 | 993
9 Sep 2012 #137
strzyga,I'm assuming that was directed at Polonius3?

Yes, of course.

I saw that movie.Fantastic!

I wonder what Polonius' opinion would be.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
9 Sep 2012 #138
Haven't seen it but wonder if it's similat to the late KieĊ›lowski's 'Dekalog'. Each part dealt with one of the 10 Commandments. When I spoke to him back in the 1990s I was surprised to learn he was a delcared atheist. Only shows to go that the Decalogue is a universal code. If people of every creed or uncreed and nationality followed it, this would be a much better world.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
9 Sep 2012 #139
strzyga,If he is devout then I'm assuming that this would be a movie he wouldn't watch.As for the topic;I often stay a way from discussing issues about Poland as I don't know enough about Poland to give an informed opinion on the subject.For now I read the threads and will eventually ask questions so that I can be better informed.If I do give an opinion then it will be because I know what I'm talking about.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
9 Sep 2012 #140
Nobody who has been through the English education system rights like the above.

What exactly is wrong with what I have written? You really are some kind of a brain-dead goofball aren't you. Check your own sentences first, before you rush to judge others.

1/ I don't care much for the vocabulary or grammar I use on an internet forum. My main aim is to make the post clear, understandable and get the point across.

2/ Even though that paragraph I wrote is not of the highest class academic quality, I see no glaring errors and no I doubt a person who was not educated in England [or some other nation that speaks the language] would be able to write like this.

There! dont you mean here?

Does it matter? They both quite obviously mean the same thing and only an idiot [I assume you are one] can not tell what I mean.
cassandra 1 | 39
3 Oct 2012 #141
New Zealand has it right with the 2 year abroad rule - any longer, and no vote for you.

unless you are in military and on 'duty'...not a bad rule really...
jon357 71 | 20,410
3 Oct 2012 #142
Not bad at all - the UK has I think and 11 year rule.

The EU want to standardise all this - Italy and Poland are as far as I know the only large countries that allow foreigners to vote based on a citizenship that they don't really need.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
3 Oct 2012 #143
I myself would rather ask expats or Polish citizens about issues pertaining to Poland by and large.

Which expats ?
Ironside 51 | 11,339
4 Oct 2012 #144
Depends what is a subject of debate?
If history or historical issue that argument based on - but I'm living here and you do not - it is nonsense and not an argument at all!

Same goes for politics.


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