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7 Oct 2016 #31
That's such a typical response from the tolerant political classes Jon.

But like you say this is about Poles.
jon357 67 | 17,530
7 Oct 2016 #32
Sorry Jon but Britain did not fight two world wars to be ruled by Germany did it?

Who's ruled by Germany?

Churchill, by the way, firmly supported something we would call the most extreme sort of EU, basically a federal Europe.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
7 Oct 2016 #33
Who's ruled by Germany?

the EU - just as Hitler envisioned. Did Churchill too? OK well looks like Germany won then.
jon357 67 | 17,530
7 Oct 2016 #34
He envisioned something very different. Not 27 states co-operating with free movement of citizens and a strong belief in equality and human rights. He would have hated that.
7 Oct 2016 #35
Churchill also supported Islam.

One of the worst things to happen in Europe has been the unification of Germany. It has superseded France and has taken control.

Many thing's changed from the original idea.
Brexit happened and will be carried through.
Whatever happens, happens.

Brexit won !.
Lyzko 31 | 7,800
7 Oct 2016 #36
Although Britain above all aka Mrs.Thatcher quite a while back, was less than thrilled with the very real prospects of German reunification, I really don't think that Brexit will contribute to Germany, Poland, France etc.. all summarily exiting the EU in lockstep:-) Having said all that, Hungary just announced one in a series of anti-immigrant pieces of legislation, Merkel's in real danger of losing come 2017, and good ol' comfy, liberal Denmark has been starting to feel the pinch of Muslim immigration etc.. Still, those countries NEED the EU, as Britain herself could find over the course of the next ten years or so.

I DO think that the Brexit has begun to have a frightening backlash among foreign-born migrant workers in the UK, and this is something which PM May will have to seriously address, sooner rather than later which might well be too late!
TheOther 6 | 3,692
8 Oct 2016 #37
One of the worst things to happen in Europe has been the unification of Germany

So you wish that the wall would still be standing and that Poland would still be under the control of the Soviets?
Marsupial - | 886
8 Oct 2016 #38
I am off to the uk tomorrow. Will be terminating all business there and thanks to the crushed uk currency it will cost much less for the trip. The currency which won't suffer its worse fate for a while yet looking at whos thinking to cancel business there what scotland is doing and the absolute economic disaster I predict which awaits I would urge all poles to get out and cash in for euro now. Further looking at the jokes that will attempt to negotiate and the weirdo unelected prime! Why would you want to stay in a country where 37% of people have decided to destroy it for the other 63%? Why would you want to stay when the ecinomic reasons given by people such as little cricket fatty BJ for example were made up and even quickly removed from sides of busses and other places after the vote. I can keep going all day. Not everyone can just leave but those who can should.
Atch 16 | 3,366
8 Oct 2016 #39
After Brexit people will have to apply for citizenship or leave, probably be given it free

All of this is pure assumption on your part. People who acquired the right of permanent residence under EU law will not be required to leave after Brexit, nor will they be forced to obtain British citizenship. That would be illegal. In a democratic society such as Britain it is not acceptable to retrospectively revoke peoples' rights. Changes in residence laws will only affect those who come to live in the UK post-Brexit or who haven't been there long enough pre-Brexit to acquire permanent residence. Also your assumption does not take into account those from countries outside the EU who have ILR (indefinite leave to remain). Britian will not create a two tier system, discriminating against EU citizens with permanent residence rights in the UK, whilst allowing those of other nationalities to remain.
terri 1 | 1,665
8 Oct 2016 #40
I read in The Mail today that the Ministers have given their assurance that all EU citizens (at the date of formal Exit) will have the right to stay in the UK and they will not be asked to leave.
cms 9 | 1,255
8 Oct 2016 #41
TicTacToe, you claim to be an educated person but your grammar is poor, your spelling full of mistakes (plurals do not require an apostrophe) and your arguments are not far advanced from the playground. You speak German ? Big whoop. Most of us here speak several languages.

Irrespective of that, in 30 years time you can tell your kids that you sided with the dumb, the gullible, the senile and the racist loonies. Yes, you got your Brexit, good luck with it - it will be a train wreck. Theresa May complains that we are condescending to Brexit voters - but what does she expect ?
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 488
8 Oct 2016 #42
I know what the 5 year rule is and like I said if you have citizenship, which is what 5 years allows, your rights are the same as mine as long as you have British citizenship.

technically speaking, one needs to live in the UK for 6 years to be able to apply (and be granted) for British citizenship (excluding situation when they got married to the Brits etc).

After 5 years, one gets Pernament Residency (in the EU law system), or, IFL (in British laws). One needs to have it for 12 months to apply for citizenship.

And yeah, those who wish to remain pernamently should obtain UK citizenship- so they would have full voting rights and could participate in elections. plus, language test and "life in the uk" test ensures that they have at least basic knowledge of host' culture and tongue.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
10 Oct 2016 #43
"life in the uk" test

it seemed to be a bit like a pub quiz when I had a look at it. I certainly did not know the answers......
for example ...'How many MP's sit in the House of Commons' or some such idea!
11 Oct 2016 #44
What I'm saying is,

If you have been here long enough to apply for British citizenship, then do it. You will have the same rights as ME!.

Other's from Poland who came to the UK gained citizenship and even voted out in Brexit, who knew!!. It is possible and you have options with citizenship. Why you would just want to reside is beyond me. I can guarantee, yes, you may as Brexit negotiations be given right to reside, but this country will bring some act out with some clause that states something against that and out side EU law you will not able to do anything about it.

So get citizenship if staying here matters so much.

I can understand people's anger at Brexit because it has steered the EU in a completely different direction, and with German complete control. With lots of refugees coming the future looks really bad for countries like Poland now so I can understand the anger.

I'm glad we had a Brexit and it came just at the right time.
terri 1 | 1,665
11 Oct 2016 #45
My thoughts on all this:
1. It is very likely, that once GB is out of the EU, they will not have to abide by the rules of the EU. One of which states how many 'refugees' each country has to take in. Poland will be in the situation where they will be TOLD how many they should have otherwise they will have to pay a penalty for each one.

2. As people were lead to believe that they would have a choice where to work in the EU, some came to England with the intention of going back when they choose. Becoming a British citizen was not part of the equation as some have left families and roots still in Poland. Instead of just one person becoming GB citizen, the rest of the family would have to come and become British too.

3. On the other hand, Brexit will now lead to situations where some Poles working in GB will return to Poland, and the Polish unemployment percentage will increase. This is bad news for Poland. It is also bad as the income currently being sent back to Poland to families will cease. Polish families will therefore be entitled to benefits which Poland cannot afford.
Marsupial - | 886
3 Nov 2016 #46
Incase you haven't noticed poland still won't take the refugees. Brits exiting wont make any difference. Poland will still take none or tiny amount of refugees from the south. Obviously uk already has heaps before this. Obviously they will always get more. People returning to poland will will not make any difference to unemployment. There are already ukrainians and others fillung a million vacancies. It can be eeasily be stemmed to zero for a year or two. Some will go elsewhere and some will still remain. The extra taxes, expenditure on everyday items and the general benefit will move from the uk to there. Houses will go up in value in Poland. I wish may would get on with it I want to watch.
Marsupial - | 886
3 Nov 2016 #47
Forgot to mention...if you are there leave or change currency now for your cash. Before the pound goes on another happy fun slide ride.
Marsupial - | 886
4 Nov 2016 #48
The pound gained a bit after court ruling. Lol.

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