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Polish slave trader in the UK has sentence increased


Harry
28 May 2017 #1
How on earth did he ever get away with just a four-year sentence?!

David Zielinski, 24, was jailed for four years after being found guilty of two offences of trafficking under the 2015 Modern Slavery Act

Full article here: thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15292286.Slave_gang___39_lieutenant__39__to_serve_three_more_years_in_jail/

I really hope he doesn't get deported when/if he finishes his sentence: scum like that leaving our wonderful country and going to the UK has been a major benefit of Poland being in the EU.

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Polish pimp earnt 1.4 million pounds from exploiting his countrywomen



A recent story from Scotland, where a Polish pimp earnt an astronomical amount of money from taking advantage of and exploiting women from his own country. Fortunately, he was caught and imprisoned for his actions. As was made clear in the judgement, he exploited the women that were 'working' for him, and he was living off the proceeds of the crime.

As is widely known, human trafficking is a serious problem in Poland. Hopefully the custodial sentence imposed in this case will discourage other Poles from human trafficking and exploitation.
gregy741 5 | 1,264
28 May 2017 #2
Hopefully the custodial sentence imposed in this case will discourage other Poles from human trafficking and exploitation.

shot this cnut. need to check if he had any connections with KOD. bet he does
OP Harry
28 May 2017 #3
POLISH PIMP EARNT 1.4 MILLION POUNDS FROM EXPLOITING HIS COUNTRYWOMEN

Why has that post been claimed to be something I wrote? That's clearly not something I'd write: I don't use the word 'earnt', I write 'earned'.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,075
28 May 2017 #4
Interesting that four of the top ten worst countries for Human trafficking also happen to be providing the majority of migrants into Europe , maybe they are looking for new markets

toptenz.net/10-worst-countries-human-trafficking.php
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
28 May 2017 #5
will discourage other Poles from human trafficking and exploitation.

lol

1.4 million pounds = 4 years ? lol
gregy741 5 | 1,264
28 May 2017 #6
not much,considering that recently ,glorious British court sentenced 2 poles for 8 month in prison both(not suspended,no bail),for throwing slice of bacon at mosque.

here some taste of justice
jon357 71 | 20,799
28 May 2017 #7
Rightly so. It would be the same here in Poland.
gregy741 5 | 1,264
29 May 2017 #8
saudis pay well for spreading muslim agenda worldwide
Bieganski 17 | 896
29 May 2017 #9
A recent story from Scotland, where a Polish pimp earnt an astronomical amount of money from taking advantage of and exploiting women from his own country.

A very disappointing story to read.

The convicted Scottish resident Emil Wakulicz certainly isn't representative of Poland at all.

I tried to find more about this character but the surname Wakulicz is rather uncommon in Poland. The only thing I could find is a heartwarming presentation of some girls (one with this very same surname) enjoying a szabat meal together.

I would hate to think they are related. Can you imagine the horror if they were? Little girls in Poland enjoying the Jewish renaissance a migrant PF member told us about and this monster thinks nothing of exploiting Polish women when taking up residence in a foreign country like the UK. Terrible! It certainly would be another instance of failed integration from those suffering an entitlement complex.

I hope this Wakulicz character serves the full sentence handed down to him. After all Britain is known for its soft-touch approach to punishment and is very liberal when it comes to early releases for even some of the most serious offenses like this case. It's often said though that criminals find religion while in prison. Perhaps they serve kosher food in Scottish prisons and this convict will be able to discover (or maybe even rediscover) his own Jewish roots too and hopefully change his ways for the better once released. Maybe he'll exercise his right of return as well. Judging from his photo he certainly wouldn't look out of place walking around somewhere like Tel Aviv.
mafketis 35 | 11,567
29 May 2017 #10
The convicted Scottish resident Emil Wakulicz certainly isn't representative of Poland at all.

Yeah, but pretty run of the mill for Scotland.... what is it? Something in the water there?
OP Harry
29 May 2017 #11
The convicted Scottish resident Emil Wakulicz certainly isn't representative of Poland at all.

In the unlikely event you ever visit Poland, you'll quickly find that pimps are far more commonplace in Poland than in the UK. Although running a brothel is illegal in both countries, here in Poland brothel owners are brazen in their operations. In Warsaw they advertise quite openly. The longer established places even have signs in the windows. You can't park your car in central Warsaw for more than an hour without coming back to find fliers for brothels on it.

The way that pimps and brothel owners have been allowed to operate without hindrance has made some bold enough to further boost their profits by not paying their staff. Drive across the country and you'll see sex workers waiting by the side of the road: almost all of them have been trafficked into Poland and are working against their will. Generally it's women from Bulgaria, Moldova and Romania which are trafficked into Poland for that work, with women being brought from Ukraine and Belarus to work in brothels.
OP Harry
29 May 2017 #12
Yeah, but pretty run of the mill for Scotland....

Sadly you're completely wrong.

It is estimated that 181,100 people live in modern slavery in Poland, which is by far the largest number in the EU. By comparison the UK has only 11,700 people living in modern slavery (sorry but I don't have separate data for Scotland). If you look at the number of people living in modern slavery as a percentage of the population, the UK has 0.018% of its inhabitants as victims of modern slavery, which is the joint lowest in the EU. Poland has 0.476% of its inhabitants living in modern slavery. That is by far the highest percentage in the EU, more than a seventh higher than the next worst EU members.

Read more here globalslaveryindex.org/region/europe/ and here globalslaveryindex.org/country/poland
Ironside 51 | 11,337
29 May 2017 #13
you'll quickly find that pimps are far more commonplace in Poland than in the UK.

You're an expert here. I grant you that.

s victims of modern slavery,

What are you talking about? Prostitution? Given that in Germany and Holland it is a legal bussien and still they lure women from foreign countries. I Don't trust their offcial records.
OP Harry
29 May 2017 #14
What are you talking about?

Modern slavery, an area in which, regrettably, Poland occupies the unquestionable number one spot in the EU.

You're an expert here. I grant you that.

I've never seen a brothel advertising openly in the UK. I've never had fliers for brothels left on my car in the UK. Perhaps if you'd been in Poland since 1989, you'd know a little about modern Poland.
mafketis 35 | 11,567
29 May 2017 #15
has 0.018% of its inhabitants as victims of modern slavery

Does this count enslaved domestic workers from the Arab world and the Indian sub-continent?

here globalslaveryindex.org/country/poland

It's not clear if they distinguish people in vulnerable positions in Poland or abroad....

and then there's this:

"Roma mothers from poor communities in Moldova and the Ukraine are offered jobs in the sales or care sectors in Poland"

hard to take anything there seriously after that....Roma begging is absolutely a crime syndicate but one run by Roma and largely immune to outside interference

Also, after flashing around huge numbers there are very few actual verified cases... the page is hype and does more harm than good and anyone who believes the 180,000 thousand number uncritically is a fool.
OP Harry
29 May 2017 #16
It's not clear if they distinguish people in vulnerable positions in Poland or abroad....

Perhaps you'd like to read the first sentence of the report on modern slavery in Poland again? "The 2016 Global Slavery Index estimates 181,100 people or 0.48% percent of the total population live in conditions of modern slavery in Poland.

hard to take anything there seriously after that

Care to tell us why you know better than the Council of Baltic Sea States - Child Centre - Expert Group for Cooperation on Children at Risk>

Does this count enslaved domestic workers from the Arab world and the Indian sub-continent?

Yes, domestic workers make up the second largest groups of modern slaves in the UK.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
29 May 2017 #17
Perhaps if you'd been in Poland since 1989, you'd know a little about modern Poland.

I'm in Poland right now. I still mantain that you're an expert in pimps department, be it in England be it in Poland. \

Modern slavery,

Well, you should look into the Arab gulf countires, than Asia and then some other region of the glob before you start talking about Europe.
OP Harry
29 May 2017 #18
Well, you should look into the Arab gulf countires,

I already have: the percentage of the population of Poland who live in modern slavery is higher than most Arab Gulf countries (higher than in the UAE, higher than in Oman, higher than in Kuwait and higher than in Saudi Arabia). In fact there are more people living in modern slavery in Poland than in all of those counties combined.

Although to be frank I care a lot more about what happens in Poland than in all of those countries combined.

I'm in Poland right now. I still mantain that you're an expert in pimps department, be it in England be it in Poland.

Sure you are, Irony, just like you are not trying to take this thread off topic with ad hom trolling.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
29 May 2017 #19
I already have: the percentage of the population of Poland who live in modern slavery is higher than most Arab Gulf countries

that is due to BS data.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,444
29 May 2017 #20
By comparison the UK has only 11,700 people living in modern slavery

The 2016 Global Slavery Index estimates 181,100 people or 0.48% percent of the total population live in conditions of modern slavery in Poland

I wonder what the methodology of it is. In other words, what was the method of counting them. The numbers are rounded off to hundreds and not thousands, so fairly accurate methods should have been employed.
mafketis 35 | 11,567
29 May 2017 #21
BS data.

Quite.

Let's look at the actual documented numbers....

"In 2014, the Border Guard identified 31 victims of forced labo....cases of domestic servitude are included, this figure increases to 34 forced labour victims

As many as 800 North Koreans are believed to be working in the country, primarily in shipyards and orchards
n 2010, 58 Thai migrant workers ... were made to work excessive hours, received limited food and were not paid full wages

Polish nationals made up the fifth largest group of European Union....Most of these individuals were identified in the UK (405), Poland (263) and the Netherlands (187)..... 54 individuals were identified as victims of labour exploitation

In 2014, the police identified only one case of forced begging. However the Border Guard found three suspected cases

Of 50 trafficking victims identified by Polish police .... the Maritime Border Guard identified two citizens of Bulgaria and one citizen of Poland as victims of human trafficking for prostitution.. 14 children were trafficked within Poland and one child trafficked to Germany

Despite existing literature giving evidence of CSE (commercial sexual exploitation) cases in Poland, the Walk Free survey did not identify any victims in this sector"

None of this is good, but note that the largest number is "believed" (ie undocumented). Coming up with a figure of 180,000 "enslaved" people on these numbers is not very credible....
Atch 17 | 3,706
29 May 2017 #22
I wonder what the methodology of it is.

The research was conducted via Gallup on the basis of interviews with 'more than 28,000 respondents in 52 languages' but when you add India into the stats it's 42,000 respondents. They make the valid point that it's a difficult situation to analyse because of the hidden nature of it and the fact that so many cases go undetected.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,444
29 May 2017 #23
Coming up with a figure of 180,000 "enslaved" people on these numbers is not very credible....

They came up with a figure of 180,100 "enslaved" people and this is something which makes it far more credible than a mere 180,000..

a difficult situation to analyse because of the hidden nature of it and the fact that so many cases go undetected.

Thus my question remains: how could they estimate or count this figure down to a hundred bearing in mind that the total is nearly 200,000.which is an awful lot? The estimation has been done rather precisely ...
Bieganski 17 | 896
29 May 2017 #24
you'll quickly find that pimps are far more commonplace in Poland than in the UK

I don't need to patron prostitutes so obviously you have personal insight on this matter which I wouldn't.

And as you admitted prostitution relies on human trafficking from other countries. Police and government statistics also show that criminal smugglers and pimps are often foreign born themselves or have a foreign heritage and failed to integrate and refused to find respectable work.

I've never had fliers for brothels left on my car in the UK. Perhaps if you'd been in Poland since 1989

That's because way back in the day cell phones in Blighty were a rarity and people including school aged children still relied on the old red telephone boxes in public. Despite have clear glass windows a user would always be guaranteed absolute privacy though since the entire insides of the boxes would always be wallpapered over with prostitution fliers.

that is due to BS data.

This study being pimped by Harry to besmirch Poland even stated its figures were only estimates and included instances of not only forced labor but forced marriages.

Forced marriages, huh? Yeah, that is a common practice among Poles, isn't it? That's news to me since forced marriages are only practiced in the 21st century by those from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East since it is part and parcel of their desire of chain migration into the EU while preserving their own race and culture.
jon357 71 | 20,799
29 May 2017 #25
It is estimated that 181,100 people live in modern slavery in Poland, which is by far the largest number in the EU.

That is actually shocking.

the entire insides of the boxes would always be wallpapered over with prostitution fliers.

No. If you'd ever actually been in one, you'd know how silly that sounds.

Here in Warsaw though, the streets are knee-deep with them.
Bieganski 17 | 896
29 May 2017 #26
you'd know how silly that sounds.

Then where did the term "tart card" come from? It wasn't from British carpetbaggers with Victorian-era moralizing hypocrisy visiting red light districts abroad.
jon357 71 | 20,799
29 May 2017 #27
Here's another case. Shocking:
"Two brothers who trafficked vulnerable men from Poland to work in a Sports Direct warehouse have been jailed for six years each under the Modern Slavery Act. Erwin Markowski, 38, and his brother Krystian, 35, lured 18 men from Poland"

theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/23/brothers-jailed-trafficking-poland-sports-direct-shirebrook

Then where did

Where did the idea

he entire insides of the boxes would always be wallpapered over

come from...
Atch 17 | 3,706
29 May 2017 #28
Now to be be fair, years ago in London, you would certainly see small ads pasted in phone boxes for 'massage' services as it was referred to. But the walls were by no means plastered in them.

forced marriages are only practiced in the 21st century by those from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East

No the Roma do it as well and any Roma living in Poland would account for figures relating to forced marriages such as they might be.

smugglers and pimps are often foreign born themselves

Well you're right there, because a few months ago there was a case in Ireland of a Polish guy convicted of human trafficking.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,444
29 May 2017 #29
That [180,100] is actually shocking.

But I can assure you that 180,099 would be even more shocking.
jon357 71 | 20,799
29 May 2017 #30
The scale of this seems huge:

Police have smashed a human trafficking ring which moved more than 230 people into the UK to claim more than £2million in illegal benefits.
Officers arrested 29 suspects as they gathered for a wedding in Poland

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056967/Polish-gang-trafficked-200-people-Britain-illegally-claim-2m-benefits.html

a few months ago there was a case in Ireland

Was that this case?

Wojciech Gendarz was charged ... trafficking of Polish nationals ...sexual exploitation. The Polish national, who was born in September 1978, ....... Garda David Kelly told Dublin District Court that Mr Gendarz was arrested at Dublin Airport

newstalk.com/Man-arrested-in-Dublin-charged-in-connection-with-investigation-into-human-trafficking


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