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PLEXIT -The great British exodus (Brits in Poland returning home)


tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #1
There are large numbers of Brits in Poland returning home to greener pastures. PLEXIT is happening do the Expats know something that we don't about the forthcoming austerity in Poland or are they concerned about the Russian threat. Maybe its because GBP is so weak they can sell up there PL investments and repatriate their funds. Seems like PL will only have British migrants who are stuck and can't afford to return to blighty or are uniformed are nonplussed as BREXIT approaches.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,462
24 Nov 2016  #2
From what I have seen here in the village it's the oposite, since the land law changed many Brit pensioners are buying up small properties and retiring here, they quote the weather, countryside and cheap houses and cost of living as the main reason to be here.

Maybe it's the city younger expats that you are thinking of?
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #3
Funny, why would a foreigner want to live in the countryside in Poland, even the Poles don't want to live in the countryside... Unless you have got a nice country manor in Poland and bucketful of cash, better to stay in the UK. When I mention expats I am talking about investors who have been in Poland for years. What do they know you don't what do they fear, that you do not see hence the usage of the word nonplussed...
dolnoslask 5 | 2,462
24 Nov 2016  #4
I mention expats I am talking about investors

Oh I understand now, I don't know any high flying Brit investors, I know a few who have bought retirement places, the odd palace etc, the ones who have bought property to run as hotels and guest houses have not done well at all, they all seem to live on savings or other UK based investments/ pensions.
jon357 64 | 14,382
24 Nov 2016  #5
do the Expats know something that we don't about the forthcoming austerity in Poland

Wealthy Poles are also shifting assets abroad due to political instability in Poland combined with the risks from Russia.
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #6
dolno, there is concern around that Poland's economy has peaked and we are now on the other side, EU funds will come to an end in 2020, so there will no more artificial inflator to boost growth, that coupled with the Russians making noises about enlarging there presence in the region, placing nuclear warheads in Kalingrad again. Nato is taking the threat seriously as seen in atlanticcouncil.org/images/publications/Arming_for_Deterrence_web_0719.pdf . Poland is growing its militia army as a deterrent, now the largest in Europe, so FDI is being placed on the backburner. Couple that with the brexit negotiations and no one knows how Brits will be perceived or accepted after the withdrawal takes place. So if someone is cautious then its better to take the safer option now and sell up and retrench before anymore **** hits the proverbial fan... Smart money is always first out.
Observvver
24 Nov 2016  #7
"Brits in Poland returning home to greener pastures. PLEXIT is happening do the Expats know something that we don't about the forthcoming austerity in Poland"

Are you watching the same news as everyone else? Did you see yesterday's autumn statement? Today's headline is 'biggest squeeze on standards of living for a generation'. No pay increases for at least a decade. £122 BILLION of borrowing to come. The UK economy is in a shocking state and getting worse.
Crow 143 | 7,507
24 Nov 2016  #8
God just love Poland.
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #9
Observvver, are you a Polish real estate agent ? If you have a property in the UK and you are returning with a healthy bank account, or to start a business then its great that wages will freeze in real terms for the next ten years. The EU is a Ponzi scheme which will implode eventually, the UK will always survive stop the inflows of migrants and introduce a program that you can only take from the well, what you put back into the well. Trying to create the Scandinavian myth of socialism will not work in countries like the UK and Poland we have tasted capitalism and it tastes great and its time to save and work our way out of the debt not kick the can down the road for future generations. I say allow wages to fall in real terms creating a proper working class workforce which can compete with the Asians in quality and sense of achievement.
jon357 64 | 14,382
24 Nov 2016  #10
I say allow wages to fall in real terms creating a proper working class workforce which can compete with the Asians

And you're volunteering for that?
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #11
jon, better to have people working on minimum wage than pay them to sit at home and do nothing. There are villages in the north of England which could be repopulated by unemployed people from the south, freeing up housing for those that want to work. Give incentive to Entrepreneurs to create business in the north which could benefit from low income workers and we have a movement on our hands. Time to make Britain - Great again. The UK Gov should give tax incentive for British business to bring jobs aback to the UK. Its just as Thatcher quoted, let them get on their bikes and search for jobs. There has always been a moving workforce in the UK, the Scots moved to England for work, the Irish moved to England for work. Its a proven formula.
jon357 64 | 14,382
24 Nov 2016  #12
minimum wage

Most people aspire to more than that.

unemployed people from the south

Unemployment is in fact low in the U.K.

Its just as Thatcher quoted, let them get on their bikes and search for jobs

It's, not its, and it was Tebbit not Thatcher. Better to support industry and the workers rather than let rampant capitalism destroy the economic base of the country and leave the people of Britain in a 1930's like desperation. And stop the fruits of the workers' labour vanishing away to shareholders.

Anyway, that's going off topic. There is no exodus of British citizens from Poland, although there is currently a flight of capital from Poland due to the current political instability. We may also see that in the U.K., especially if there are risks to the single market.
Observvver
24 Nov 2016  #13
Reality check: the pound has fallen off a cliff and lost 10-20% (depending on what week you change your money). It has just been announced that the UK economy will slow, wages will stagnate for a decade, and quite today's news: the biggets squeeze on living standards in 70 years, for the next 5 years at least. Prices of food, fuel, heating and houses are rising and promised to keep rising.

Now that is not a green pasture. That's a sh*thole.
Observvver
24 Nov 2016  #14
>"The UK Gov should give tax incentive for British business to bring jobs aback to the UK."

Those jobs don't exist anymore. They've been automated (manufacturing), or abolished (coal). Jobs in farming are going extinct. The major economy in the UK is the financial services, which serves much of Europe with low, mid and high end office jobs. But brexit now threatens all of that through the loss of passporting, and the jobs will just move to Frankfurt, or maybe even Warsaw (who are pitching for them). You're in a dreamland if you think the mines will re-open (we are committed to ending coal), the fishing fleet will come back (there are not enough fish left) and the cars will roll off the production lines (they might, but robots are making them). Even the call centre jobs have gone. Instead all you have is economies in northrn towns that are built on benefits and the public sector workers (govt money), with the money just round in a circle and nobody actually MAKING any new money for the national pot.

>"Its just as Thatcher quoted, let them get on their bikes and search for jobs. There has always been a moving workforce in the UK"

Have you noticed that there were tens of thousands of unfilled jobs in the UK, which were filled by migrants from abroad? The UK does not have the workforce with the right skills (poor education) or productivity (one of the poorest in Europe). On other words the UK low-end workforce is poorly educated (dumb) and inefficient (lazy). That is the harsh truth, look at the figures.

Yesterday's autumn statement shows that the loss of migrant labout will cost the UK £59 billion, because the jobs will not be filled or created. Those fools in Teeside and Cornwall will be the first to feel the pinch as the benefits and subsidies get cut, the businesses pull out, and the money stops flowing from London in the pockets of accountants spending the weekend there. Housing benefit will be the biggest earner for scam landlords.
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #15
There is and has been an exodus of Brits from Poland fact my friend. The universal credit scheme hides the real number of people on allowance in the UK , that's a fact. Let GBP tank its great for British exports, its also great for returnees exchanging foreign currency to the Great British pound. No wonder they are all returning. No one knows what will happen to the UK economy because no one knows what Brexit deal will be agreed. All we know is that the British people voted in the referendum for 'out' it was a democratic vote and now its in the hands of the gods as far as the economy is concerned. Its about time the unemployed Brits took note from the Eastern and central Europeans who moved to other country to find work.
Chemikiem 5 | 1,581
24 Nov 2016  #16
There are large numbers of Brits in Poland returning home to greener pastures.

Is this just your opinion or do you have something more to back up your claim? Plus you're having a laugh with the 'greener pastures' bit.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,462
24 Nov 2016  #17
having a laugh with the 'greener pastures' bit.

Damn right my cattle would never want to go back to the UK, after a taste of Polish grass.
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #18
Observvver, Jobs in the UK are connected to trade not to being part of a political union. No Brexit deal has been struck so no-one can forecast with any form of accuracy what will and what will not happen after Brexit.The UK labour market is incredibly dynamic, and would adapt quickly to changed relationships with the EU. Prior to the financial crisis, the UK saw on average 4 million jobs created and 3.7 million jobs lost each year there is substantial churn of jobs at any given time. Indeed, the annual creation and destruction of jobs is almost exactly the same scale as the estimated 3-4 million jobs that are associated with exports to the EU.

As for EU migrants filling vacancies which the long term unemployed don't want - what's the problem with that, I would prefer to have a motivated group of employees that are prepared to go the extra mile, than have to deal with sub existence dwellers out for an easy 'pound.'
jon357 64 | 14,382
24 Nov 2016  #19
Those fools in Teeside and Cornwall will be the first to feel the pinch as the benefits and subsidies get cu

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

I've a strong suspicion that it won't happen anyway, that history and economics will intervene across Europe before the demented Brexiteers get a chance to cause further damage.

As for EU migrants filling vacancies which the long term unemployed don't want - what's the problem with that, I would prefer to have a motivated group of employees that are prepared to go the extra mile

This I agree with. The danger is however falling standards of living (happening already) in the U.K. while quality of life in the rest of Europe continues to rise at the expense of Farage's victims in Britain.
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #20
Jon, that a sweeping statement I don't believe the Italians, Spanish or Portuguese would accept rising your statement of rising standard of living. In capitalism winners and losers are decided by market economics. Providing a safety net just doesn't work in practice although in principal its the deal clincher. When you have a revolving workforce as the EU free movement encourages, you are going to experience abusers of the system, the British system is draw for those that do not want to work. This is the reason UK gov have had to impose stricter rules across the board. As for Farage he is only interested in Farage. although he did get many things right about Brussels and the kleptocracy.
Observvver
24 Nov 2016  #21
>The UK labour market is incredibly dynamic, and would adapt quickly to changed relationships with the EU.

That's the point, we're in BrexitLand now, and the UK wont have a dynamic workforce for two reasons:

1. Low skills and poor productivity of Brits. This is a chronic feature of the UK economy that has been a drag for years. It has been masked by the vast EU migration of motivated young, educated workers. These are the dynamic ones, not the Brits - have you been to those colliery towns and seen the results of so-called 're-skilling'? It doesn't work, it's just generations of unskilled pople on the dole. Look at the education figures of white British kids, they're appalling.

2. Added to that, the UK govt now has a policy of ending freedom of movement, and they know that if they don't then they'll get massacred at the next election by the Brexit/UKIP vote. So not only will it be harder for the skilled, dynamic workforce to work in the UK, they will be less willing to go there because of the UK's attitude and the hostility. It doesn't seem like such a nice place for a Romanian or a Pole to go and live anymore. So that just leaves the poorly educated, expectant yet lazy British workforce, who arent motivated to work hard because they know they don't really have to.

All those jobs created and churn were due to the dynamism of the workforce being able move around. A million young people arriving and opening shops or starting as small businesses. The financial industry too, generating the wealth that ripples out from London. All that is going to end if the current policy of ending free movement (and so leaving the single market) is followed through. Even the threat of it is causing a slowdown - every time May mentions Brexit the pound falls and prices increase.

The UK has just put off ending its deficit indefinitely. Instead of balancing the books by 2020 it is now aiming to borrow another £122 billion in desperation of avoiding a collapse by building some infrastructure. Yeah, good luck with that - how long have HS2 and Heathrow been stuck in planning?
TicTacToe
24 Nov 2016  #22
You talk as much crap as the tabloid that your Sig implies.
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #23
observvver, May is close to tying up a reciprocal agreement whereby the 3.5 Mil EU migrants get to stay after Brexit , I am on the same page as you when it comes to unskilled sub existence dwellers who are resigned to a life of benefits at 18 just like the generations before them. What's the choice higher taxes and pay for the scroungers or a dose of tough love, withdraw their benefits and force them into the workplace. As I stated from the get-go you should be able to drink from the well, what you have put into the well. As for the housing crisis in the south east, relocate the long term unemployed to areas which are full of unemployed and free up housing for workers. London is becoming gentrified anyway.
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #24
Tictactoe, STOP TROLLING.
TicTacToe
24 Nov 2016  #25
Maybe send them to processing centres in the middle of the night by train too, get in the shower you smelly unemploymed scum yeah.

Crikey, you seem to be scum in mind and body.
Observvver
24 Nov 2016  #26
>May is close to tying up a reciprocal agreement whereby the 3.5 Mil EU migrants get to stay after Brexit

Where do you get that from? Negotiations haven't even started. The EU refuses pre-negotiations before article 50, May has said that free movement must end, and Boris has said that we'll probably leave the single market. Even if it were true, the 3.5 m will grow old, settle down and rapidly stop being dynamic. The UK economy needs a constant feed of young migrant labour. Migrant kids born into the British system just become the same as lazy Brits.

>relocate the long term unemployed to areas which are full of unemployed and free up housing for workers. London is becoming gentrified anyway

Forcible evictions? Yeah, that sounds like a vote winner!?
jon357 64 | 14,382
24 Nov 2016  #27
I don't believe the Italians, Spanish or Portuguese would accept rising your statement of rising standard of living.

The Germans certainly would. Poles too.

In capitalism winners and losers are decided by market economics

This is what we want to avoid. Winners and losers.

This is the reason UK gov have had to impose stricter rules across the board.

Unfortunately, so far the benefits cuts have largely hurt what we fortunately no longer call the 'deserving poor'.

May is close to tying up a reciprocal agreement whereby the 3.5 Mil EU migrants get to stay after Brex

Everything so far suggests she will have problems trying to have access to the single market if she wants to restrict the free movement of people.
TicTacToe
24 Nov 2016  #28
Sounds like migrants would be best suited to staying put in their home country, after all they just become peasant class before long in the UK.

Why leave to go and become trash in the end just for a few years of higher wages because you want an easy life in the UK, doesn't seem worth it.

Social disease UK, yuk best stay in Polska.
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #29
As I understand May is tying down agreements from the other EU 26 on reciprocal pacts for British expats/migrants to remain in the host nations indefinitely, UK Gov will do the same for EU 26 expats/migrants. Until May has agreement in place negotiations will not start fully on brexit.

Force-able evictions, processing centre's. trains and showers??? How could you even suggest something like that - you lefties always react the same, wails of not PC or Nazi. I am a realist, if you have two generations of feral families living in a household you are gonna get a third. Means testing before having children that's an option, compulsory military training service if you do not go on to full time job or study, that's an option. You want to live in the GBUSA carry on with the same nothing.
OP tellthetruth
24 Nov 2016  #30
I would suggest those interested place the following google- From Brexit to Brexodus - Why Poland will benefit if the UK leaves the EU.-

It works both ways.


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