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Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK?


PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
26 Mar 2012 #391
Yes, it can; we are all one race and as pointed out by previous posters - the human race

Human is not a race. Human is a species. There's no such thing as race.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
26 Mar 2012 #392
I know that in English speaking countries there were popular malicious, virulent caricatures of Jews, which depicted them as nasty individuals

Bollox.....what *the jews* get called in Poland has been unknown in England since the days of King John....plenty of idiots in America hold those weird views,but,there is a large german/Polish population in America afterall......

In England,in the old days ,ie, a bit before I was born but less than a 100 years ago..the only stereotype of jews was a bit tight/mean/canny with money,exactly the same stereotype(minus alchoholism) dumped on us Scots......slightly different to my first time in Poland where i discovered that you lot still have little hand signle secret signs for jews....that,twirly thing with your hand by your ears signifying the funny dangly hair of Orthodox Jewish men was an eye opener....

Not saying there have never been stereotypes here,that would be an absurd lie, but, it has not been backed up with violance since the middle ages,same cannot be said for Poland can it?

So,way back in the 80s when as school kids if someone owed money or wouldnt by you a 10p mix of sweeties you'd say " You dued me", yes, thats the right spelling, we had no idea that the expression had origionaly been "you Jew'd me"......
Maaarysia
26 Mar 2012 #393
what *the jews* get called in Poland

How are they called?

discovered that you lot still have little hand signle secret signs for jews....that,twirly thing with your hand by your ears signifying the funny dangly hair of Orthodox Jewish men was an eye opener....

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! I live in Poland for whole my life and never heard about such thing! "Secret sign"?! LOL
Some of your friends must have invented it and you talk it as a some well-established "secret sign". Sorry I have no influence in what kind of people you make friends with.

.plenty of idiots in America hold those weird views,but,there is a large german/Polish population in America afterall......

Do you imply that all the antisemites in the USA are people of Polish and German descent? Am I reading it right? Wow, that is astereotype, isn't it?

Not saying there have never been stereotypes here,that would be an absurd lie, but, it has not been backed up with violance since the middle ages,same cannot be said for Poland can it?

I also don't say that there is no antisemitism in Poland but if you dare to say that there is some more violence in Poland against Jewish people today than in other countries please provide a source for that.

Tell me also what was the population of Jews in Britain before II World War, I'm very curious.

In my previous comments I was merely refering to those wooden folk sculptures. As for the English speaking countries I saw once in the Internet a mug which ear was form into a nasty caricarure of a Jewish face. It was some XIX or early XX century mug, I don't remember if it was English or American, that's why I've written "English speaking countries".

In England,in the old days ,ie, a bit before I was born but less than a 100 years ago..the only stereotype of jews was a bit tight/mean/canny with money

Oh, I missed that sentece. "A bit"? Don't ridicule yourself! That was the common stereotype in pre-war Europe, including Poland, and that is the hallmark of antisemitism of that era. You've just proved that Great Britain was as antisemitic as other countries.

exactly the same stereotype(minus alchoholism) dumped on us Scots

You' must kidding! Scots are considered to be overly tight and enterprising in a positive way. It's also a world-wide stereotype but the kind of which people made and make friendly jokes. If you dare to compare it with unfair stereotypes that Jewish people fell victims of, then it means you have no sense of any objectiveness and you belittle their torments.
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
26 Mar 2012 #394
to be overly tight and enterprising in a positive way.

errh...nope
Maaarysia
26 Mar 2012 #395
I don't want to drag this subject on, but in Poland there is also such stereotype of Scots. Of course it's all with a pinch of salt, a cause for friendly jokes. For that reason I guess I know what this stereotype is about. I would compare it with the stereotype of Poznanians which are also considered to be overly tight and enterprising.

In a book of English language there was an article about a prostest of Scots who were annoyed with portraing them as stingy people. As an illustration for this article was used a Swedish ad for railways showing 2 Scots sitting in a train and the third hiding in luggage shelf ;)
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
26 Mar 2012 #396
I don't want to drag this subject on

same, hence the brevity of my previous post however in the meantime I managed to have a long, relaxing dumb so now I feel less stressed and more open to debate.. where was I..? Ah yeah, being stingy is hardly ever considered anything positive, unless... you're a Jew ;O. Erh excuse me there seem to be some commotion outside my door, some folks shouting Antisemite! Antisemite! gotta go check it out, later...
Maaarysia
26 Mar 2012 #397
being stingy is hardly ever considered anything positive

I don't agree with this statement. Maybe word stinginess alone (I guess it translates into skÄ…pstwo, sknerstwo) has some negative shade, but in general is not a very offensive word. No one will stop to like you because of stinginess, it's considered more of a little faible. Also stinginess might be associated with positive features such as frugality and thriftiness - and that's what I associate with Scots.

In case of Jews I think what isthatu2 meant was an euphemism for "greed", especially considering the fact he put the word "tight" in companionship of "canny" and "mean".
Ironside 51 | 11,510
26 Mar 2012 #398
In case of Jews I think what isthatu2 meant was an euphemism for "greed", especially considering the fact he put the word "tight" in companionship of "canny" and "mean".

isthatu2 talks bolox, covetous Jew, tips like a Jew aren't part of the Polish language vocabulary neither, Jew oven or Jew -do, Jew cock, Jew-texter, like a Jew on shrimp, Jew Goblin, jew's dozen, boo hoo Jew,

Much more stereotypic sayings in the English language than Polish.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
27 Mar 2012 #399
In case of Jews I think what isthatu2 meant was an euphemism for "greed", especially considering the fact he put the word "tight" in companionship of "canny" and "mean".

No,I did not. I meant what I said,sorry if your English comprehension lets you down,that is not my fault though. I said jewish people had the same reputation as we Scots, being tight/canny/mean with the cash. Stop twisting things people say to make them fit in with your backwoods outlook. You speak nearly as much arse as ironsides and thats going some :)

isthatu2 talks bolox, covetous Jew, tips like a Jew aren't part of the Polish language vocabulary neither, Jew oven or Jew -do, Jew cock, Jew-texter, like a Jew on shrimp, Jew Goblin, jew's dozen, boo hoo Jew, Much more stereotypic sayings in the English language than Polish.

What the hell are you smoking? Never heard of a single one of those so called English expresions you nutter.... making up random combinations of words and adding Jew does not make something an English expresion pillock. You are a fool mate, not fooling anyone though.

Lets face it,Poland gave its jews a one way ticket to the gas chambers,and the survivors a big enough kicking that most of them left, Britain gave the jews Israel yet we still have over 350.000 self identified British jews in this country....you do the friggin maths.

You really are patheticly laughable in your attempts to make up sayings........

Tell me also what was the population of Jews in Britain before II World War, I'm very curious.

Pretty fekking huge considering the tens of thousands who had flooded out of Poland over the previous 30 odd years.......somewhere between 350.ooo and 400.ooo ,no one really knows for sure though as religion was a private affair and unlike in oh so civilised mainland Europe people who did not consider themselves to be jewish were not in the figures.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,849
27 Mar 2012 #400
Much more stereotypical sayings in the English language than Polish.

I have never heard a single one of those and I am from North London.
The only thing I EVER heard was 'don't be jewish' referring to being tight fisted, similar to Scots.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
27 Mar 2012 #401
Sometimes, it is good to be jewish. Helps you save money.
fustercluck - | 1
20 Aug 2015 #402
Merged: Why are Polish people so racist towards Asian and Black people when they come to the UK?

It is something that I have experienced as a British born black/Caribbean woman. It is something that my 71 year old pensioner mother has experienced. In fact I am not aware of a single black person in my immediate circle who has not encountered virulent racism from Polish people who have moved to the UK. It feels as if the UK has regressed to the 70's & I'm amazed how many Polish people consider racism to be acceptable/legal/normal.

There are several links I would like to post:
tes.com/article.aspx?storycode=2363917
theguardian.com/society/2007/apr/15/asylum.raceintheuk
youtube.com/watch?v=c2GuMsmxW6o
euobserver.com/beyond-brussels/129694

The other problematic factor is that there is so much pathological denial from Polish people that this happens and when people like myself mention it, Polish people act as if people of colour are imagining it or as if it simply does not occur or deflect the argument and say that they experience racism from ethnic minorities. I am going to be very honest and say that I know many black and brown people who dislike Polish people BUT it is NOT because they are white (as these same black people get on very well with British and other white people); it is not because of the refrain that you have "taken jobs" (these black people are meaningfully employed). It is solely because of the racism. It ends up causing hostility and resentment which I now feel towards Polish people myself because of the number of times I have been walking down the road minding my own business only to be called a N****. I also get fed up hearing that it is "only a few Polish people" that do this when various media reports, news articles, indicate otherwise.. In fact there was a BBC radio show this morning about Polish racism within the UK targeting non white people..

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