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How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here?


Marsupial - | 880
3 Nov 2016 #451
Can't see see a legal leg to stand on. If she can ignore parliment and constitution on the basis of 37% of brexit voters of legal age than the constitution can be tossed in the bin as far as I am concerned. Popcorn time.
Marsupial - | 880
3 Nov 2016 #452
That's what constutions are in part The lies on the side of the buses the bs economic figures even for nhs ...someone has to protect people from this poison and would be dictators. Unelected people that would never had got in otherwise and were not in the running for their positions and did not face the electorate. Randoms. God save the queen alright.
Atch 22 | 4,125
3 Nov 2016 #453
The UK doesn't have a written constitution in the sense of a single document. It's made up of Acts of Parliament, court judgments and 'conventions' as they are known. The Monarchy is one of the three components of Parliament, the others being the Commons and the Lords. In law, the Queen has absolute and judicially unchalllengeable power to refuse to assent to any bill passed by the Commons and Lords but convention dictates that she invariably does.
Marsupial - | 880
3 Nov 2016 #454
Cool. So this should be an act of parliment to make it in line with normal?
Atch 22 | 4,125
3 Nov 2016 #455
Not quite sure if I understand you Marsupial, but I think the answer is no because basically an Act of Parliament is just another term for a law. An Act of Parliament either creates a new law or changes an existing one.
Atch 22 | 4,125
3 Nov 2016 #456
Ok, the court has ruled that poor old Tessie needs Parliament's approval to trigger Article 50.

Here's a summary of the judgment. The full thing is 32 pages long but this is only 2 pages and I always prefer to get information from the source and not through journalists if poss. Enjoy!

judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/summary-r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-eu-20161103.pdf
Ziemowit 14 | 4,278
3 Nov 2016 #457
the Queen has absolute and judicially unchalllengeable power to refuse to assent to any bill passed by the Commons and Lords but convention dictates that she invariably does.

Indeed. If Parliament passed a bill to behead the Queen in the Tower of London in a desperate attempt to enable her heir to ascend the throne before the latter dies, the Queen would have no other choice than to sign such a bill.

That is how constitutional monarchy works. God save the Queen!
Atch 22 | 4,125
3 Nov 2016 #458
Parliament couldn't pass such a bill Ziem. Regicide is a treasonable offence :)) Although ironically Ollie Cromwell saw to it that Charles I was executed for treason! It's all delightfully quirky isn't it?
peterweg 37 | 2,311
3 Nov 2016 #459
And didn't they return the complement when the rown was reinstated by digging up Cromwell's body, putting him on trial and 'executing the corpse'?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell%27s_head
Atch 22 | 4,125
3 Nov 2016 #460
They did indeed, but on the other hand they didn't lay a hand on his son Richard who had succeeded him. He was allowed to simply retire to his country estates. He himself chose to leave England though he returned in his later years and lived well into his eighties. The other son Henry was also left to his own devices and was allowed to keep his estates in Ireland as well as his English property. In a different kind of society, quite a bit of vengeance might have been visited upon Cromwell's family.
Ironside 53 | 12,424
3 Nov 2016 #461
In a different kind of society, quite a bit of vengeance might have been visited upon Cromwell's family.

Why? Cromwell defended power, money and land grab of the Protestant new elite in England. Since his days their right to rule of the country has no been challenged. They could forgive him that he went too far in his moping actions.
JoinedToPostShi
3 Nov 2016 #462
It was seen as a war between the Saxons and the Normans.
TicTacToe
3 Nov 2016 #463
Hedge fund managers = 1
Peasant working class voters = 0
johnny reb 49 | 7,094
3 Nov 2016 #464
The financial sector who are opposed to the Brexit are seeing a glimmer of hope as the pound, which has lost about a fifth of its value since the June decision to leave, shot up on the verdict, rising 1.1 percent to $1.2430.

And as the saying goes, money talks and b.s. walks.
Most of the Poles who are in Britain have gone their for the money so it would be in their favor if the verdict is upheld.

Not only the Poles but the world market if you look at it from the financial aspect of it. IMO
Marsupial - | 880
3 Nov 2016 #465
None of that matters. What matters is that uk is run by the unelected atm who attained power on bollocks and the unproven driven by dummies. You would not want this precedent in the future. Now parliment can vote legally and precedent has been removed.
TicTacToe
3 Nov 2016 #466
Gordon Brown was unelected and implemented tax credits which many Poles enjoy, should that be withdrawn also, he also sold of the British gold reserves, maybe he should be hung, I'd be for that.
Marsupial - | 880
4 Nov 2016 #467
You got to ask yourself this....how is it that the uk can have all these changes be it gordons or whoevers done to it by unelected swill? How? Something is failing there.
Wincig 2 | 227
4 Nov 2016 #468
He must have heard on the grapevine (ie from the lady herself) that the decision in the case will be in the government's favour

Maybe he is a little hard of hearing?
Atch 22 | 4,125
4 Nov 2016 #469
Oh he seems to have made a total eejit of himself as usual. However, the Supreme Court challenge by the government will be heard in December so there's still a chance that he's right - he said December or January, typically Irish you see, we find it very hard to commit to anything definite, 'that would be an ecumenical matter' to quote Fr Ted!
Atch 22 | 4,125
8 Dec 2016 #470
In case anybody's interested, British MPs have voted by a majority to back Theresa May in triggering Article 50, effectively pre-empting the result of the Supreme Court case which is currently underway. Does anyone see a touch of the old Whitehall machinations in the style of Yes Prime Minister?! A clever move, because she has now basically already secured parliament's approval so the result of the court case becomes somewhat irrelevant.
dolnoslask 6 | 2,935
8 Dec 2016 #471
triggering Article 50,

It's going to be an exciting ride thats for sure, the EU politicians are trying to be nice and civil at the moment, but just wait until it is triggered, all the rivalries of the past will come to the fore, with France and Germany at the head of the lynch mob.

Which side of the fence will Poland sit? will Poland become the voice of reason and reconcilliation, Will Donald Tusk on his return from his post at the EU have a negative or positive stance on British Brexit.
Atch 22 | 4,125
8 Dec 2016 #472
Well I think Tusk is pretty much pro-Europe and won't want to see Britain pull out of the EU. But Poland is not especially keen on the EU or on Britain either! I don't think it would bother Poland to see Britain come out of the EU as long as Poles in the UK don't suffer but I think Poland would certainly want to see the UK get a good deal in terms of the free market etc simply for Poland's benefit in terms of trading with them. I believe that Poland itself doesn't really like being in the EU because they perceive it as impingeing on their self-determination and sovereignty. They'd probably quite like to see it break up. Britain leaving would pave the way and Poland ,if they went the same way at some point, would be happy to strike a trade alliance with Britain in the future. So I think Poland will want to work on fostering very good relations with a post-Brexit Britain.
Atch 22 | 4,125
13 Dec 2016 #473
Another Brexit legal challenge - this time with Ireland as the defendants! The whole Brexit thing is becoming quite surreal. An English QC has raised the 70 grand he needs (through crowd funding) to bring a case against the Irish state, yes the Irish state if you don't mind. Basically using the Irish high court as a back door to the European court. The unmitigated cheek. The thinking is that we won't want to get involved in the matter in any depth so we'll pass it on to Europe.

According to the Irish Times, 'The case has been taken to Ireland in order to be heard by another EU member state, with a similar legal system to that of the UK. It will argue that Article 50 may have already been triggered and so other EU nations have broken the rules by not engaging in negotiations with the UK about withdrawal'.

The Irish government is joint defendant with the European Council and the European Commission. What really infuriates me is the fact that this QC chappie, who's making use of us (bet he's never even been on holidays in Ireland) made some ludicrous speech about the people of Ireland deserving a government who will look after their interests. Bog off and keep your nose out of our affairs, thank you very much. Brexit is not our fault, we didn't vote for it and we don't need a British barrister telling us how to run our country or what we need from our government. Ah, I feel much better now!

It might be time to start a prawdziwy Brexit thread here???
mafketis 37 | 10,894
13 Dec 2016 #474
The whole Brexit thing is becoming quite surreal.

Yes, what's interesting is that the more pro-EU a person is the less they seem interested in democracy....

If they had a sense of humor and could get the joke then it would be really funny.


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