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Female health in Britain - Polish view


OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #61
What a silly question. I'm running a firm, I'm self employed. Before that i was working as an Assistant Accountant. My family has never taken money from other people.

(though due to Socialism, if my family bought milk in Poland, it automatically meant using subsidies. Satanic system)
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
7 Apr 2010 #62
Something doesn't add up here, you're running your own firm, but yet you say you're only here for your BF and that you don't consider yourself an immigrant?

You reside in a country, you have a business in a country, you pay tax in a country and yet you still don't consider yourself as a resident in that country?

About your question with smear tests and gyno. Our GP's are trained and expected to deal with a wide range of different diagnoses. Before you go to a gyno you are expected to have primary tests done at your GP, because the majority of complaints can be treated by the GP and don't need to be referred to the next level. If a GP cannot diagnose a specific illness ect then you will be referred to the gyno and because tests have already taken place from the GP then you will be a lot quicker diagnosed by the gyno.

The reasons why this system is in place in almost every modern health care system is for many reasons.
1. That you don't have patients taking up precious time that specialists have treating illness' that can be treated in the first step. I.E your primary visit to your GP or health care nurse.

2. Another point I'll make a lot more extreme. The system in Poland at the moment unlike the UK means that if a patient breaks an arms, leg ect and turns up at the nearest A&E department they have a high chance that they may be told to go and find another hospital as the correct "specialist" is not on duty at that moment. The time it takes for a patient to go from one hospital to another, or to wait in A&E for a correct specialist could be the difference between life and death.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #63
Something doesn't add up here, you're running your own firm, but yet you say you're only here for your BF

do you suggest I should sit at home??? Of course I need to do something! I'm not a wag. I'm a resident and pay taxes here. Yes.

I didn't say that our system was perfect. It is far from it.

Could you please stay on the topic that you started with your original post on page one.
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Apr 2010 #64
though due to Socialism, if my family bought milk in Poland, it automatically meant using subsidies. Satanic system

That's actually a great comment. Thanks to the EU, almost all of our agricultural products are subsidized. Yay!
Honest George 1 | 105
8 Apr 2010 #65
(Like they suck out everyone else. Poland trains people and pays for the education, and then Britain sends their recruitment fairs here and steals our educated people.

You are one hell of a dreamer.

Absolutely pathetic statement.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240
8 Apr 2010 #66
I never really had that much of a problem with doctors in UK. Haven't you heard about walk-in clinics Ksysia? You just come in and wait your turn. It's pretty straightforward. I've heard some bad stuff about the care of pregnant women in UK and know a few Polish women who actually went back to Poland for the last few months of their pregnancy because their GP refused to look into or check something cos they couldn't be bothered or said it's 'fine'. The only time i ever had a problem is when i went for a consultation and i've been told i'll be having a scan afterwards, so i assumed they'd book me in for a scan but when i got to the X-ray dept they turned me away and said i have to book it myself and that they have no more appointments on the day of my consultation. Kinda stupid, considering the hospital actually told me i WILL be having a scan. My friend's teenage son broke his arm and the A&E staff drugged him up on morphine for a good few hours before anyone bothered to look at him. His arm swell up about 3 times the normal size and he was hallucinating, crying and passing out throughout that time. Oh and please don't get me started on emergency dentist appointments!
Cardno85 31 | 976
8 Apr 2010 #67
Keep in mind as well Ksysia that your level of health care (not that I agree with it) will also depend on where you are in the country, sometimes even what part of a particular city you are in. In Glasgow for example I would try to avoid going to the Royal Infirmary or the Victoria, but instead would always go to the Western or the Southern General because the waiting times are shorter and they are known to deliver a better sense of care.

As for GPs, it's just luck of the draw. I have had 2, one in Glasgow who is excellent and another in Inveraray who was downright dangerous...I have signed various petitions to have him removed from the post after he refused to treat people he didn't like, and misdiagnosed multiple people.

Then emergency dental treatment, I have never had to use it, but I have heard nothing but good things from any friends who used the dental hospital in Glasgow.

I guess it's because there is not just one NHS, but there are 4 different organisations in each of the 4 countries of Great Britain, and then of course there will be regional offices that head up different areas. Not really great Ksysia I agreee, but it very much depends on luck as to wether you get good treatment or bad.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
9 Apr 2010 #68
In England they just go ahead, grow a bump, and call a midwife.

Yep and our mortality rates are just fine...So what is your problem with our womens health service? As I have already stated, I had cancer, nearly 8 years ago and Im fine...Also all my friends have given birth in our disgusting health service and *shudder" their kids have survived and so did they!! Funnily enough, your lot are breeding like phucking rats over here and seem to be doing okay too!

Sweetie, my country isnt perfect and I know that, but your country cant even accommodate its own...when Poland can do that, you can slag my country and its faults off..Until then, when you are enjoying a job over here...STFU! or go and transform your own country...
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,105
9 Apr 2010 #69
and another in Inveraray who was downright dangerous...I have signed various petitions to have him removed from the post after he refused to treat people he didn't like, and misdiagnosed multiple people.

Petitions are great but if you asked every person who wanted to sign the petition to submit a letter of complaint to the relevant person in the NHS the outcome would be different and quicker.

Ksysia
I've never really heard of any problems concerning female health care in Britain and believe me I would if it happened often. I missed one smear appointment and they badgered me relentlessly until I made a new one, for example.

My sister had an abnormal result form a smear and she was dealt with very well, Amathyst has no complaints from her own scary ordeal. The system here is good, very, very good and we don't let people suffer.

What is the issue with midwifery? Midwifes here are specialised in their fields and often doctors take their advice as good and there are no issues. So is that problem that we say "this is your midwife" rather than "this is your doctor"?

Interestingly, although it must have happened, I have never personally dealt with one complaint against a midwife.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
10 Apr 2010 #70
Sorry to upset you, mod. of course there are good sides. and there are bad sides as well, like someone I know who can't get and endocrinology appointment because the NHS queue is so long... since 2007. Not that we don't have queues in Poland - of course we do.

What I picked out was of particular interest to me - why i can't just go to a gyno and have to speak to a general practitioner? I do anyway, I go to Poland for my doctors (except what I would see a first contact doctor anyway), my hair, nails and teeth. Which means a bad hair day most of the time. It would just be easier if all those things were in place.

And I really don't think female health is at it's best, but that of course means that 'best' is not the same for everyone. It seems that in the UK people suffer it through and persevere with it, rather than go to the doctor and complain and get cured. That must be linked to your WW experience, the great plagues, the famines, even the fencing of the pastures. It's very brave, but in modern times shouldn't be necessary.

And midwife is a położna, they are working in Poland as well. I think they are regarded as birth nurses, not doctors, and therefore don't lead a case.
violetta 2 | 22
10 Apr 2010 #71
of course, convex. but they really HAVE a good policy in place, if not good exercise of this policy.

Honestly, this is one of the most intelligent posts I've read on this forum in quite some time!
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Wow, is this how all Brits react to a little bit of criticism and personal opinion? Ouch, aggressive type, hmm?

She's stating her opinion, and maybe speaking of her own experience. Its funny, how you're in a Polish forum but seem to be bashing Poland left and right..

Where's the logic?

Hello, logic? Where are you? Hellooooo? o_O

No wonder Poles work in England for awhile and always come back home. Wouldn't want to be in a country where everyone looks down on me either....some jobs.....:underpaid, overworked, and discriminated left and right behind our backs...

Yay for England....
Wroclaw Boy
10 Apr 2010 #72
They don't have specialist doctors available on a same day visit. They don't have gynaecologists easily available either, and the check-ups are done by your local GP.

The gynaecolgy department in the UK sucks in comparison to Poland.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
11 Apr 2010 #73
Wow, is this how all Brits react to a little bit of criticism and personal opinion? Ouch, aggressive type, hmm?

Ah yes. They are no longer the brave seamen, but they still have this piratical attitude ;) They make good friends once you bash through this roughness on the surface.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499
11 Apr 2010 #74
Female health in Britain

In Britan there are four publically funded healthcare systems.

Yay for England....

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all have their own lines of accountability and their own health priorities.
violetta 2 | 22
11 Apr 2010 #75
You do know I was being sarcastic, right?
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499
11 Apr 2010 #76
Passed me by I'm afraid.

The thread title refers to British healthcare - the OP then goes on to describe English healthcare experiences.

Point being - there is a difference.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
12 Apr 2010 #77
Point being - there is a difference.

Sorry about that, Szkotja
DannyJ - | 129
12 Apr 2010 #78
I think all us from the UK have forgot one thing, everything is better, and works better in Poland (so my woman keeps b*itching)
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
13 Apr 2010 #79
Oh she's just wrong. England is so much better, that if something somewhere is not perfectly ideal, but better than in England, then it's still worse, because the betterness of England is just so much better. And if somehting somewhere is worse, then it just proves that England was better in the first place. That's why there's no need in improving anything - it's better anyway.
king polkacanon - | 57
13 Apr 2010 #80
I amafraid you are all wrong.Everything is better in Balkans except the coiffures.
time means 5 | 1,310
13 Apr 2010 #81
England is so much better,

Finally you have come round to our way of thinking Ksyia, you have taken your time but my faith in you never faltered and i knew you would get there in the end :-)
Varsovian 92 | 634
13 Apr 2010 #82
I haven't been bothered to read previous posts, so forgive my laziness if I'm repeating anyone BUT ...

A. UK healthcare is OK, not excellent.
B. Pay your money in the Warsaw area and you get better.
C. UK women die of heart attacks during birth because they are TOO OLD and TOO FAT.

Humans are programmed to die at around 40. Healthier modern living (i.e. lack of famine etc) makes most of us live beyond that. BUT birthing is tough, and women are programmed by nature to stop doing it around 30. The dumbo girlie mags (no, I'm not talking prn - something far less cerebral like "Chat") tell women to have "fun" before having kids, i.e. to ensure that grandma is just a concept you read about in fairy stories.

Feminism sucks for the very reason that it is THE driving force behind delayed age at first birth. Ask any woman who is dying of breast cancer if she, with the benefit of hindsight, would have had kids earlier. What an irony: FEMINISM KILLS WOMEN FOR "FUN".
Cardno85 31 | 976
13 Apr 2010 #83
B. Pay your money in the Warsaw area and you get better.

Pay money in the UK and you will get a better level of health care too.

Humans are programmed to die at around 40.

Interesting point there. We do hear that women are having children later and later. Now I'm not a doctor and so I don't know if the human body is capable of this better now than in the past. But for either parent, having a child too late is not as fair on the child in my opinion. Not just childbirth is hard on the human body, but raising a child is too. I am all for the younger generation caring for their elders, but after they have had a chance to live their own life. Not having to support frail parents pretty much after they leave school...but I am straying off the point.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
13 Apr 2010 #84
Finally you have come round to our way of thinking Ksyia, you have taken your time but my faith in you never faltered and i knew you would get there in the end :-)

My struggle is now over, time means ;)

I get offers of private healthcare in the UK, too.

And I just want to say: if there is social healthcare in the UK, then it is as wasteful and grim as in any socialist country. The private one is probably as good as any capitalist one.
doctorgrenades - | 20
15 Apr 2010 #85
Wow, is this how all Brits react to a little bit of criticism and personal opinion? Ouch, aggressive type, hmm?

god bless this great land and all the polish slaves cleaning its toilets. yay indeed
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
15 Apr 2010 #86
I can offer you a cleaning job in my bar, but I won't pay you much. And keep away from the customers.

(didn't I say they have a racist attitude?)
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,781
15 Apr 2010 #87
PMSL!!!!
If you want to be a victim, it's your choice.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
15 Apr 2010 #88
C. UK women die of heart attacks during birth because they are TOO OLD and TOO FAT.

Actually women have been giving birth and having kids into their 40 for centuries, my mums mum was 42 when she had her :D

I also know plenty of women who tried to have kids for years and then got pregnant in their late 30s....so much for nature being programmed to stop us wanting to "do it" past 30!

By the way UK health is much better than OK, its actually very good.

Pay money in the UK and you will get a better level of healthcare too.

A lot of people do it..I have private health care with work, but Im happy to use the NHS.
southern 75 | 7,096
15 Apr 2010 #89
can offer you a cleaning job in my bar, but I won't pay you much.

If he can lick also your feet it will be nice.
doctorgrenades - | 20
16 Apr 2010 #90
I can offer you a cleaning job in my bar, but I won't pay you much. And keep away from the customers.

i doubt you have any customers


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