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Female health in Britain - Polish view


Steveramsfan 2 | 306
7 Apr 2010 #31
If a midwife is just as good, why didn't she study to become a doctor?

Because she wanted to be a Midwife. A midwife specialises in Child Birth, a doctor only specialises at a later date after he is a doctor. A Midwife is able to deliver a baby, the doctor is there for any complications.

A GP is there to diagnose if a specialist needs to look at something. If they just refer you with only a glance then they are lazy. A GP should not be on the front line of Medicine if he is dangerous.

Taking your Girlfriend to a gynaecologist does not show maturity or you care. Maybe to you it does, but you are not every girl, my girlfriend would never let me go with her to see a gynaecologist.

It's irresponsible to not check your girlfriend has STD's before you have sex? Do you believe in Pre-Nuptuals too.

Where does trust come into it?
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #32
It's irresponsible to not check your girlfriend has STD's before you have sex? Do you believe in Pre-Nuptuals too.

Where does trust come into it?

We don't do it to check if she has an STD, we do it because in Poland doctors recommend to get a check up every six month for a sexually active person. Like checking the teeth exery six months. And guys go with the girl before her first time, to show care, because the first pelvic is always kinda scary for a young girl.
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Apr 2010 #33
It's irresponsible to not check your girlfriend has STD's before you have sex?

Bag it up, or roll the dice.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
7 Apr 2010 #34
They don't have gynaecologists easily available either, and the check-ups are done by your local GP.

That is not the worst. You can't legally get a smear before you're 25.

Aparently women under the age of 25 are not particularly at risk, so why waste money? But at the same time, if someone asks for a smear they are unlikely to be refused.

which must logically mean that boyfriends don't take the girlfriends for a visit to the gynaecologist before they have sex for the first time. That's irresponsible, and guys are missing out on a good occasion to show care and maturity, and hold your hand before your first pelvic.

Maybe this is a popular date in Poland, not sure it'll catch on in the UK though.

From my personal experience (I had cervical cancer) I can say that I had excellent treatment, I was on 6 monthy check-ups for 2 years and for the last 5

years Ive had yearly check-ups, the smear that diagnoised the cancer was done by my practice nurse, not a specialist, they were the ones who treated me.

If a midwife is just as good, why didn't she study to become a doctor?

She is a specalist and the training is pretty hard going and Id rather have an experienced midwife deliver my child than some doctor who has never done it before.

As for not getting smears under the age of 25, I think it's a total disgrace. You'd do better spending money on the smears for young women, than on free contraception for teenage girls that can't stop themselves from jumping into bed with anyone.

We'd do better to educate women to ensure that condoms are used and that would lower the rate of pregnancy and cervical cancer, so contraception isnt a bad thing.

has decided that the extra cost of screening this age group is worth it.

Simply because its rare for a woman at this age to get cancer.

If foreign women dont like the system here, then they can go back to their own little paradice and enjoy all the specialist treatment they want! Im happy with it and so are all my friends!
Cardno85 31 | 976
7 Apr 2010 #35
She is a specalist and the training is pretty hard going and Id rather have an experienced midwife deliver my child than some doctor who has never done it before.

I have to agree with this. Just because you don't call a midwife "Doctor Whatever" doesn't mean they are less qualified. I would go as far as to say that most doctors would feel rather stressed and probably struggle through the childbirth process. Midwives are specialists in their chosen field. I wouldn't want one operating on my heart...but then (if I were a girl) I would rather have a midwife on hand than a doctor when giving birth.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #36
I did notice a completely different attitude in England to breeding.

My Polish friends who are trying for a baby go to a przychodnia a year earlier, get toxoplasmosis and other pet influences (this one is from keeping a cat) treated, then they get vaccines, then they get vitamins and minerals, visit a doctor during pregnancy, get carefully weighed.

In England they just go ahead, grow a bump, and call a midwife.

You can see the difference in breeding rates here: Poland -0,47% last year, England +0,279%.

I prefer our way as more civillised, but I bet you prefer your as more traditional. It's just a shame that when a colleague from one company gave birth, her STD got in the baby's eyes (cured successfully later)

It's all very dreadful.

But, if you want to compare things, Russia has even higher medical and hygiene policies.

[On the side: Aligning ours with the Eastern Bloc is one of the good things (naturally, apart from all the bad things) for Poland, because it let us keep the heritage of old Polis scientists, like Jędrzej Śniadecki. That and a proper łaźnia bath and you can't go wrong]
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
7 Apr 2010 #37
well, I remember that pregnancy in Poland is almost treated like illness, while in the UK it is treated as part of the human condition. I don't think that either approach is wrong.
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Apr 2010 #38
But, if you want to compare things, Russia has even higher medical and hygiene policies.

Bwahahaha

This all probably explains why the infant mortality rate is high in the UK, lower in Poland, and even lower in Russia... Wait, it's the other way around...strike that comment.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #39
I love that comment, convex. How aggressive the Anglophones get when hearing that they are not 'ze bestest'. It explains a lot of things to me.
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Apr 2010 #40
Have you ever been treated in a Russian hospital? Just saying, again, it's a personal experience thing. I wouldn't want my child born in Barnaul, getting xrays left a bad enough taste in my mouth.

It's not aggression, it's just simple numbers. Why not use the Czech Republic as an example? They're doing it right. The Russians most certainly are not. The Scandinavians know what they're doing, so do the rich Asian countries.

There has to be some reason that babies born in Poland are twice as likely as dying at birth than Singaporean babies. Also has to be some reason that Russian babies are nearly three times more likely to die than Polish babies.

Just numbers.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #41
of course, convex. but they really HAVE a good policy in place, if not good exercise of this policy. I would like to mention good things if they are true and bad things if they are true. I don't want to select credible examples easy to believe for everyone, because that creates this strange bubble of misinformation that people in the Island live in.

(for truth, I'm now adding that in Poland we also live in a bubble. English bubble is about how grand is this Island, while it's poorly housed. Polish bubble is about thinking about inferiority complexes and German/Russian politics, like there were no other countries in the world and no other problems)
king polkacanon - | 57
7 Apr 2010 #42
Guys don't search about newborn mortality rates.It's more complicated than you think.
So the polish collegue of Ksysia gave birth to a mixed baby who had chlamydia because the Polka slept with other men as well?Interesting.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #43
Not, it was a British woman. That company hired only one Polka - me.

Oh, and I've found something about midwives - położne are being sucked out by the UK, of course.

(Like they suck out everyone else. Poland trains people and pays for the education, and then Britain sends their recruitment fairs here and steals our educated people. And if only they've given them proper jobs, but no. They take educated people to underpay them, while calling us job stealers!)
time means 5 | 1,310
7 Apr 2010 #44
Poland trains people and pays for the education, and then Britain sends their recruitment fairs here and steals our educated people

Coming from someone who has fled Poland to work in the UK.

More gripes. I am sorry that the "island" isn't the utopia of Lodz that you left behind. Why did you ever leave such a perfect place anyway?
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
7 Apr 2010 #45
(Like they suck out everyone else. Poland trains people and pays for the education, and then Britain sends their recruitment fairs here and steals our educated people. And if only they've given them proper jobs, but no. They take educated people to underpay them, while calling us job stealers!)

That's just bol1ox and you know it. If Poland paid their Nurses a fair wage compared to the rest of Europe then they wouldn't need to go on strike all the time or head further ashore for a decent job that pays them a FAIR wage. It would be highly illegal for any hospital to pay a British nurse more than any other nurse from a foreign country and vice versa.

And may I add that would also include private hospitals and care homes.
king polkacanon - | 57
7 Apr 2010 #46
It is called brain drain.It happens all the time.Only here in Greece we are not damaged because there are no brains to drain.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
7 Apr 2010 #47
That's irresponsible, and guys are missing out on a good occasion to show care and maturity, and hold your hand before your first pelvic.

WTF?
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #48
It is called brain drain

ah yes. I'm feeling very drained.
and I didn't want to come or need to come, I'm only here for my boyfriend while his pumping up his CV. Why do people call us immigrants?
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
7 Apr 2010 #49
I dunno Ksysia but if you don't like it why don't you think about going home?
time means 5 | 1,310
7 Apr 2010 #50
I didn't want to come

We have gathered that from your incessant moaning.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #51
if you don't like it why don't you think about going home?

of please. why one word of criticism is ALWAYS, EVERY SINGLE TIME, taken by anglophones as sign of deep hatred? There are some things I hate, of course. There are many things I love, and I even made a long list once. Why would I not be able to live for a while here and there? Especially that I get to see the underbelly, like Alabama in the US
Cardno85 31 | 976
7 Apr 2010 #52
Why do people call us immigrants?

Because you immigrated into the UK?

Just guessin...
time means 5 | 1,310
7 Apr 2010 #53
taken by anglophones as sign of deep hatred

It isn't.

Why would I not be able to live for a while here and there?

You can but personally i would choose somewhere i liked. Clearly you do not like it here, so the simple question is why stay when you have no reason to stay (family etc)
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
7 Apr 2010 #54
she is staying there because of her boyfriend.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #55
Because you immigrated into the UK?

That's the point. I didn't. I'm living in another EU country for a while. And I'm treated like a fire escapee rowing a boat for the paradise on Earth.
time means 5 | 1,310
7 Apr 2010 #56
she is staying there because of her boyfriend.

He will take her to the gynos and hold her hand but he wont go home when she is clearly suffering, some boyfriend!
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
7 Apr 2010 #57
anglophones as sign of deep hatred?

No hatred here. Many things I don't like about the UK too. But comparing the Health Care system in the UK to the one in Poland is like comparing Ghandi to a homeless mis-guided tramp.

If you like I could give you a huge list of differences when it comes to the actual health care practice? But alas I don't, secondly most of what you are saying are lies. But instead of shooting you down, i'm quite happy to let you keep being bitter ;)

I'm living in another EU country for a while.

Are you paying tax? Are you working? Are you using the "free" health care over here?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
7 Apr 2010 #58
That's the point. I didn't. I'm living in another EU country for a while. And I'm treated like a fire escapee rowing a boat for the paradise on Earth.

why do I get a feeling that you will always find something wrong with anywhere you go.

Some people have this talent for looking at negative instead of positive and you are one of them.

How long are you gonna stay in the UK?
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
7 Apr 2010 #59
Can't right now. have to wait till the champagne place investment pays off anyhow. Some immigrant, I am. My Parents have send me start up money from Poland.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
7 Apr 2010 #60
My Parents have send me start up money from Poland.

But still, do you pay income tax? Do you have a job? Are you on benefits? or are you only here to keep the bf company?


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