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Estimated number of Poles in Ireland thought to exceed 200,000 OR over 5% of population.


milky 13 | 1,657
2 Feb 2011 #91
Holy **** puello, i hope you are joking,if not will you expand on that, or give example; is this attitude you speak of, an inculcated, perversion created by communism and the church??
Harry
2 Feb 2011 #92
With Polish population living in London estimated as 600 000, it counts for almost 25% of all foreign nationals living in London.

Can I ask for the source of that? The UK National Statistics Office says here "The Polish-born population is widely spread across the UK. In the year ending December 2009 they were one of the three largest non-UK born population groups in all countries and regions of the UK except for London, where they were fourth largest. London had 108,000 Polish-born residents, 21 per cent of the UK total." Are there really half a million non-Polish born Poles in London alone?
convex 20 | 3,978
2 Feb 2011 #93
Are there really half a million non-Polish born Poles in London alone?

It's a stretch, but could this account for part of the gap?

Immigration and emigration figures refer to long-term migrants only - that is, who have changed their usual country of residence for a period of at least 12 months.

puella 4 | 172
2 Feb 2011 #94
VERY interesting perspective. well done.

Haha, strange that you said that... Please don't congatulate me - your the last person I want to congartulate me...

an inculcated, perversion created by communism and the church??

no I'm too young to know communism and too old to believe in Church ;)))
Harry
2 Feb 2011 #95
It's a stretch, but could this account for part of the gap?

That could well account for a (small) part of the gap. I imagine the the rest of the gap would be filled by the kind of precise and detailed research that makes the Daily Mail the newspaper which it is today.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
2 Feb 2011 #96
It's quite sad but this is the way I see Poles and I guess many of mt fellow countrymen will agree with me.

Its only destroyed fabric of society and lack of a real elite.
I wouldn't say that is some kind of culture! rather anti-culture!
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
2 Feb 2011 #97
Puella - you are having a bad day!

By the way Ironside - see that post from Puella? apart from the "smiling" part, once more, you could probably substitute Ireland for Poland (if you were feeling particularly negative) together with half the countries in Europe.
Wroclaw Boy
2 Feb 2011 #98
Can I ask for the source of that?

yes my inbox, it came via a blast email form these guys but i cant find it on their site - polishexpress.polacy.co.uk/index.php?str=art&kat=125

The most recent Polish CSO data show that 2.21 million Poles have migrated for work as of 2008, of whom almost 40% were in the United Kingdom.

Further research suggests they copied it from britishfreedom.org/tag/tony-blair/ and changed the text. It appears as though they've bumped up the figures to promote their newspapers advertising potential. They should be flagged on that.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
2 Feb 2011 #99
Yes, it seems to you - well it would wouldn't it?

Explain !

What is the obsession anyway - cultural envy or something? : )

Well, you guys are often going on about culture on PF anyway, so I'm inquiring what do you mean by that.

See what I mean? No doubt works with a few more countries too.
You'll have to do better than that.

Yeah, I'm sure but they would have to prove they words - evidence is there (history) for all to see!

Seems like the pro-Brit/Pro-treaty "political" revisionist,dogs of the dominant culture have painted your view of the Island of Ireland or else your just a p1ss taker, pressing buttons. If you want to know about Ireland, read books not tabloids.

What is wrong in asking questions? You didn't answer my question by the way, you have only said that I'm wrong - care to explain why I'm wrong?

well done.

I found you rather raw.
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
2 Feb 2011 #100
Explain

As I said

...many people, from a distance, view other cultures as similar to each other. The other problem is that to define your own culture, to really distinguish it, it is usually necessary to make invidious comparisons (e.g. unlike the Germans we think abc, Although to the French xyz is important, in Ireland we...whatever) and that is just asking for trouble.

Well, you guys are often going on about culture on PF anyway

Who? when? where?

I have never "gone on" about it. Not once.

Yeah, I'm sure but they would have to prove they words - evidence is there (history) for all to see

What are you talking about now?

Listen Ironside - I'm done with this discussion. You are talking through your arse and expecting definitions of "unique cultures" when you can't even do so yourself.

I've already explained why I am unwilling to indulge you with detailed explanations/descriptions.

Good luck with your obsession.
puella 4 | 172
2 Feb 2011 #101
Who? when? where?

I remember that someone was saying that Poles don't have own culture because everything which Poles consider as their own unique culture is more or less simillar with culture/traditions of other Central and Eastern European countries.

I don't remember who said it. Maybe Delphi, maybe Harry, maybe Fuzzy...
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
2 Feb 2011 #102
Well it wasn't me anyway!
puella 4 | 172
2 Feb 2011 #103
Listen Ironside - I'm done with this discussion. You are talking through your arse and expecting definitions of "unique cultures" when you can't even do so yourself.

IS is just teasing you and you all took it too serious. But now you see how an ordinary Polish born PF user feel when need to repell stupid statments about Poland. It's like discussing with Harry, he always wants stupis proofs for obvious things...
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
2 Feb 2011 #104
But now you see how an ordinary Polish born PF user feel when need to repell stupid statments about Poland

Well, I know what you mean - but in this instance Ironside simply jumped in seemingly doubting the existence of "Irish culture" and looking for deifinitions - there were no stupid statements about Poland. I would like to think I am not generally guilty of that myself.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
2 Feb 2011 #105
What are you talking about now?

Ironside:
Irish culture is about individual freedom and self-govern society.

Does it answer your question now?

Listen Ironside - I'm done with this discussion. You are talking through your arse and expecting definitions of "unique cultures" when you can't even do so yourself.

BS, I'm stating what is unique in Polish culture (or rather was) and I can prove it, using history references.
All you are saying is that, that it is impossible to distinguish something unique about Irish culture and you apply your views to other cultures.

Well, generally European cultures are pretty similar in some ways, I grant you that, but the fact the an educated Irishman cannot find something unique in his culture, speaks volumes !

IS is just teasing you and you all took it too serious.

well, that's how its started, but then he doesn't know the answer - and he is deflecting my scrutiny by pointing at me - I did answer your questions mister, and there are no bad answers, there are only answers you can verify or not!

It is an EU education, isn't it ?
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
2 Feb 2011 #106
Does it answer your question now?

No - explain?

I'm stating what is unique in Polish culture

Oh it's unique now is it? ha ha.

Absolute rubbish. It's so unique that all you can manage to say is:

"about individual freedom and self-govern society"

Wow. I have never heard such an incisive and specific definition. It simply must be Poland you are talking about - no other country in the world could possibly have such an immediately identifiable mantra...

I did answer you mister

...with an answer that proved my point in the first place.

It is an EU education, isn't it ?

Eh??

You're simply trolling Ironside - a bit more subtle than most, but still a troll.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
2 Feb 2011 #107
No - explain?

I would but you do not listen and are unwilling to learn, you know it all, don't you?

h an answer that proved my point in the first place.

yeah right ! ignorance in action !

Eh??

Gee, you are thick - you have been given an EU education - all European cultures are similar it means they are almost the same, no uniqueness, just unimportant local variations, long live one EU state !

You're simply trolling Ironside

Whatever, lets talk about you would comprehend - do you like beer?
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
2 Feb 2011 #108
I would but you do not listen and are unwilling to learn, you know it all, don't you?

Ah I see, the troller failed in his petty task so get's all defensive.

yeah right ! ignorance in action !

...and then resorts to vague retorts rather than face the fact that he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.

Gee, you are thick

...and predictably starts getting more personal rather than accept that his posts are simply inarticulate and semi-sensical.

Whatever, lets talk about you would comprehend - do you like beer?

...and then of course leaves like a child.

Well done you utter joke.
milky 13 | 1,657
2 Feb 2011 #109
educated Irishman

Go to the library,plenty of books written by "educated people" about the Irish and their ancient history. Start with Horns
homepage.tinet.ie/~bronzeagehorns
libraryireland.com/articles/AncientIrishHorn/index.php
and work forward from there..
Wroclaw Boy
2 Feb 2011 #110
whats the issue between teffle and ironside?
Ironside 50 | 10,939
2 Feb 2011 #111
Ah I see, the troller failed in his petty task so get's all defensive.

Defensive - no! I don't have all day to sit here and answer your deflecting questions about Poland. When predictably you dismiss my answers, in return offering only your vague personal opinion and sarcasm!

You answer my original question first or admit that you are unable to do it, and we are back in business. Otherwise I cannot be bother to discus with someone who obviously is not up to it!

.and predictably starts getting more personal rather than accept that his posts are simply inarticulate and semi-sensical.

Well, you didn't understand my reference to EU education, so obviously you are not the brightest star in the galaxy, no offence meant!
Well, Do you imply that my post cannot be understood? Sorry, English is not my first language as you may have noticed!

and then of course leaves like a child.

Do I? No I don't leave, I just see no point to discus stuff
with somebody who is talking to me for one reason only, to present me as an idiot or a troll and deflect attention from his own shortcomings and inability to disuse the issue.

A fact that you getting personal in more subtle way than I, means only one thing - I'm more honest !

Well done you utter joke.

Yeah! * you too!
milky 13 | 1,657
2 Feb 2011 #112
whats the issue between teffle and ironside?

nothing..
but i remember on RTE back in 2005, a member of the audience put the following question to the panel.."with the large influx of Eastern Europeans into Ireland;could this mean, by about 2030, we could be considered a 'good looking people?'". The panel of conservative politicians looked a little shocked..LOL
George8600 10 | 637
2 Feb 2011 #113
Why?

Because the actual counted numbers and responses in census' isn't anywhere near that high. They keep assuming they miscounted, or are using illegal immigrants under the radar as an excuse. Ireland being as small as it is and these numbers way to high even for illegal immigrants is simply an excuse to cause fear or make talk of a nonexistent immigration problem. Did you see the paragraph from the article I posted?

Also don't forget that Ireland's economy is in the shitter, why would they stay if they can leave as easily as they came? Now with EU passports why not go to Germany, France, or places with flooding HDI and Happiness Index's such as Sweden or Norway? These countries have far more superior economies, HDI indicators, and immigrant options than does Ireland. For any immigrant it should be logical to stay away from any P.I.I.G.S. economy.
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
2 Feb 2011 #114
You answer my original question first

ha ha - that's an order is it?

I gave you my answer in post #89 and told you that's all you were getting - did you not understand that part?

If you don't accept that, fine.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
2 Feb 2011 #115
If you don't accept that, fine.

Well, in my opinion it only means that you are unable to answer my question or there is no culturally unique thingy, which would be characteristic exclusively to Ireland.

Well, fine!
puella 4 | 172
2 Feb 2011 #116
but i remember on RTE back in 2005, a member of the audience put the following question to the panel.."with the large influx of Eastern Europeans into Ireland;could this mean, by about 2030, we could be considered a 'good looking people?'". The panel of conservative politicians looked a little shocked..LOL

Can I watch it somewhere? ;D
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
2 Feb 2011 #117
Well, in my opinion it only means that you are unable to answer my question

Strange deduction, but never mind.

By the way, and bizarrely this may partly give you an answer at this late stage of the game, I never claimed that there was anything "unique" or "exclusive" to Ireland - just that collectively the various elements, and the Irish version of them, combine to make "a culture" and that culture is not "the same" as Britain. That's all. That's how it all started with lodz the boat - remember?

As I said, the only way anyone can really know properly is to live in a country.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
2 Feb 2011 #118
whats the issue between teffle and ironside?

Ironside is winding up Teffle by asking 'what is Irish culture' when answered he dismisses them and says there is a Polish culture but fails to reveal what it is.

In other words he's just being a knob.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
2 Feb 2011 #119
Ireland where being poor and drunk becomes an art.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
2 Feb 2011 #120
puella wrote:

Haha, strange that you said that... Please don't congatulate me - your the last person I want to congartulate me...

yeah, i get that sometimes.


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