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Estimated number of Poles in Ireland thought to exceed 200,000 OR over 5% of population.


Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
31 Jan 2011 #61
I think you may be thinking of our British neighbours

You all are British in some ways ... but anyways ... it was just curiosity as I've seen too many threads of those kinds complaining one after another!

Have fun!
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
31 Jan 2011 #62
You all are British in some ways

Well in the sense that all Poles are German or Russian maybe : )
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
31 Jan 2011 #63
No we're not :) ... We've got a different history, a different language... culture....

But anyways ... I respect your sovereignty and right of identity. It was just kidding (should've mentioned)... Cheers!
milky 13 | 1,657
31 Jan 2011 #64
Its estimated that 50,000 will leave Ireland this year,thats higher than any time in the 80's.
Also the German are shouting about the Irish, having a much more, generous social services than them...ie The dole in Ireland is twice as high as the Polish average industrial wage.

Strange times..
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
31 Jan 2011 #65
We've got a different history, a different language... culture....

As does Ireland.

That's what I'm saying.

But anyways ... I respect your sovereignty and right of identity

Oh, how very magnanimous of you !

I also accept the right of Poles not to be considered German : )
Ironside 50 | 10,939
31 Jan 2011 #66
As does Ireland.

Does she ?
like what ?
milky 13 | 1,657
31 Jan 2011 #67
Lodz_The_Boat:
We've got a different history, a different language... culture....

We even have a sea all around us,,
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
31 Jan 2011 #68
Does she ?
like what ?

Well ask a specific question and I'll maybe answer.
southern 75 | 7,096
31 Jan 2011 #69
Irsko will be hopefully slavicized.You have to celebrate the new R1a transformation.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
31 Jan 2011 #70
Well ask a specific question and I'll maybe answer.

You mean to say that you don't know?
I'm asking about that so often mentioned Irish culture.
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
31 Jan 2011 #71
You mean to say that you don't know?

No, just that I'm not about to write an essay on the subject unnecessarily.

You questioned "does she?" to the post above.

Simple answer -

Yes, obviously: different history, language, culture.

I'm asking about that so often mentioned Irish culture.

Well you can always google for an overview ; )
Ironside 50 | 10,939
31 Jan 2011 #72
culture.

Could explain that to me ? You guys are going about culture and all, you see Poles don't do it, not that often anyway.

Well you can always google for an overview ; )

Eh? I know basics but I'm asking what an educated Irishman consider to be a distinctive Irish culture!?
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
31 Jan 2011 #73
You guys are going about culture and all

Where have I "gone on" about it?!

Put it this way, I can understand how to "outsiders" you may not see much of a difference but ask any Englishman living in Ireland or any Irishman living in England.

The differences are not so obvious as e.g. Germany v Italy.

The differences are sometimes subtle, sometimes less so. Many (not all, or most, but many) British or Irish people don't see much of a difference, culture-wise, between e.g. Lithuania & Poland but it doesn't mean it isn't there.

It's difficult for me as an Irishman to comment on because anything I say will be either construed as negative or simply disagreed with. You would get a better view from maybe a Pole who has lived in both countries for a reasonable length of time. I really don't want to get into it.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
31 Jan 2011 #74
I'm asking what an educated Irishman consider to be a distinctive Irish culture!?

Our own folklore, dance, traditional costumes, language, music etc... all the usual stuff that makes up a culture.
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
31 Jan 2011 #75
Indeed - but I get the impression he is looking for more than that...

you see Poles don't do it, not that often anyway.

Ahem...sorry...just noticed this.

I assume this is a joke ?!
puella 4 | 172
31 Jan 2011 #76
I also accept the right of Poles not to be considered German : )

Actually I would really enjoy if some people said that Poles are like Germans. Germans bring positive associations while Poles not necessarly.

a different language

Btw. do Irish speaks Irish on daily basis?

Does she ?
like what ?

Some call it whiskey, some call it whisky ;)

But being serious now Irish culture is pretty distinguish and I wouldn't mix up it with British.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
31 Jan 2011 #77
Some call it whiskey, some call it whisky ;)

Both are intoxicants which derail the human mind and make them act unpleasant. How unpleasant...

But being serious

Yeah thats important ...
Ironside 50 | 10,939
31 Jan 2011 #78
Our own folklore, dance, traditional costumes, language, music etc... all the usual stuff that makes up a culture.

You mean Danny Boy , green hats, language nobody is really using any-more, Guinness? :)
That is all?
Well, I grant you that - dance!
I mean is not that much, well is a way of life but more than that - potato?

I assume this is a joke ?!

Why? No!
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
31 Jan 2011 #79
That is all?

well there is also our curious culture of 1 in 20 Irish people having a Pole as a pet :)
Ironside 50 | 10,939
31 Jan 2011 #80
Ah? Now you are talking - your Irish culture is defined by Poles :)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
31 Jan 2011 #81
your Irish culture is defined by Poles

Oh yes!, it has become the height of fashion to parade your Pole around and make him do tricks like jumping through hoops, rolling over and playing dead.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
31 Jan 2011 #82
simple tricks you have been denied so far, thanks to Poles for enriching your culture !
I must say that Irish can roll over and play dead themselves quite well, mostly in front of pubs, sad that can do it only while intoxicated !

Look on the bright side of life - while that are sober they have Poles !
BBman - | 344
31 Jan 2011 #83
Sometimes you guys say that the Poles are taking over ... sometimes you say that the Indians are taking over ... sometimes you say that the Muslims are taking over! ... lol!

And sometimes you make threads asking forumers to post pictures of little children. Buzz off you pedophile.
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
31 Jan 2011 #84
You mean Danny Boy

An English song, popularised in America and sold/played to tourists who want to hear something familiar and who think it's "traditional"

green hats

See: red/white hats/T-shirts for Poland.

language nobody is really using any-more

About 10% daily, fair enough.

But by that token the cultures of Australia, the US and Britain are all "the same" because they speak the same language ?

Guinness?

Yes, it is consumed obviously - so do you think vodka drinking defines Polish culture?
Ironside 50 | 10,939
31 Jan 2011 #85
so do you think vodka drinking defines Polish culture?

I'm only asking but you are making excuses not to answer my question.
Common, do I expect to much? Coherent and to the point answer from an educated Irishman ?
As for Mr BMW he become defensive being his usual self - insecure, offensive and boring!
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
1 Feb 2011 #86
I'm only asking but you are making excuses not to answer my question.

I'm not - you need to make it clear what it is that you want to know for a start.

Firstly you appeared to reject the suggestion (@ post# 67) that Ireland has a different history, language, culture to Britain. Do you honestly think this?

Then, you seemed to expect a description of Irish culture. Better men than I have spent their entire academic careers attempting to define "culture" for a start, but assuming we can agree that it refers to a way of life, socially and psychologically, then the parameters will be mostly the same for every country.

The references will always be concerning the arts, family attitudes, attitudes to work, to socialising etc. A Hungarian might say "oh we have a rich unique tradition of literature and folklore, families are close and consulted on decisions, us Hungarians work to live rather than live to work....etc etc... and this could apply to half the countries in Europe. Unless e.g all Estonians are obssessed with cloud formations, there are very few unique points of reference for any country or culture.

Everyone likes to think that their own culture is unique (within reason) and many people, from a distance, view other cultures as similar to each other. The other problem is that to define your own culture, to really distinguish it, it is usually necessary to make invidious comparisons (e.g. unlike the Germans we think abc, Although to the French xyz is important, in Ireland we...whatever) and that is just asking for trouble.

So although I could provide you an answer of sorts, it's not easy to do so, and basically my explanation will invariably be disputed as many other countries will say "what's Irish about that? sounds like Polish/Dutch/French as well"

Put it this way, can you tell me briefly and clearly about "Polish culture" ?

Maybe you can try, but I guarantee that I could substitute at least 5 or 6 other countries in place of Poland and the description will still make perfect sense.

You have to live somewhere, or at the very least visit, to get a real flavour. Your nationality and own culture will define and filter your experience anyway: the experience and "cultural report" of a Finn may be very different that of an Italian.

I'm sure it's not the answer you want but it's all you are getting from me anyway : )
Ironside 50 | 10,939
2 Feb 2011 #87
Firstly you appeared to reject the suggestion (@ post# 67) that Ireland has a different history, language, culture to Britain. Do you honestly think this?

I wanted to know what is specific characteristic of Irish culture, except folklore, it seems to me that there only two things - rejection of foreign rule and Catholicism which allowed to survive separate identity.

Everyone likes to think that their own culture is unique

What is unique for Ireland ?

So although I could provide you an answer of sorts, it's not easy to do so, and basically my explanation will invariably be disputed as many other countries will say "what's Irish about that? sounds like Polish/Dutch/French as well"

Basically, you don't know!

can you tell me briefly and clearly about "Polish culture" ?

Almost extinct, was about individual freedom and self-govern society.
OP Teffle 22 | 1,321
2 Feb 2011 #88
it seems to me

Yes, it seems to you - well it would wouldn't it? As I said.

It seems to many that there are no discernible differences between Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Russian, Polish...cultures.

Basically, you don't know!

You can think what you like.
What is the obsession anyway - cultural envy or something? : )

Irish culture is about individual freedom and self-govern society.

See what I mean? No doubt works with a few more countries too.
You'll have to do better than that.
puella 4 | 172
2 Feb 2011 #89
Put it this way, can you tell me briefly and clearly about "Polish culture" ?

Poles are cunning. They value something which is called cwaniactwo (street smartness, slyness). They are brought up by the school with the romantic idea of patriotism but grow up to be oppostunists as this is what they are taught at homes. In Poland ethics and competence is not a merit. People just look on achievements, rarely on a way of achieving. They are completely mistrustful to each other. They see a trap and a trick everywhere. They are not willing to congregate for a greater aim. They are passive and look for other to fight for their rights. They rarely smile

It's quite sad but this is the way I see Poles and I guess many of mt fellow countrymen will agree with me.
milky 13 | 1,657
2 Feb 2011 #90
I wanted to know what is specific characteristic of Irish culture, except folklore, it seems to me that there only two things - rejection of foreign rule and Catholicism which allowed to survive separate identity.

Seems like the pro-Brit/Pro-treaty "political" revisionist,dogs of the dominant culture have painted your view of the Island of Ireland or else your just a p1ss taker, pressing buttons. If you want to know about Ireland, read books not tabloids.


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