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The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people


SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Mar 2010 #61
You could say that the Queen exists to discourage anything threatening democracy

Is that not a paradox? I know I am taking it out of context a bit but it doesn't sound right.
She is a monarch by birth and that is not democratic.

as it would seem unlikely that the Queen (or King) would allow anything to be passed which directly threatened the country.

That sounds better.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
15 Mar 2010 #62
That sounds correct.

Come on, she OK'd Margaret Thatcher AND Tony Blair.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
15 Mar 2010 #63
Is that not a paradox? I know I am taking it out of context a bit but it doesn't sound right.

It actually is, I think - it's a bit like the whole British system as a whole!

I think this is actually why Ireland has 7 year terms for President - same idea, to discourage any nonsense.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Mar 2010 #64
Come on, she OK'd Margaret Thatcher AND Tony Blair.

I edited, I thought it was to presumptuous of me to say what is ''correct'' for another country.

I think this is actually why Ireland has 7 year terms for President - same idea, to discourage any nonsense.

We elect our presidents.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Ireland#Selection
Trevek 26 | 1,702
15 Mar 2010 #65
I edited, I thought it was to presumptuous of me to say what is ''correct'' for another country.

Oh Dear! That's why you're not British, Sean ;-)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Mar 2010 #66
LOL! that made me laugh like hell :)
Trevek 26 | 1,702
15 Mar 2010 #67
We aim to please.
enkidu 7 | 623
15 Mar 2010 #68
Statutes, court judgments, treaties, lists of parliamentary constitutional conventions and the royal prerogatives. The British constitution is uncodified, not unwritten.

Constitution is above all acts. It's a source of law. Court judgments for instance are rather low-level act.
United Kingdom doesn't fit very much in the definition of constitutional monarchy or monarchy or even democracy. This country has found it's own unique way of govern.

And this is one of the factors that makes the UK such a fascinating country! :)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
15 Mar 2010 #69
We elect our presidents.

Same idea though - she (can you really have a man again after how successful Robinson and McAleese have been?) exists as a stable figure that'll refuse to pass anything exceptionally dodgy.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Mar 2010 #70
(can you really have a man again after how successful Robinson and McAleese have been?)

Sex, sex, sex, is that all you can think about? :)

I have met them both, I am a fan of Mary Robinson, very intelligent and a humanitarian, a great person in my opinion. McAleese, well, she is fine.

Same idea though

My point was that she is not elected and this sentence sounds wrong:

You could say that the Queen exists to discourage anything threatening democracy

Australia still pay taxes to the Queen, do they? I remember, quite a while ago now, there was a referendum whether Australia should cut those ties and the majority wanted to remain with the Queen. Is that right or do I have it tail before head?
Barney 15 | 1,476
15 Mar 2010 #71
can you really have a man again after how successful Robinson and McAleese have been?

The next Irish president will probably be David Norris an African born openly Gay senator who speaks with an English accent.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Norris_%28politician%29
Trevek 26 | 1,702
15 Mar 2010 #72
The next Irish president will probably be David Norris an African born openly Gay senator who speaks with an English accent.

Well, the Irish love Gay Byrne, so why not a Gay Born?
Barney 15 | 1,476
15 Mar 2010 #73
why not a Gay Born?

It will be interesting to see what the Daily Mail (Ireland) make of that and the attempt to change the blasphemy law
guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/15/ireland-referendum-blasphemy-law
Trevek 26 | 1,702
15 Mar 2010 #74
It will be interesting to see what the Daily Mail (Ireland) make of that and the attempt to change the blasphemy law.

Jezus feckin' mother of god on a stick, what feckin' blasphemy is there in Ireland?

It will be interesting to see what the Daily Mail (Ireland)

As lonmg as he's not Polish, they'll be OK.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
15 Mar 2010 #75
And almost all of them would refuse to pay more for a product produced in Britain. They might give lip service about it - but in reality, none of them want to pay 25-30% more for their British produced goods.

Wrong, I stay with o2 because they have UK based call centres, I could have slashed my contract by a 1/3 had I gone to Orange....I buy British meat and British veg and all my white appliances are Hotpoint - sorry what was that you were saying?

As for cheap backed beans...Branstons and Heinz are made in the UK and neither are cheap.

You really do think you know it all dont you Delph?

People that buy cheap products do so because they simply cant afford to buy anything else...
Trevek 26 | 1,702
24 Mar 2010 #76
Oh, the swans are back!

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260031/Immigrants-blamed-rape-river-swans-mutilated-fish-stocks-down.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo
wildrover 98 | 4,451
24 Mar 2010 #77
I am not sure i believe all this nonsense about Poles eating swans , but if its true they should be put in jail , and thrown out of the country...

I have to say i would feel just the same if English people came to my part of Poland and started eating the wildlife....

I guess somewhere in all this there is a little bit of truth , but as usual its been blown out of all proportion by the newspapers read by the idiots...

I think its probably true they are guilty of taking the fish from the river , but the swans , not sure about that at all....I have never heard of Poles eating swans in Poland..!
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
24 Mar 2010 #78
I am not sure i believe all this nonsense about Poles

If one person, even suspected of being Polish, does anything at all it is as if the whole nation does the same.
This is sensationalist horse manure typical of the Daily Mail's agenda.
dnz 17 | 710
24 Mar 2010 #79
I am not sure i believe all this nonsense about Poles eating swans , but if its true they should be put in jail , and thrown out of the country...

I do mate, One of my friends in the UK used to work for the district council maintaining the canal and promoting conservation etc and told me on several occasions that he's found Poles trying to catch the swans etc and he had to call the police (who did nothing as usual). I guess if its happening in a small cornish town then it will be happening everywhere.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
24 Mar 2010 #80
If one person, even suspected of being Polish, does anything at all it is as if the whole nation does the same.
This is sensationalist horse manure typical of the Daily Mail's agenda.

It's funny how the article is written, and only cites "Poles" and "East Europeans" (no other nationality), and then the DM faithful shriek that nowhere in the article does it say Poles were eating the swans.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,439
24 Mar 2010 #81
One of my friends in the UK used to work for the district council maintaining the canal and promoting conservation etc and told me on several occasions that he's found Poles trying to catch the swans etc and he had to call the police (who did nothing as usual).

And here again: my friend ... told me ... on several occasions ... Poles trying to catch swans ... police did not come ...

There has never been any tradition of eating swans in Poland! It would be good if you could report at least one officially documented case of Poles catching and eating swans instead of telling us about your friend who told you something about police who did nothing.
dnz 17 | 710
24 Mar 2010 #82
There has never been any tradition of eating swans in Poland! It would be good if you could report at least one officially documented case of Poles catching and eating swans instead of telling us about your friend who told you something about police who did nothing.

Its common knowledge and it was in the local paper also.

I guess poles will blame it on the government for not giving them enough handouts. Theres always someone else to blame if you're Polish.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
24 Mar 2010 #83
Its common knowledge and it was in the local paper also.

OK. I'm totally convinced now. ;->

Srsly though, I just can't help but love the way in which the British lump all Eastern and Central Europeans together, and yet get all huffy when someone makes an honest mistake and calls a Scotsman English or an Englishman Irish etc. Some of us just don't know any better, you see. You all speak English and you all look the same ;-p

Someone is probably catching swans for food. It could be the Roma gypsies from Romania, it could be the Polish homeless-and-jobless desperadoes, it could be the local (British born and bred) junkies and / or gangstas looking for a quick bite / cheap thrills. Unless and until someone actually catches them red-handed, it's all conjecture.

Until then, kindly refrain from jumping to conclusions.
enkidu 7 | 623
24 Mar 2010 #84
Theories:

- Somewhere in the Poland are people who have got a tradition of eating swans. It's a mason-like secret organsation. That's why I've never heard of them.

(another variant - some people from exotic countries like Moldovia or Romania are mistaken for Polish.
- Poor immigrants from Poland are hungry. They catch swans to survive.
(not very convincing - the ducks are smaller and it would be much easier to prepare.)
- Someone for some reason hates the swans and hire Poles to clean the rivers.
(Daily Mail high on the list of suspects)

As for the anglers - I suppose it's all true.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
24 Mar 2010 #85
Well, quite a few live in tents now. They can't afford basic supplies and have to live in abject poverty and squalor. It really says sth of how the Polish government protects its most vulnerable.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,439
24 Mar 2010 #86
Its common knowledge and it was in the local paper also.

Common knowledge is often reflected in common sayings. One of such in Poland is: jedna baba drugiej babie wsadziła raz w dupę grabie ...
landora - | 199
24 Mar 2010 #87
Its common knowledge and it was in the local paper also.

But you don't REALLY believe it, do you? :D
dnz 17 | 710
24 Mar 2010 #88
Yes I do because it actually happens,
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
24 Mar 2010 #89
They can't afford basic supplies and have to live in abject poverty and squalor. It really says sth of how the Polish government protects its most vulnerable.

AFAIK, the infamous Peterborough tent-dwellers flatly refused to go back to Poland when the Polish Embassy provided passports and transportation for them. They said they were better off living in tents on the river bank than in Poland. I guess they are either too embarrassed to go back and admit they had been roughing it all along (and their trip to the promised land was a total failure) - or they think that if they are persistent enough they will force the local authorities to take care of them - give them council housing, benefits, the works.

One way or another, they should be shipped back to Poland unless they find jobs and start taking care of themselves. The problem is that everyone seems to be treading on eggshells around them and trying to be understanding and sensitive to their "cultural background" - as if Poles in Poland usually camped out and hunted for a living.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
24 Mar 2010 #90
If you cannot sustain yourself after three months in another member state you can be deported. Whether you wish to stay or not.


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