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British - Stupidest nation in Europe


delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
15 Sep 2012 #61
Good for you but I do think they should be expelled!

They can't be, in Poland. Polish law (and the constitution) says that children have a right to an education - hence they cannot be expelled. However, a good school will deal with it, and for any external examinations, they are controlled quite rigorously (and cheating almost impossible). There is one ultimate sanction - they can fail the year in the subject, and if they fail more than one subject, they can repeat the year.

You know the score as you're in Poland but in the UK it's a problem when people claim 'real' science and engineering degrees, it's dangerous in the workplace!

It's why employers should check their background carefully - I wouldn't hire a non-UK/Polish person without checking out what they studied in great detail because I don't know foreign systems. America is quite bad for this - there seems to be no standardisation there.
poland_
15 Sep 2012 #62
I would question the intentions of a journalist who would write a story, suggesting a whole nation is uneducated based on the response of a few. There are certainly some able bodied people in the UK who could qualify as ' brainless ' although there are some brilliant minds who have inspired the world, Tim Berners-Lee comes to mind.

The fact many thousands of young Polish people travel to the UK in search of jobs and are successful, the fact thousands of young British people claim they can not find jobs and decide on a life of benefit hand outs, leads me to believe the Polish education and social system is turning out young people which have drive and ambition, which will ultimately lead to a better future for many.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
15 Sep 2012 #63
The fact many thousands of young Polish people ...

Exactly.

It's the same issue in the trucking industry in the UK. There are thousands of Brits whining that there are no jobs and that they're being undercut by the Poles/etc - yet when you get into it, it's always the same story. They want to be home at the weekends, they don't want to be flexible, etc etc - even when they can earn a decent wage. Combine that with gross inefficiency (say what you will, but the Poles will always try and make the extra grosz if they can) and you soon realise why many of them are just sitting around.

One of the real problems in the Polish education system now is that it's producing far too many graduates - we're starting to see the first signs of "I demand because I studied" - same as in the UK.
kaz200972 2 | 229
15 Sep 2012 #64
They can't be, in Poland. Polish law (and the constitution) says that children have a right to an education

Explains why people are prepared to risk cheating. I have read that there is a concerted effort to stop cheating and it's getting better, still a long way to go yet though according to people I know in Poland.

It's why employers should check their background carefully

Yes, that was one of my jobs when I was in the factory, I checked any certificates produced. Usually people were just lying or trying to pass trade school certificates off as university degrees. We soon stopped getting so many problems when it was known that I could tell the difference!!!

One case that completely threw me was a young woman who insisted she had a degree in psychology and was forever demanding an office job with better wages, ( this wouldn't have happened as her English was poor and she had no IT skills). She brought in a degree certificate from an established Polish university, subject was Psychology but she knew absolutely nothing about Psychology not even the more famous pioneers of the subject. Never did get to the bottom of that one because I couldn't get any verification from the university that she had been a student and she left the factory quite suddenly. The 'date of graduation' was 2000.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
15 Sep 2012 #65
Explains why people are prepared to risk cheating. I have read that there is a concerted effort to stop cheating and it's getting better, still a long way to go yet though according to people I know in Poland.

There is a hell of a long way to go, but it's not helped by very ineffective school leadership. For instance, there is no specific path to school management - directors are appointed from among the teaching staff and can even return to the teaching staff. They frequently still have teaching duties, too.

She brought in a degree certificate from an established Polish university

Almost certainly a fake - if she only had the certificate and not the "dyplom" (which is a little book thing) - then it was certainly lies.
teflcat 5 | 1,032
15 Sep 2012 #66
the "dyplom" (which is a little book thing)

Do you mean the Indeks?

She brought in a degree certificate

Ask to see their Indeks. It's a semester-by-semester record of their grades for each subject on their course. If they say it's in Poland, don't believe it. The degree and the Indeks go together when Polish graduates apply for jobs. As for cheating, don't get me started...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
15 Sep 2012 #67
Do you mean the Indeks?

Don't they get a separate "dyplom" booklet as well? The indeks is for the grades, but at least for graduates from UAM, they've all got a little book with their photo and details of what they passed and what form (part time, full time) that doesn't contain details of individual modules.
teflcat 5 | 1,032
15 Sep 2012 #68
As far as I know the Dyplom folder is for their degree certificate. btw the Indeks is history now. First years last academic year were not issued with one. It's all done online now (nightmare).
kaz200972 2 | 229
15 Sep 2012 #69
Almost certainly a fake - if she only had the certificate and not the "dyplom" (which is a little book thing) - then it was certainly lies.

Certainly didn't have the 'dyplom'!!!!! Solves a mystery for me, I didn't at the time think any one would have the nerve to produce a fake certificate!

The fact many thousands of young Polish people travel to the UK in search of jobs and are successful, the fact thousands of young British people claim they can not find jobs and decide on a life of benefit hand outs,

All credit to the young Poles that do go abroad to find jobs, however the situation among the young unemployed in the UK is not quite as simple as it seems.

You are sometimes dealing with people who are from families who have been unemployed for several generations and need education in Life Skills as well as academic subjects, there are also unemployment black spots too!`Plus the whole benefit system needs reorganising. There are many, many young British people who are making huge efforts to find jobs and often working in jobs that are far below their skills.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
15 Sep 2012 #71
poles

Look at this image.

Keep in mind the EU A8 nations started flooding in around 2003/2004.
Richfilth 6 | 415
15 Sep 2012 #72
And keep in mind the global economic crises that kicked in 2007/2008...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
15 Sep 2012 #73
Combined with the logical effects of Labour's "university for all" policy which was always going to result in a glut of unemployed graduates who felt that they were too good to do menial jobs...
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
15 Sep 2012 #74
There's always an excuse isn't there.. LOL
It's never anything to do with a million+ eastern europeans flooding in in less than 10 years.
I suppose all those foreigners in our factories and the warehouses replaced nobody.

In December 2013 the restrictions are lifted on Romanians and Bulgarians. I think few years after their enrichment of our society will the British on a whole will realise what's happening to this country.

Right now only the people of Peterborough, Crewe, Boston and a few more are having doubts.
landora - | 199
15 Sep 2012 #75
delphiandomine: the "dyplom" (which is a little book thing)
Do you mean the Indeks?
Ask to see their Indeks.

Let's clarify a few things:
- "dyplom" consist of two parts: a little booklet with a photo, a degree and an overall grade, and a "suplement" which contains all the grades, ECTS points and info about the systerm of education

- I have never been asked to present my Indeks to anyone (meaning the small, green booklet) - if anyone wants to see my grades, they are in the "suplement". In fact, I seem to have lost one Indeks of mine. I've never seen anyone hunting for a job with their Indeks in hand!
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
15 Sep 2012 #76
It's never anything to do with a million+ eastern europeans flooding in in less than 10 years.

According to you, it's never anything to do with all those Asian and African immigrants who came over during the same period.

In your (worthless) opinion, only Poles should be deported. I wonder why that is?
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
15 Sep 2012 #77
I wouldn't deport anyone. I'd close the door
Wroclaw Boy
15 Sep 2012 #78
They 100% need to tighten up the benefit entitlements, i used to think that Poles had to pay National Insurance for a year before they could claim benefits, but thats not the case. They are eligible for full benefits including council housing straight away, and boy are they taking advantage of that. Many of these families take full advatge of the system and hell why not, if its available.

It is common knowledge for Poles of what benefits are available.
poland_
15 Sep 2012 #79
we're starting to see the first signs of "I demand because I studied" - same as in the UK.

I believe the generation of Polish graduates we are seeing now have grown up during the good times 2003 onwards, take into consideration that the media continues to point out the Polish economy is resilient to the global downturn and you have a cocktail for ' Ego inflated graduates' who are given the mushroom treatment.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
15 Sep 2012 #80
There was a protest not so long ago about this - they were demanding good jobs and so on, but not one of them had a credible reason as to why they should get good jobs straight away. It's particularly funny hearing about graduates of worthless rubbish like pedagogics demanding a well paid job with responsibility.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
16 Sep 2012 #81
It is common knowledge for Poles of what benefits are available.

The benefit class and their sense of entitlement is a wonder to behold. Was talking to a lone parent tonight and she was telling me that she was at the council to rehouse her in a house with a garden. Currently living in a modern two bedroom apartment with her son. At expense of the state. The state pays her rent, a couple of hundred each month in child benefit, she gets lone parent allowance, back to school allowance, her ex pays maintenance and much more.

She works the 20 something hours a week allowed, before it negatively affects her benefits. Benefits cover all her bills and expenses, so the 200 plus she gets a week is her pocket money. The state picks up the rest. Ludicrous system.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
16 Sep 2012 #82
The "Single Mummy" epidemic is bleeding this country dry.

Most are British of course, but more and more Eastern Europeans are cashing in on it now.

Polish fertility rates are higher than the average Brit. I think the money goes to their head.
Maternity Grant of £500 - If on Benefits, which they usually are!
Giving birth is free on the NHS (Have to pay in Poland)

There's hundreds of "I'm Heavily Pregnant, i'm going to anglii to give birth, where do i claim the benefits" threads on the Polish e-mama.pl forums.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
16 Sep 2012 #83
so Hudson, do you spend all your spare time trawling forums that get your back up?
you should be careful you will make yourself ill.
RN< was that there in Ireland?
pip 10 | 1,659
16 Sep 2012 #84
you don't have to pay to have a child in Poland. Poland has a two tier health care system. Public and private- pay or not.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
16 Sep 2012 #85
Not really.

forum.e-mama.pl/viewforum.php?f=57&sid=3dbce6e9dde48f9081c1948e0a764b74

Most popular topic: "Sticky: Benefits and Benefits in the UK" - 96299views

if there is a mother who lives in Ireland or the UK Brit (2)
[ Go to page: 1 ... 338 , 339 , 340 ] 6,799 AMA 238695views

No smoke without fire.

There's thousands and thousands of Polish mummies in the UK sponging of the state just like the native Brits are.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
16 Sep 2012 #86
it is so easy for a single working person in a flat share to get on their high horse about being self supporting though.
I am a single mother, but did not choose it as a lifestyle, I have my own business, car etc., even paid a mortgage at one point.

It is hard work of course. I would love to be free of the state but things seem to be arranged in such a way as to make this impossible but for the highest earners.

It's about control, along with the CCTV cameras and the nanny state. The government doesn't want people to be independent of them IMHO.

Some young women from other countries don't see it that way, so come on over to take advantage of the benefits system, along with plenty of stupid homegrown women who can't see further than their next benefit payment.

so wasting your energy whinging about the subjects of this social control experiment is counter productive, and certainly a waste of your own time and energy.

In the greater scheme of things it is not even that much money, and it is certainly not yours.
Its all too simplistic to point to single mothers and declare that they are the problem.
I am seriously thinking of leaving the country to get away from this shi.t.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
16 Sep 2012 #87
Take a look at this.. 194billion on "Social Protection" incidentally the largest piece of the pie.

I'd hazard a guess it's not the dole layabouts living on 50 quid a week in their mums basement, but rather the single mummies in council houses, tax credits,

We certainly don't need the foreigners coming over here and behaving like this as well.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
16 Sep 2012 #88
and who published that hudson? duh.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
16 Sep 2012 #89
Social Welfare was originally setup to support the vulnerable and low income families.

Now it's seen as a right.

In normal countries having a baby is a very real financial consideration.
Here young girls just let any old unemployed loser spunk up them with no fear of real consequence. It's just a way to get a house and some free money.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
16 Sep 2012 #90
yeh I know but it's a government control policy....

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