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Britain... What the Poles did for us.


Harry
2 Mar 2010  #391
he exactly knew it was far more worse in Poland.

Strange, isn't it: a former PM of Britain knew what was right for Poland and opposed what happened post WWII but a former PM of Poland took the opposite approach & knew what was worse for poland. And despite that, Poles always blame the British former PM and never the Polish PM.
jonni 16 | 2,485
2 Mar 2010  #392
Poles always blame the British former PM and never the Polish PM.

Par for the course :-(
Marek11111 9 | 816
2 Mar 2010  #393
As British former PM was active participant in selling Poland and the Polish PM was not
jonni 16 | 2,485
2 Mar 2010  #394
selling Poland

Rubbish. Poland was an economically underdeveloped country next to the Soviet Union. Not Switzerland.
Marek11111 9 | 816
2 Mar 2010  #395
Yes Jonni Poland was underdeveloped and 38% of Poland was destroyed but it is not a excuse to sell Poland to Soviets.
jonni 16 | 2,485
2 Mar 2010  #396
to sell Poland to Soviets.

Nobody 'sold' Poland. It was Geopolitics. Geo = world, politics = struggle between different sections of society. Maybe Poland was a casualty of those times, but it was by no means the worst affected.

38% of Poland was destroyed

No it wasn't!

Poland was underdeveloped

It never quite got it's act together and as an independent entity has always been problematic. Had things been otherwise, Poland wouldn't have needed to expect others to preserve their independence.
Harry
2 Mar 2010  #397
Nobody 'sold' Poland.

As opposed to Ukraine, which its ally (i.e. Poland) sold to the Soviets for 30 million Roubles in gold.

Funny how Poles always forget to answer the questions about that sell out & price, just s they forget to answer the questions about what price the British 'sold' Poland for.
Ironside 48 | 9,708
2 Mar 2010  #398
It never quite got it's act together and as an independent entity has always been problematic

not true !!!

It was Geopolitics.

yes!thats correct
its not about the deed its about a way - culture thingy I gather - instead of I'm sorry we will stand by you blah blah. Poles heard well, sorry mate thats the way it is and now hit the road!

Pride is powerful thing and then 40 years of communism.

Maybe Poland was a casualty of those times, but it was by no means the worst affected.

not maybe and she was the worst affected !
jonni 16 | 2,485
2 Mar 2010  #399
not true !!!

At the time of partition it was scandalously underdeveloped.

I'm sorry we will stand by you

At least Britain stood by Poland, if nobody else did.

she was the worst affected

I'm not sure the Russians, the Chinese or the Filipinos would agree with you there.
Harry
2 Mar 2010  #400
its not about the deed its about a way

You mean like the way you sold your Ukrainian allies into Soviet oppression, locked them up in internment camps and sent anybody who objected too much to a concentration camp? Well done Poland!
Ironside 48 | 9,708
2 Mar 2010  #401
I'm sorry we will stand by you

At least Britain stood by Poland, if nobody else did.

Hey Did I say I blame Britain?
I'm trying to explain to you the reason Poles some at last blame Brits....

I'm not sure the Russians, the Chinese or the Filipinos would agree with you there.

its debatable

You mean like the way you sold your Ukrainian

harry at last they heard sorry from the Head of State

At the time of partition it was scandalously underdeveloped.

Which partition and its exaggerated greatly, some neighbors were in the same state !
jonni 16 | 2,485
2 Mar 2010  #402
Hey Did I said I blame Britain?

Every other bugger does.

Which partition and its exaggerated greatly, some neighbors were in the same state !

Yes, that's true. Though Poland's size and potential are probably part of this. I favour Adam Zamoyski's hypothesis on this.
Harry
2 Mar 2010  #403
at last they heard sorry from the Head of State

No, he was a private civilian at the time that he visited the internment camp and expressed his opinion.
Ironside 48 | 9,708
2 Mar 2010  #404
Every other bugger does.

What do you think about my explanation - why they do?

Though Poland's size and potential are probably part of this.

rather management, though not that bad like nowadays :(

Harry - at last he did it!!!!
jonni 16 | 2,485
2 Mar 2010  #405
What do you think about my explanation - why they do?

There's something in it. Americans tend to get the flak nowadays. Soon it'll all be their fault.
Harry
2 Mar 2010  #406
Harry - at last he did it!!!!

So what? Churchill used his position as British MP to decry the treatment of Poles by the government that replaced his and you still all call him every name under the sun.
Ironside 48 | 9,708
2 Mar 2010  #407
So what?

my explanation stands its culture thingy !

you still all call him every name under the sun.

I call him Winston !
Wasn't there cigarettes brand - Winston - I don't smoke, so I'm not sure!
Marek11111 9 | 816
2 Mar 2010  #408
at least we do not keep any one in ghetto for 40 years and bomb them daily
marqoz - | 195
2 Mar 2010  #409
Strange, isn't it: a former PM of Britain knew what was right for Poland and opposed what happened post WWII but a former PM of Poland took the opposite approach & knew what was worse for poland. And despite that, Poles always blame the British former PM and never the Polish PM.

What a funny logic.
Polish Mikołajczyk was maybe recklessly optimistic or he was forced by the Ally. Anyway he was a brave man.
He was in fact framed in to this position by English-American policy to hide the fact, that Poland was left to Soviets. To hide the fact and to perform a 'democracy' show in which hundreds of his party members (PSL) were killed and thousand were imprisoned, vote count forged, civilians terrorized by Soviet secret policy...

The only field where Britons fulfilled their ally obligations was to take Mikołajczyk away from this Soviet paradise.

Ironside:
at last they heard sorry from the Head of State

No, he was a private civilian at the time that he visited the internment camp and expressed his opinion.

Harry you're wrong again. Piłsudski was a Head of State (14.11.1918-11.12.1922) when he said "Gentlemen I'm very sorry" on 15.05.1921. Will it be always that with you, factoid maker. I'm trying to respect your opinions, but you're ruining it with your fact manipulations.

Churchill used his position as British MP to decry the treatment of Poles by the government that replaced his and you still all call him every name under the sun.

So you think better make blah blah than nothing. But blah blah didn't work with such guys as Soviets.
Bzibzioh
3 Mar 2010  #410
Nice try but think of a new lie: the link is provided in post 324.

Are you dyslectic or something? I asked for the link to the invitation and you gave me some Churchill's parliamentary speech which I wont bother to read as I have better things to do with half of the night. I hate to nit-pick but invitations aren't THAT long. Do you have more phony links?
Harry
3 Mar 2010  #411
The link is to a page which includes a statement to the British parliament by the British Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, i.e. the man who actually did the inviting). As for the actual invitation itself, you'd need to ask the Polish government for that: they are the ones who received it.
Torq 26 | 2,370
3 Mar 2010  #412
As for the actual invitation itself, you'd need to ask the Polish government for that: they are the ones who received it.

Come on - the British government must surely have kept a copy of it for the archives?

It must be somewhere - you could try to find it: Harry And His Amazing Quest To Find
The Lost Invitation
(it's kinda romantic, like searching for the Holy Grail.)

Imagine if you succeeded - I can see those articles in the press: "The Legendary Invitation
Finally Found!", "Poles: We though it never existed - how wrong we were!", "Polish WW2 Veterans:
We Are Sorry Great Britain", "PolishForums thread: 'Harry Is Not a Liar' gets 1000 replies,
mostly with apologies to the 'Dear Friend Of Poland' ", "Harry Receives the Order of the White
Eagle!" etc. etc.

*rolls eyes*
Bzibzioh
3 Mar 2010  #413
The link is to a page which includes a statement to the British parliament by the British Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, i.e. the man who actually did the inviting)

And you weren't nice enough to indicate, or quote, where exactly in the text those lines are. Makes one think is nothing there.

Imagine if you succeeded

I believe in Harry: the Wiki King.

HA-RRY-HA-RRY-HA-RRY
jonni 16 | 2,485
3 Mar 2010  #414
indicate, or quote, where exactly in the text those lines are

It isn't exactly a long statement. Why not brush up your literacy skills and have a look.
Marek11111 9 | 816
4 Mar 2010  #415
yes Harry produce the document that shows England invited Polish troops to Victory parade, or forever hold your peace
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,542
4 Mar 2010  #416
Come on - the British government must surely have kept a copy of it for the archives?

I had a good laugh :)
marqoz - | 195
4 Mar 2010  #417
selling Poland
Rubbish. Poland was an economically underdeveloped country next to the Soviet Union. Not Switzerland.

So it was sold cheaply, wasn't it?
jonni 16 | 2,485
4 Mar 2010  #418
"Sold" implies that there would be some advantage. "Cheaply" implies it was worth more.

Neither are true.
marqoz - | 195
4 Mar 2010  #419
Come on, Jonni. UK bought a peace and some semblance of Imperial reconstruction. However wrong deeds give bitter fruits. And Britons lost his Empire.
jonni 16 | 2,485
4 Mar 2010  #420
Britons lost his Empire.

Britain had been trying to figure out how to get rid of most of the empire for years, and the policy of the 1945 government was to start winding it down.

UK bought a peace

Peace was bought by a hard fight. Not that there was peace when Poland was liberated - the war was still raging against Japan.

wrong deeds

Do you think it would have been a "wrong deed" to act against our Soviet allies who fought long, hard and bravely to gain their sphere of influence?


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