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Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK?


OP jon357 63 | 15,068
16 Feb 2013 #31
not living in Poland I'm indeed out of touch

Perhaps you are. EU integration, so far very, very good for Poland has produced this temporary situation that will and must be corrected.
crochetbitch88 2 | 83
16 Feb 2013 #32
make them pay to use the NHS.

Poles do pay for the nhs like everyone else, whether they use it or not; that's the problem with "free" health services - that you pay for it percentage of your wages whether you choose to use its crap services or not. That's a sort of legalised robbery. I would be more than happy to be excluded from using the NHS if it also meant that I can save my contributions.
poland_
16 Feb 2013 #33
you choose to use its crap services or no

The NHS is the envy of the western world. Britain's health service makes it the only one of 11 leading industrialised nations where wealth does not determine access to care – providing the most widely accessible treatments at low cost among rich nations. The NHS workers do an admirable job under evermore difficult circumstances.. Do not be so naive regarding the NHS - CB88.
OP jon357 63 | 15,068
16 Feb 2013 #34
Spot on. I don't see many of the Poles who've gone to the UK disdaining it for Medicover.
ToryRight - | 17
16 Feb 2013 #35
Nope.

Unless they've paid tax for 3 years the immigrant should have to pay for any NHS services. (Upfront payment)

Everyone over on the Telegraph wants this to happen, as do a lot of people on the Guardian.

If lefties want this to happen as well, I think Dave may be onto something big.
alex67 1 | 14
16 Feb 2013 #36
Personally I have no gripe with Polish people in the U.K. The majority that I have met are hard working people, why shouldn't they get benefits if they are entitled to them. Ofcourse you do get the few that do take the **** and give the rest a bad name. But the U.K has it's fair share of Brits that are bone idle, lazy, sponging bastards who have never done a days work in their life and probably never will !

The U.K needs to sort out it's own scumbags before allowing others to venture over the channel, that's where the government makes mistakes.

If people think the Poles are bad then just wait until the Bulgarians and Romanians start arriving...legally !

Great Britain.......nothing much great about it anymore......
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013 #37
Do anyone of you know any case when Poles went to Britain for NHS health treatment?
Doesn't foreigners in Poland who works have the same free access to treatment as Poles?
poland_
16 Feb 2013 #38
Doesn't foreigners in Poland who works have the same free access to treatment as Poles?

98% of foreigners in Poland have private medical insurance or pay as you go. Does anyone know of any foreigners who have been to a state hospital?
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013 #39
But you can use Polish state health care, you just don't want to, don't you?
poland_
16 Feb 2013 #40
The question to ask yourself - why do Polish companies provide foreigners with private medical insurance as part of the package?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Feb 2013 #41
The question to ask yourself

Why don't you answer Zeti's question rather than demanding that she ask herself one?
poland_
16 Feb 2013 #42
Maybe you can answer the question DE, show just how smart you are.
Wroclaw Boy
16 Feb 2013 #43
But the U.K has it's fair share of Brits that are bone idle, lazy, sponging bastards who have never done a days work in their life and probably never will !

and looking at the emplotyment prospects available for these scumbags i dont blame them. If these guys can walk into £50k a year jobs like the rich kids can then thats all well and good, but realistically they cant. Its crap jobs, crap money, crap living standards.
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013 #44
The question to ask yourself - why do Polish companies provide foreigners with private medical insurance as part of the package?

For the same reason thet many companies provides for their Polish workers private insurance: to give them better, queue-free health care.
ifor bach 11 | 152
16 Feb 2013 #45
Does anyone know of any foreigners who have been to a state hospital?

I have.
poland_
16 Feb 2013 #46
And your experience?
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013 #47
warszawski

Will I see any reply?
Wroclaw Boy
16 Feb 2013 #48
warszawski:
Does anyone know of any foreigners who have been to a state hospital?

I have.

i have aswell actually, i had my apendix out over there, last thing i remember thinking before they put me under anaesthetic was - that operating light looks like something from the 1970's.

it was a nice new hospital though.
OP jon357 63 | 15,068
16 Feb 2013 #49
98% of foreigners in Poland have private medical insurance or pay as you go. Does anyone know of any foreigners who have been to a state hospital?

I have a few times. Very hit and miss.
poland_
16 Feb 2013 #50
Will I see any reply?

I agree with the Doctors and nurses working for the Polish state health care, it is under funded. I visited a state hospital many years ago for an xray the technology and conditions caused me concern, I have never been to a Polish state hospital since.

The answer to your question, I could visit a Polish state hospital, although I could also live in state housing - I choose not to because I don't want to. In the UK I would without question use the NHS for my medical needs, only because I trust their procedures and professionalism. I would like to qualify, by stating we are comparing the standards of the British/Polish state hospitals NOT the Doctors and nurses.
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013 #51
I would like to qualify, by stating we are comparing the standards of the British/Polish state hospitals NOT the Doctors and nurses.

I don't compare anything or anybody. My question stems from the idea, that someone here has mentioned, to devoid EU immigrants in Great Britain NHS healthcare for 3 years.
poland_
16 Feb 2013 #52
If I had not paid taxes and zus in Poland I would have no entitlement to the Polish health system. Why should EU immigrants be allowed to use the NHS even before they have contributed to the UK in the form of tax and NI. There should only be one rule Zeti.
Ironside 49 | 10,375
16 Feb 2013 #53
If I had not paid taxes and zus in Poland I would have no entitlement to the Polish health system.

No you are wrong here. There are certain agreements between the UK and Poland which predate Poland accuse to the EU and regulate reciprocal access to the state heath services.

however those may have changed since Polish access to the EU.

Why should EU immigrants be allowed to use the NHS even before they have contributed to the UK i

Beats me! When in come to benefits (if I'm not mistaken)Cameron's government changed amount of time need for the EU citizens to quality for certain benefits in the UK from a two years of contribution to the NHS to two months.

Somebody looks really stupid here. Wait politicians again!
Barney 15 | 1,472
16 Feb 2013 #54
I'm sure things would change overnight if a Spanish or German style insurance system was introduced.

As much as Cameron would like to privatise the NHS he can only do what the previous labour gov did and start a limited creeping privatisation.

There is no way the British public would accept the scrapping of the single best invention in the developed world. It is political suicide and the Polish cannot be denied access to it.

Cameron’s speech is more of a sop to the little Englanders than a serious attempt or proposal to deny EU nationals equal access to services.

Edit

If I had not paid taxes and zus in Poland I would have no entitlement to the Polish health system.

As IS said that is wrong
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013 #55
If I had not paid taxes and zus in Poland I would have no entitlement to the Polish health system. Why should EU immigrants be allowed to use the NHS even before they have contributed to the UK in the form of tax and NI. There should only be one rule Zeti.

From the first month of paying the contribution you are entitled to Polish health system, no? Aren't it the same in Britain, huh?
Warszawette - | 128
16 Feb 2013 #56
Zetigrek: you cannot compare benefits in Poland with those in Western Europe. It's simply like day and night.
NFZ is rather substandard compared to western systems (Polish hospitals are a lot behind: multibed rooms, patients have to bring their toilet paper, towels, silverware and cups (only plates are supplied.....), uncomfortable beds, "food" is unacceptable (often there are strong critics in Polish newspapers about this).
poland_
16 Feb 2013 #57
From the first month of paying the contribution you are entitled to Polish health system, no? Aren't it the same in Britain, huh?

No, from applying for your tax and NI number you have access to the NHS wether you are working or not. This is the reason Polish women can go to the UK for a abortion on the NHS free of charge.
Mister H 11 | 761
16 Feb 2013 #58
This situation of allowing access to foreigners that have only just started to pay into the system is the reason why the NHS is slowly going to the wall.

It simply cannot cope with the amount of people trying to use it.

Something has to (and will eventually) give and leave politicians with some very stark choices.
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013 #59
It simply cannot cope with the amount of people trying to use it.

For what other services except abortion do Poles use it?

NFZ is rather substandard compared to western systems (Polish hospitals are a lot behind: multibed rooms, patients have to bring their toilet paper, towels, silverware and cups (only plates are supplied.....), uncomfortable beds, "food" is unacceptable (often there are strong critics in Polish newspapers about this).

So what?

Zetigrek: you cannot compare benefits in Poland with those in Western Europe. It's simply like day and night.

Do I compare it?
Mister H 11 | 761
16 Feb 2013 #60
For what other services except abortion do Poles use it?

Having babies mainly I would have thought.


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