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My Experience in Poland (compared to Germany)


OP Alltimegreat1 16 | 67
25 Sep 2017 #31
Thanks for the good advice. I'm not really considering moving to Poland right away and I wouldn't do it without the proper planning. I have no problem with corruption in government if it means having to grease a few palms to get paperwork processed faster. I also used to live in the Dominican Republic.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
25 Sep 2017 #32
I'm just trying to share my experience about visiting Poland and learn more about the country.

Same thing happened to me when I first came here Alltimegreat.
You will find many here are very helpful (like Dirk diggler is) while others are mannerless.
I, like you fantasize about living in a place like Poland to get away from the Political Correctness that I didn't have to deal with growing up.

Poland could take me back to the good old days of what America use to be like.
Some of the charter members here like to constantly intimidate new members to get them to constantly defend themselves by getting them to divulge as much personal information about themselves as they can get them to.

Don't fall for it and tell them NOTHING personal about yourself as they will use it against you forever.
That is the name of the game here.
Atch 17 | 2,918
25 Sep 2017 #33
I have no problem with corruption in government if it means having to grease a few palms to get paperwork processed faster.

Well you SHOULD have. Poland is supposed to be a modern democracy. It's a member of the European Union. You're not doing Polish people any favours by taking an attitude that encourages the kind of corruption one sees in Banana Republics. The people of Poland deserve better than that.
OP Alltimegreat1 16 | 67
25 Sep 2017 #34
My attitude is a way of dealing with corruption and is not a cause of it.
Germany is supposed to be a democracy too. It's interesting how the government and media are ganging up on the only political party in the country that advocates for referendums and denounce that party as "undemocratic." It should be obvious to anyone with a mind of his own that the German poltical system is anti-democratic.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
25 Sep 2017 #35
How on earth is paying bribes dealing with corruption? I'd love to be a fly on the wall in a government office when you offer a bribe in Poland. Twenty years ago maybe, or at ministerial level now, but not in everyday situations. EU membership has changed the mentality a lot. Perhaps you should stay where you are if your first thought about living here is to offer bribes to public servants.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
25 Sep 2017 #36
That is because the whole EU is Socialistic.

My attitude is a way of dealing with corruption and is not a cause of it.

Exactly, like being a mini lobbyist in small government.
Atch 17 | 2,918
25 Sep 2017 #37
My attitude is a way of dealing with corruption and is not a cause of it.

It perpetuates it. Anyway it's all academic. As Roger says that kind of thing is no longer the norm in Poland.
OP Alltimegreat1 16 | 67
25 Sep 2017 #38
I only mentioned the bribes in reponse to the bogus bureaucracy comment.
TheOther 5 | 3,872
25 Sep 2017 #39
It should be obvious to anyone with a mind of his own that the German poltical system is anti-democratic.

What do you consider "democratic" then? A system that allows Nazis to take over the country? Take a history book and read what happened in 1933. And by the way: do you know who actually installed that political system in (West) Germany after WW2? Look it up and then tell me if that particular country (which has only two main parties taking turns in ruling the nation for over 200 years now) is anti-democratic, too.

denounce that party as "undemocratic."

Again: do you understand European history? Ask some Polish people if they would be comfortable with an ultra right wing party ruling Germany...
Tacitus 2 | 889
25 Sep 2017 #40
@Alltimegreat1

t's interesting how the government and media are ganging up on the only political party in the country that advocates for referendums and denounce that party as "undemocratic."

I assume you are refering to the AfD? If so, you are twice mistaken. Firstly several parties are advocating for more public referendums (among them e.g. the Green party) and secondly this is not the reason why the AfD is denounced as undemocratic (which is an accusation that is hardly used, because there are several points of criticism tha are more valid).
jon357 63 | 14,255
25 Sep 2017 #41
You're not doing Polish people any favours by taking an attitude that encourages the kind of corruption one sees in Banana Republics.

Yes, it's basically disrespect to the country and its people (it doesn't work either) - it's also illegal with very good reason and a very bad idea to even try it..

ganging up on the only political party

Fascists. 'Ganging up' on them should be the default position of all decent people. Otherwise someone always gets hurt.

For me his views on Poland are just too 'sweety'. I think he is a guy with some agenda

Rare that we agree.
OP Alltimegreat1 16 | 67
25 Sep 2017 #42
Labelling a party as democratic or undemocratic is nonsense. It amounts to nothing more than name calling and is a way for authoritarian governments to arbitrarily exclude parties they don't like.
TheOther 5 | 3,872
25 Sep 2017 #43
Labelling a party as democratic or undemocratic is nonsense.

How would you label the NSDAP then? Fluffy?
OP Alltimegreat1 16 | 67
25 Sep 2017 #44
You could make a case for any party being undemocratic if you wanted to. The current German government wants to flood Germany with immigrants and any party that opposes that will be accused of being anti-democratic.
jon357 63 | 14,255
25 Sep 2017 #45
The current German coalition has been re-elected for yet another term. Therefore, their actions are democratic. Any political party that supports political and legal equality for all is democratic.
OP Alltimegreat1 16 | 67
25 Sep 2017 #46
Fair enough, but it doesn't make the other parties undemocratic.
cms 9 | 1,271
25 Sep 2017 #47
I think the AfD already split in half this morning. Like UKIP the smallest sniff of power was enough to have them at each other's throats. It's the Judean People's Front versus the People's Front of Judea.
jon357 63 | 14,255
25 Sep 2017 #48
I think the AfD already split in half this morning.

That's good news.

the smallest sniff of power was enough to have them at each other's throats

Craven individuals, ruled by fear rather than decency.

They have their parallels in Poland too, of course.
Harry
25 Sep 2017 #49
I've heard great things in particular about southeastern Poland around the Rzeszów area.

Moving to Rzeszow as a German it'll only be a matter of time before you are on the sharp end of the racism you seem to espouse.

Judean People's Front

He's over there.
OP Alltimegreat1 16 | 67
25 Sep 2017 #50
What towns in Poland are more conservative/right-wing than Rzeszow?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,475
25 Sep 2017 #52
@Alltimegreat1

Almost all of Poland is pretty conservative and Catholic. There's some differences from place to place like those in a small eastern town may be conservative (even a bit too much for me) than say from the cities. Overall though Poland is a conservative Catholic and homogenous country much more so than our western eu counterparts anyway.
TheOther 5 | 3,872
25 Sep 2017 #53
Moving to Rzeszow as a German

He claims to be an American who is fluent in German, and he dreams of moving to an ultra right wing location in Poland with "little to no third-world immigrants" because Polish waitresses are really nice and the air conditioning is better than in Germany. Sounds like a plan... :)
gumishu 11 | 5,017
25 Sep 2017 #54
Ask some Polish people if they would be comfortable with an ultra right wing party ruling Germany..

I would be happy if an anti-immigrant but otherwise normal party would rule in Germany - I don't know what AfD is about to be honest appart from the anti-immigrant stance
kaprys 2 | 1,915
25 Sep 2017 #56
It's funny how foreigners talk about bribery in Poland. I have never tried to bribe anyone and somehow manage to survive. Honestly, in what circumstances do you think you could bribe anyone to achieve something? (What?)

As for moving to Poland to live in an ultra-right society it doesn't make much sense. A nationalist won't be particularly friendly to any foreigner - white or not.

Surprisingly enough, even if the ruling party is right-winged it doesn't mean all Poles are.
And even though the majority of the society is white and Christian, it doesn't mean there are no people of colour or mixed race kids here.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
25 Sep 2017 #57
As for moving to Poland to live in an ultra-right society it doesn't make much sense.

It makes zero sense. I suggest Russia would be a far better place for him.

I would be happy if an anti-immigrant but otherwise normal party would rule in Germany

Would you? An anti-immigrant party is almost certainly going to find ways to cause trouble for the Polish community there as an easy target. Is that what you want?

He claims to be an American who is fluent in German, and he dreams of moving to an ultra right wing location in Poland

He might well be American, because that's very American logic. He won't stop to think that there's a high chance that his kids will be hurt by others in an "ultra right wing location", not that such a thing exists in Poland.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,611
25 Sep 2017 #59
an "ultra right wing location", not that such a thing exists in Poland.

Certainly it does not.

Moving to Rzeszow as a German it'll only be a matter of time before you are on the sharp end of the racism you seem to espouse.

That is a statement very close to nonsense. There was a case some time ago when a German-speaking person was attacked on a tram a Kraków by a Polish (mentally-unstable obviosly) Polish nationalist. The person, however, turned out to a ...Polish university professor who was just taking in German to a colleague from some German university. This case was so exceptional in Poland that it was widely reported in all the media, although I did not notice it was ever reported on the PolishForums by the usual suspects who are usually very keen on reporting such things (maybe because of their poor command of Polish which makes then stay away from the Polish press).
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
25 Sep 2017 #60
What town in Russia?

Try en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuva en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordovia is also worth trying - both of these places voted overwhelmingly for United Russia, which should give you what you want.

Certainly it does not.

I've been trying to think of such a place in Poland, and I can't think of anywhere. Even the worst places I've been to didn't vote for right wing parties massively.


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