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BIG LESSON (I visited and was threatened in Poland)


Patrycja19 62 | 2683
11 Jan 2012 #31
Assuming your story is true which I doubt:

what does he have to gain coming in here other then telling truth? if someone screwed him over and he knows
he frequents polish forums, I hope the SOB is reading right now and he apologizes to him for taking all his
money and making himself look like a loser , especially after this guy took care of him in his own country then
he invites him over to poland only to show him that he knows people that cheat others ?

some kind of business that is.. he needs a good swift kick in the arse..

but if you are daft enough to give money away

I think he was pressured, he did say the guy became angry, he wasnt in his comfort zone , he was in another
country, unfamiliar with how things work, so under pressure, not knowing if someone would help you, honestly
I think he did what he had to, maybe we arent hearing the whole story, maybe there was more violence then
he said in here, and of course who the hell wouldnt hand over money if you felt in danger.
ShortHairThug - | 1101
11 Jan 2012 #32
what does he have to gain coming in here other then telling truth?

Trolling, for all you know he could just as well be some forum member having a bit of fun here. I’m a born skeptic, never trust anybody. You Americans have one thing in common which seems to be your national trait; you’re just suckers for sob stories. Haven’t you learned your lesson yet? Even Powel made the presentation at UN based on a false story presented to him by your own intelligence agency. Prof Positive liars are everywhere. How much did that cost the tax payer?

some kind of business that is

That’s right, someone tells you he is a big businessman although he can’t pay his own bill and you believe it? Serves you right I’ll say. Perhaps that’s the reason why so many of you fall for those Nigerian scams.
Wedle 15 | 490
11 Jan 2012 #33
Yeah but they are much more common in Poland.

Only because they have no guilt in Poland, it is quite bizarre how the Poles believe stealing, cheating and lying take on a different perspective when you are Polish, because you come from a poor country. Sorry to have to tell you Poles 'Corruption is Corruption' ' dishonesty is dishonesty' no matter what country you originate from.

My opinion is 'ABU HAMDAN' is a fake ( troll), although the Pole in the story could be a real live version, from a past experience of the troll. The story falls apart at the point of his Polish friend offering his niece for sex, no self respecting Pole would have done this, he would have offered his niece for marriage, once he had you in the family, he would have sucked you dry ABU.
polmed 1 | 216
11 Jan 2012 #34
You are so prejudiced against Poles . Corruption is not a Polish specialty , vide Italy , USA , Germany etc .

It takes a total moron to believe in one word he is saying . Past experiences mixed with total confabulation - yeah right , very true .
Wedle 15 | 490
11 Jan 2012 #35
You are so prejudiced against Poles . Corruption is not a Polish specialty , vide Italy , USA , Germany etc .

Polmed, please stop being so patriotic, we are discussing Polish specific. This story is about an Arab businessman being manipulated by a Polish national on his home territory, even though the Arab has shown kindness to the Pole in his hour of need, when visiting the homeland of the Arab. If it was any other country it would have taken on racist slants by now.

Only because they have no guilt in Poland, it is quite bizarre how the Poles believe stealing, cheating and lying take on a different perspective when you are Polish, because you come from a poor country. Sorry to have to tell you Poles 'Corruption is Corruption' ' dishonesty is dishonesty' no matter what country you originate from.

The text in bold is not being anti Polish, it is fact that some Poles believe and justify their actions with these beliefs. I do not want to get involved in a debate about other nations and their national traits. We are focusing on Polish specific.
Havok 10 | 903
11 Jan 2012 #36
HI ABU HAMDAN,

I've heard of a similar case where some Arabian dude decided to find a white European wife to marry.
... So the proper Arab in my story went out of his way to make some "friends" in PL in order to find a willing “head of the family" to make a "marriage deal".

Somehow, down the road, everything evolved and got twisted around, kinda like you’ve described.

I know you're trying to go about this the right way but we have different customs. take my advice or most likely you gonna get rip off again, in disgrace...

You really don't have to ask anyone for a permission to marry a girl in PL, or throw money at them.

Go there; find someone you like and if she likes you back then she may move back with you to your sh1thut in the desert. Those are our customs....

No need for a third party, unless it's your new girlfriend’s hot girlfriend but I’m sure that doesn't apply to you because you just need a proper wife.

Anyway, I hope this make sense ABU, btw I had a really good laugh when I read your story. :)
Wroclaw Boy
11 Jan 2012 #37
Only because they have no guilt in Poland

I think its merely a case of being more normal/acceptable in Poland.

Sorry to have to tell you Poles 'Corruption is Corruption' ' dishonesty is dishonesty' no matter what country you originate from.

But if you were the son of an Aztec head hunter hundreds of years ago you would think it completey normal to wander around villages chopping peoples heads off. Its all about ones exposure.
scottie1113 7 | 898
11 Jan 2012 #38
This story is about an Arab businessman

Ha! And he didn't even know the current exchange rate for his currency? I'm laughing my you know what off reading all your replies to this troll's posts. Keep it up. I need more humor in my life.
pantsless 1 | 267
11 Jan 2012 #39
Obviously this is guy a troll because no one can be this stupid...
f stop 24 | 2495
12 Jan 2012 #40
He helped the guy in his own country, and expected similar treatment in return. I guess we can call that stupid.
Ironside 50 | 12547
12 Jan 2012 #41
Have you found a man or not yet ? Try Arab then !
f stop 24 | 2495
12 Jan 2012 #42
?? Nobody wants to talk to you? Neither do I.
Ironside 50 | 12547
12 Jan 2012 #43
not yet ? must be a problem for woman with kid.
especially for somebody like you .
Patrycja19 62 | 2683
12 Jan 2012 #44
you're just suckers for sob stories. Haven't you learned your lesson yet? Even Powel made the presentation at UN based on a false story presented to him by your own intelligence agency. Prof Positive liars are everywhere. How much did that cost the tax payer?

abu did pay his own it was the other guy, the polish guy who was out of money and abu took him in, payed all

of his food and etc.. when abu went to poland that is why he is so upset, because he did pay and he helped him

this guy invited him and still wanted him to give him all of his money, even when he was leaving!

I dont fall for any nigerian scams WTF u talkin bout thug??

this guy isnt scammin, he isnt selling us phones , or trying to get you to re-locate your money or bank.. hes
just talkin about what happened. like I said he is pretty much trying to expose him.. I wonder who this
loser is. thats who we all should be looking out for!
Wedle 15 | 490
12 Jan 2012 #45
I wonder who this loser is. thats who we all should be looking out for!

Yes, 'name and shame' your offender - Abu
ShortHairThug - | 1101
12 Jan 2012 #46
abu did pay his own it was the other guy, the polish guy who was out of money and abu took him in, payed all
of his food and etc.. when abu went to poland that is why he is so upset, because he did pay and he helped him
this guy invited him and still wanted him to give him all of his money, even when he was leaving!

Oh how dense can U be? You think I don’t get the story? That’s exactly my point; if someone invited you to Poland to hook you up with some kind of business opportunity when you previously had to provide him with the most basic of needs, would you believe he’s a businessman? Would you go? Would you believe he’s capable of being in business for himself yet alone having any kind of meaningful business contacts? A bum is a bum, perhaps you would but as far as I’m concerned that’s the reason why this story is so unbelievable, holds no water, another words (wyssana z palca). No one can be that stupid! Assuming and I strongly emphasize this word here that this story is true, then you and the Arab here have not an ounce of brains between the two of you. You let the emotions rule instead of common sense and logic so you fall prey to the most unbelievable of scams. Like I’ve said a sucker for a sob story. I know better.

I dont fall for any nigerian scams WTF u talkin bout thug?

You did for this one so give it some time, when the story is sad enough for you, you will.

this guy isnt scammin, he isnt selling us phones , or trying to get you to re-locate your money or bank.. hes
just talkin about what happened.

He’s talking out of his a** you simply confuse his farts for poetry.

thats who we all should be looking out for!

That statement sure makes it crystal clear for me now, finally I understand why you Yanks swallow the most unbelievable of lies hook line and sinker.
OP ABU HAMDAN
13 Jan 2012 #47
DEAR ALL FELLOWS,

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR RESPONSE AND KINDNESS.
I want to give answers of some questions which were pointed out by few fellows here in order to establish the fact that stroy is not a just story. its truth of our society,

The Guy who spent 1 month in my country and (was out of money,) well he was out of money becouse of his efforts/meetings/presentations to various business entities here in various sectors of business (most of his money burnt in expenses like travling, Lunch and dinner with them and some time wholeday coffee shop bills of starbucks) i think he had some 5000 $ when he arrived here) moreover hotel bills, in short while he was putting his efforts to get some business, we were useto interact, his field field and my field is entirely differnt, so i was useto help him in terms of givening him information and sort of knowledge about our country, later we became very close freinds, as he was quite senior (age) so i started admiring him too, no dount he was very good in talks,

Clarification No 2, i am from a middle class back ground, not a rich guy, just medium or average business person, and happy where ever iam,, it was him who insisted me to go with him to poland, (swear to GOD i refused him polightly more than once, but he was useto repeat his wish to go along with him, anyways after one week i agreed and i agreed to visit poland for 3 to 4 days maximum as i told him after my departure from warsaw rest pending (work if there is any) you can handle (initially plan was to open up a supply to poland of various Items) Company formation and LLC stuff could be done in my absense too,

Point No 3, I am not from any african country, nor from india, i am from famous arab country United Arab Emirates. and have no intention to make anyone fool. or to hurt someone, I Love Poland, and i Love Polish people. who said all people from poland are fraud? no i never said in any of my post, earlier i mentioned i have a new polish friend, and in future visit i would love to meet him again, as far as offer of sex from his niece is concerned.. i have no idea he was joking or he was serious, even in joke also its bad, you know why he made this type of offer? once i was calling him and he was not picking my phone, later around 8 PM he came to my hotel and was angry for my repeated calls. when i asked where were he? (we had to meet someone at early morning) he said he was busy with his girl freind since last night for sort of spritual relxation,(Girl was half of his age) and than he turned to me with smile and asked me if i have any mood of sex with girl...well,,franklly i also smiled and said i dont have any girl friend here and what you can do for me in this regard..(it was just a joke) he quickly answered why not you go with my niece,? instead of spending time and all day in hotel you should go out with her and offer her some coffee (or something i forgot wht he said) and than take her to your hotel.......i swear its true, i was shocked by earing this and quicklly changed the topic,,,,,,,,but he was continuelly laghing at me......

I know in every culture no body think even to talk about this sort of thing (niece) may be that guy wa too drunk or what no idea....

why i need to come to poland again? well why not,,i will come again and again,,,its a historical place, i ahd pictures at the statue of marshal Jozef, and enjoyed treditional food at somewhere near old town warsaw,

Poland is not a name of one bad guy, its a land of beautiful people and i am 100% sure majority of polish are 100% honest and loyel,

May GOD BLESS YOU ALL>

f stop and polmed special thanks for you both, May GOD BLESS YOU.
Wedle 15 | 490
13 Jan 2012 #48
You are so prejudiced against Poles . Corruption is not a Polish specialty

About 100 licenses have been granted.

Seven people, including government officials were arrested this week on charges of corruption in relation to the process of granting of licences for shale gas exploration.

Waldemar Tyl of the Warsaw Appeals Prosecutor's Office, who announced the charges, said bribes of tens of thousands of zlotys had been handed over in the second half of 2011 alone.

Three Environment Ministry officials, an employee of the state Geology Institute and three representatives of companies involved in shale gas exploration were arrested.

thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/81963,Shale-gas-corruption-arrests-unsurprising

Yes I am so prejudiced against Poles...

Open your eyes Polmed.
f stop 24 | 2495
13 Jan 2012 #49
f stop and polmed special thanks for you both, May GOD BLESS YOU

you're welcome,
one thing - but it was Patricja that you should have thanked, not polmed.
abuhamdan - | 3
13 Jan 2012 #50
f stop:- I am Sorry,
Patricja, so nice of you,

I have just created my account as some of our fellow guys were making jokes not having any account on polish forum and posting stories,,,
pam
13 Jan 2012 #51
Obviously this is guy a troll because no one can be this stupid...

got it in one. troll,troll,troll.
f stop 24 | 2495
13 Jan 2012 #52
Is it because he's Arab, or you don't believe Poles can be scammers?
pam
14 Jan 2012 #53
i dont care whether he is arabian or not.it doesnt matter where you come from as far as i am concerned. this guy is a troll..enough said
Patrycja19 62 | 2683
14 Jan 2012 #54
then you and the Arab here have not an ounce of brains between the two of you.

listen thug, I didnt get screwed over, I agree with abu, that he should be exposed, lets just say for a moment
that this guy didnt appear to be a threat, but honestly appeared to lost and just needed some help from a stranger
which could happen to anyone, he fooled him.. for me, I am not so trusting, so dont drag me into the equasion, because
I agree with him doesnt mean this happened to me.. so go sit and spin!

Oh how dense can U be?

you dont know me so fek off penis breath, I try to be nice, but you come in here like your king shyt
and talk down to people.. get over yourself already.

Poland is not a name of one bad guy, its a land of beautiful people and i am 100% sure majority of polish are 100% honest and loyel,

abu I am glad you dont hold a grudge, this man was obviously not who he said he was to you, but you couldnt have

known the truth, I am sure he has done this to his own people , eventually he will get caught , its not a life to lead

of course you know that.. if you do visit poland just be more cautious..

and dont listen to thug, for someone who claims hes not so trusting, how can he expect people to believe
him when he picks a name like thug??
yeah, your credible.. fekin go sit down.
ShortHairThug - | 1101
14 Jan 2012 #55
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Have you really thought it through? You had ample of time to straighten out your Arabian fairytale.

The Guy who spent 1 month in my country and (was out of money,) well he was out of money becouse of his efforts/meetings/presentations to various business entities here in various sectors of business

At this day and age UAE is not some backwater, they have modern banking institutions in place. Are you expecting me to believe that someone whom you think of as an honest businessman did not do his research before taking a trip abroad? That he had no one to fall back on and no way to arrange for more funds to be transferred over to the nearest bank for his needs but begged for the kindness of a complete stranger without even offering him to pay back every single złoty? Would such a kind and generous stranger believe in any of his tall tales? Would he seriously contemplate a business partnership and entertain a notion of going with him to some faraway place he never been to? I met plenty of Arabs and in my experience I can honestly say they are very business savvy, even the street vendor you happen to bargain with over the price of some trinket. While on the surface it may seem like it’s very kind and Christian of you, I just don’t buy it.

i am from a middle class back ground, not a rich guy, just medium or average business person,

Good for you, I just hate snobby rich bastards. This would explain your generosity very well as the rich bastard would simply not be capable of such generosity. Finally something I can truly believe in.

I am not from any african country, nor from india, i am from famous arab country United Arab Emirates.

Never said you were; but you’re no Arab either, just some troll.

as far as offer of sex from his niece is concerned.. i have no idea he was joking or he was serious

That’s just it, even the most hardened of criminals in Poland don’t joke like that, did not happened. Allah Yusa amah.

because
I agree with him doesnt mean this happened to me.

I never said it did, all I’ve ever said is that I can’t believe someone would fall for a story like that to be true. Take a trip to Egypt or any other Arabic country sometime, you’ll see for yourself that even the street vendor there is not as stupid as this troll paints himself to be, you wouldn’t be able to take advantage of him, if anything you’ll be taken for a ride.

fek off penis breath

That’s not very Ladylike of you but I like your spunk.

how can he expect people to believe
him when he picks a name like thug??

I don’t, nonetheless the name suits me just fine.
polmed 1 | 216
14 Jan 2012 #56
Yes I am so prejudiced against Poles...

Open your eyes Polmed.

Open your eyes yourself . Corruption happens everywhere , look at the statistics . This thread is about a scam artist , alleged to of be Polish descent not about corruption . But the biggest scammers are not Polish as you may know .

Wake up Wedle , we are the nation of honest people .
Read the stories about Madoff , please, about the greatest scammer of all. Surprisingly he is the son of Jewish parents , Lehman Brothers ( scammers who cheated on honest , hard working Americans due to their creative bookkeeping activities ) . They are the real big time scammers .And at last one would ask if speculating with money is honest ? Is this investment bank sought to ruin our country???? Yesterday Goldman Sachs announced that it no longer wishes to participate in the speculative game on the weakening of Polish zloty . Maybe it was said after the announcement made by the European Council and The World Bank that these institutions will no longer remain passive in tolerating speculation by such financial institutions in Poland and other countries in our region.

Yesterday Goldman Sachs`s spokesman said about changing their attitudes to the Polish currency. Maybe it is just a new game to be started ?

If sometimes few Polish try to get bribes it does not prove that we are dishonest as a whole nation . Other claims are only a proof you are just prejudiced against Poles . Stop doing that , please .

This story is not true and moreover Arab people in general opinion ( at least in Poland ) are considered to be the least honest people . There are only few Arabs who have businesses in Poland , this shows that we don`t like doing business with them .
southern 73 | 7071
14 Jan 2012 #57
Poles are way less dishonest than their neighbour nations(except Czechs) and this shows in the magnitude of investment multinational companies undertake in Poland which would be impossible if extravagant corruption were the case.
abuhamdan - | 3
14 Jan 2012 #58
Ansawers of few questions asked by fellows.

ShortHairThug.... you are right, when he was out of money he told me that one of his friend sending him big amount of money to open some Gold display at one of the famous place in dubai, (as he was useto tell new things everyday).

and also several time he called me to ask the location of Western Union Money transfer so that he could receive money from his freind (friend was doing business in New Zealand). but in his money never arrived.....by theway when he was useto spend time with me and people around my circle also knew him, and he was useto sit with them too in my absense, one day my fellow counterpart (a firm owner lady) came to me and asked who is this polish guy (menas she asked the depth of my relations with him), i simply answered he is just friend and here he is trying to find some business opportunities...................welll sad to say she told me that since 1 week this your friend coming to me and asking for money to promote her business in europe(technical details i dont know). she did not given money to him, and i knew those days this guy was useto say bad things about her,, (like she is *****)

Why i trusted him so much,,,, well,....its not like that,,, initially i was having normal relations with him,, but i saw him putting alot of efforts to get some business in vain (no success), i have a heart too, so gradually i felt soft corner for him in my heart, i was useto offer him lunch/dinner in order to make him happy (as he was so depressed for unsuccesfull efforts), one day he told me the last $ of him is left in pocket, i ignored, next day again he mentioned, i ignored,and than same day at night time he came and was so upset, he asked to go with him to his hotel, when i reached his hotel. a guy from reception told me that his one week rent is pending and today was the last day of payment,, anyways,,,i paid for past one week and i tought may be his money will transfer and he will pay me too, so again one more week passed no money came, and i paid for another week, well after paying weeks for him i decided to take him at my house, ( i asked my family to stay at another house (as i dont feel comfortable to stay togerther men and women together)

anyways, i am not a child, i did with positive approach and with good intention, and here i am NOT begging for money or something else. just wanted to share my story, it was just a small amount, and i dont feel myself in trouple after lossing it,, its a just matter of justice and honesty, nothing else,
Ironside 50 | 12547
14 Jan 2012 #59
i felt soft corner for him in my heart

You fancied him and he didn't deliver ?
abuhamdan - | 3
14 Jan 2012 #60
i was not expecting any sort of advantge from in return of my behaviour/help.

Well Let me tell you the most interesting part of this story, i have recieved email from this guy in which he says my story is full of lying and shitsssssssssssss,,,he claimed that he did so many things for me while i was in poland, he said he spent so many days and for my work and my each day cost money (fee per day) so he sent me some details, like per day aprox

1, per day 1000 zloty including taxi fare, and food, (7000 Zloty for 7 days)
2, 15000. Zloty in the name of fee (nothing done)
3, one small shopping bill which i did (i bought somehting 1pcs and he mentioned couple of thousand for that)
anyways all these details he sent me,so as per his claim i have to pay him more becaouse he spent his time(he was even not able to take me to the hotel upon arrival at warsaw airport, (he had no credit in his cell phone to make call and no money too) i rescued him even at warsaw airport to reache my hotel and to drop him to his house,,wowww,,, i bought his ticket too from here to poland, well anyways, i was surprised by him when he said he spent very expensive days on my project from his very busy time.......(there he was useto sit all day at coffee shop by chating with people on skype) so he was so busy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

he was here and never touched wine, as he said its forbidden and he dont like it,,,,but when we were in aeroplan to warsaw after take off he requested for wine and started drinking, i was imazed to see him,,,,his voice also changed and he said to me that you dont know how to talk with people and that i am not well mannerd guy etccc,,i ignored thisss,,,coz i tought he is drank,,,,,,,,,

well guys,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I am expecting to start thinking that this type of people exists in every society even in Poland too..


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