Polish schools and Polish educational system level in your eyes

Er no, it's not bollocks Olaf.

Best uni in poland is generally to be the Jagellonian - no?

It's ranked 300 odd in European rankings.

Doesn't matter how good you might think they are, Polish universities are simply not highly regarded in Europe.

No:D It is the oldest not the best. Anyway it depends which department sometimes.


- what ranking? Who made it? What's the methodology of the survey?


- quality and opinion - totally different things.

As Jagieloński is one of the top universities in Poland, would an english A-Level certificat be enough for them to acccept me? Im sure there is some kind of precedure to follow?

This has all come up before anyway Olaf. I've no interest in debating it as there is no debate to be had.

Do a search if you are interested: "European university rankings". The Times do one among others. Check them all. Methodology is explained. Poland doesn't rank highly in any.

Check the wiki entries for individual unis.

So what is the best polish uni then if not the Jagellonian?

edit: The OP seems to disagree with you BTW Olaf ; )

matura.onet.pl/1335326,poradnik.html

Seems like Warszawski University ..

EDIT: Ah sorry! Old source, the data comes from 2006 !
My apologies

Shouldn't be a problem - from what I know, they have some sort of system to convert your A level results into points - though it seems Polish universities will take *anyone* with A levels irrespective of results.

Having said that, it's a pretty simple decision -

Quality of studies? The UK, hands down.
Price of studies? Poland, hands down.

When it comes to certain subjects, perhaps. But when it comes to languages, no way. A graduate with a foreign language BA from a halfway decent English uni (i.e. not even a redbrick uni) will more than be able to hold their own in comparison to the holder of a foreign language Magister from a top Polish uni, even if that Magister is day studies. Apart from anything else, despite a Magister taking just four years of post-school education and a BA taking six years (including the pre-uni and sandwich years), Polish unis still try to claim that their Magister is a second-cycle qualification while the English version is a first-cycle! This tells you almost all you need to know about their views.

From what I have read on their web site, some kind of entry examinations would have to take place as well.

Anyway, the best way of finding it all out is to contact the institution. I shall phone them up tomorow then!

Maybe - depends very much on the department, I think.

My aim is to do study german, but I reckon they would want to test my polish and other subjects perhaps, such as history or maths?

If I had an opportunity to study in Great Britain, I wouldn't even think twice about possibilities of studying in Poland.
But, in my case it would mean studying abroad. I'd like to study in Great Britain very much.
I loved atmosphere of university cities like Cambridge...oh, gosh... I still remember those amazing buildings there.
Why do you think about Poland?
Well, on the other hand, Wrocław, Gdańsk or Poznań, and well, Kraków (of course) are not bad places to study...

Cambridge and Oxbridge are both very prestigous and nice places to study in. I did want to go there, but that kind of places are not for me. I am not the kind of therson who'd like to read a certain amount of books and write a whole lot of essays on them. I rather explore the language from the other angle. Talking about studying abroad- I'd love to study in Germany, but that would be a challenge I suppose! Aha.


I got tired of the place and people. I do realise that Universities here, in UK are 'better', but from what angle? I got really confused on that!


I suppose they are not...

Are you a student yourself?

have u looked into the possibilities

No, I finished studies some years ago. Why do you think that so wonderful places aren't good places to stay? If not Kraków, Wroclaw or Gdańsk, then what city is in your mind? I suppose not Warsaw?

Gees, if I had money opportunity to study in Gdańsk or Wroclaw (these two would be my favourite (I like Wroclaw especially), how wonderful life would look like...

So where in Poland would you like to study?

I did not. Although I know the language I would be too affraid to stay there all by myself!


Oi! I meant that these cities are GOOD places to study in! Well, good places to live in for sure!

I have to admit, that Uniwersytet Warszawski is one of my 'choices', I will phone the Uni tomorow, I will also get in touch with Jagieloński and Wrocławski Uni. Any others that offer German courses?

What about job prospects in Poland?

this what you cal a "uni" is not considered a university in Poland at all! A 'higher school of nail polishing


" is nothing I meant.


Definitely.


I know! And I am surprised you argue that still. Polish universities can be a very competetive education choice as well - but there is diferent ed. system and the courses for foreigners are just for loughs sometimes... If you argue that then you don't know te subject I think.


That is what they teach you outside Poland: chech wiki if you dont know. Congrats pal.


what does it prove? That the OP doesn't know some fact or has just in fact asked tabout it? Hah, you're funny. But far from logics in your words.

Most Polish universities are redbrick. A redbrick university (like Leeds or Manchester or Bristol) is one founded between about 1850 and 1939. A white tile university is from the 50s and 60s (like Lancaster or Hull or Sussex). All of those would very much be considered universities in Poland, as would the new universities which are former polytechnics and teacher training colleges. There isn't any clear equivalent in the UK to the wysza szkola.

That's right, it is a different educational system with all its advantages and disadvantages. But my point was I have seen to many too smart people after Polish white/red/yellow/gree/blueand whatever you call it - it's not Polishor European terminology - universities to say that it is any worse.

There are a few examples - for instance, writtle.ac.uk

Not many though. The UHI Millennium Institute is probably another example.

In that case, choosing to study in Poland would not be a wrong or bad choice, would it?

Depends what you want to do afterwards. A degree from a Polish university isn't going to do much for you in terms of Western Europe - but at the same time, why pay expensive fees if you only want to work in Poland anyway?

But why not give Germany a bash? It's free to study there.

I had a look at that ranking, and it is worth fukck all, totally unreliable and very subjective. Have a look at the criteria.

Teaching — the learning environment (worth 30 per cent of the overall ranking score)
Research — volume, income and reputation (worth 30 per cent)
Citations — research influence (worth 32.5 per cent)
Industry income — innovation (worth 2.5 per cent)
International mix — staff and students (worth 5 per cent).

putting it into layman's terms: teaching-How does one asses a learning environment? As far as a place of study is concerned then I sure as hell would pick Krakow over Sheffield or Leeds any day.

Reasearch: Let me guess it has to be conducted and published in English, otherwise nobody takes any notice

Citations: I guess this is the only really objective measure in this ranking.

Industry income: A rich university doesn't always equal a good university, they should know this by know-the Poles spend a lot less on their education system and yet get better results than the Brits, according to the very objective PISA study.

International mix: so if you do not have a whole bunch of foreigners studying in your uni you miss out, this is a biased measure because it naturally favors English universities.

So for what's it worth, I would wipe my rear end with this ranking, it is completely biased and unreliable.

no need to argue guys

usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-universities/2010/09/21/worlds-best-universities-top-400-.html

Depends on the sources for comparison.

Until rank 22 just anglo universities.:-)

What kind of list is that? Do you really believe in that?
Try to be objective. Oh, sorry. Problem occurs.

4icu.org

Then go to Top 200 in the world.

too bad there's no Russian, lol


So where's the big difference?

What did the author wanted to say?
Any smarter comment to my link besides brainless insult?

After all the some of anglo universities are good, very good. I had a couple of semesters in US on a scholarship. Did help a lot though when finishing in Germany.

Like earlier mentioned it's a question what subject you want to study, private or state university and of course how is your financial status. ;-)

What are you talking about? Wiki is not an end or source as of itself ?!

Do you not understand how it works? You check the entry as a source for referring to the links contained therein.

Wait.

No.

Don't tell me you thought I was suggesting that whatever is written in Wiki is the gospel ??

So "congrats" to you pal if you are that narrow minded and blinkered about it all.


I mentioned one ranking, The Times, there are many others.

Broadly speaking the results are all fairly similar and share an obvious common denominator: UK universities are generally held in much higher regard than Polish ones.

I would agree with you generally they are, however if the criteria are as stacked for the other studies as they are for the one you used as an example, they are seriously flawed, incorrect and purely biased. In other words they are designed to serve a purpose, and objectivity is not it.

With a truly objective study along the lines of PISA, I am sure that the end result would be a lot of dumbstruck individuals ( previously thinking themselves better than hey truly are) scratching their heads.

By saying 'studyingin Englad' I obvs,did not mean Oxford or Cambridge, wchih are at the top of the ranklings. I was rather talking about a 'normal' uni,such as Aston University or Sheffield.

What about the 'worse' ones',like Chester or Nottingham Trent Uni, them not brill at all!

Whatever you go with, let me reiterate Harry's point from earlier in the thread: be most mindful of all about the collective Polish failure of understanding when it comes to UK Bachelor degrees (especially if you plan to work here in PL). Irrespective of the quality of the UK school you went to, the Polish job market is clueless and continues to maintain that if it ain't a Masters it ain't worth ****.