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Is it really worth moving back to Poland to study in a pharmacy school?


ania92 3 | 2
10 May 2012 #1
Wytam!

I was wondering if someone could help make up my mind about moving. I plan to pursue my studies well into pharmacy school. Should I wait till Im done school or go for pharmacy school? I am a citizen of poland.
catsoldier 62 | 596
10 May 2012 #2
Do you want to know the best place to study pharmacy or the best place to live?

If it is the best place to live I would say that it depends on the person, if you have a lot of close family in Poland or Canada then I suggest that you stay where your family are if you are very close with them.

Only a small thing, shouldn't it be witam? It may only be a typing error or else your spelling isn't the best because you don't write in Polish but I am 100% sure that you would be able to improve your spelling quickly if you were living in Poland.
OP ania92 3 | 2
11 May 2012 #3
Sorry that was a typing error. I am fluent in polish, attended polish school etc. But it has been a while since I've had the practice.

Mam rodzine we wroclawiu ale nie mam zamiaru z nimi mieskac...

I'm not a family person. I know wroclaw best though so I'm thinking of just getting a place there. I haven't been in some 8 years (hence, out of practice). I keep hearing hell about poland.. Ze mlodzi uciekaja. Is it financially wise to move there?

Again, my apologies for the mistakes I make
Hipis - | 227
11 May 2012 #4
It might be cheaper to study there, depending on where you live now. If you live in the UK then once the new course fees start for the uni courses in the UK universities you could easily be £30k in debt by the time you finish uni.
catsoldier 62 | 596
11 May 2012 #5
Is it financially wise to move there? Again, my apologies for the mistakes I make

I don't know much about Poland but I have heard that if you have a good education and get a good job that you will earn enough to live comfortably.

You would earn more in some other countries though.

Don't worry about the mistakes.

Best of luck, it is a hard decision.
pip 10 | 1,661
11 May 2012 #6
I dunno but I think aptekas are a saturated market- having said that--they all seem to be busy. I think you should wait til you are done your studies abroad first and then go for the pharm school.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
11 May 2012 #7
If your goal is to get through pharmacy school and land a job in a chemist's/drug store/pharmacy then you really have to ask yourself if the qualifications you obtained in Poland would be valued outside of Poland and where.

I don't think you'd make a good living in Poland compared to the same jobs in the UK or North America.
rybnik 18 | 1,462
11 May 2012 #8
I dunno but I think aptekas are a saturated market- having said that--they all seem to be busy. I think you should wait til you are done your studies abroad first and then go for the pharm school.

Pharmacists are not restricted to working in aptekas. There's always Big Pharma :)
peterweg 36 | 2,316
11 May 2012 #9
Thing you must remember is that Poland is a growing economy. This doesn't mean wages are high, they are not, but they will grow to the level of other First World countries over the next 7-10 years. So if you want to come here and live and work it will be a long term investment to grow with the country.

Coming to study here if you speak Polish is a very good idea, though.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
11 May 2012 #10
but they will grow to the level of other First World countries over the next 7-10 years.

You think that in 7-10 years, Polish people will be earning salaries comparable to Germany, USA, Japan, France?

Salaries would have to triple or quadruple to even come close to that.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
11 May 2012 #11
Does he mean the salaries here will rise to what salaries are in those countries right now or does he mean there will be parity within 7-10 years (not including a global disaster that would reduce everyone to the lowest of the low)?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
11 May 2012 #12
does it matter? even today's "first world" salaries in mind.....do you think the avg Pole is going to be taking in say $3,500 a month net or 2500 euro month net in 7-10 years? salaries literally tripling?

no way.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
12 May 2012 #13
^ I see things differently than you I guess.
7-10 years is a very long time and I am not convinced it's outside the realm of possibilities.
I wouldn't advise making predictions based solely on what has happened to argue my perspective on this one.
That probably seems counter-intuitive...
...oh well.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
12 May 2012 #14
salaries literally tripling?

no way.

The exchange rate can double it and 5% per year wage growth is 70%. 1.7x2= 3.4 x current wages.

No only possible, virtually certain.

Its capitalism, capital flows where there is an imbalance and having hugh wages difference's across a 'border' when that border is now gone is an unstoppable imbalance.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
12 May 2012 #15
No only possible, virtually certain.

Isn't it something like 7% increase in anything over a 9.5 year period basically doubles whatever number you're working with at the outset?
If that's true then what you've written is most likely true.
People don't really grasp numbers half as well as we think because we don't use our imagination and sense of reason to project possibilities and ask questions with them.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
12 May 2012 #16
No only possible, virtually certain.

I lived in Poland from 2007-2011. Since I moved there in 2007, the average salary has gone up how much? 5%? 7%? at all? To be honest, people never seem to be able to agree on exactly what that average actually is, but the range is generally from 2000-3500zl per month net. not 3000-5000. not 3000-8000, and this has remained true since 2007, as long as I've been talking to countless poles and reading countless articles/forum posts. I also know that my in-laws, one is a career cop, the other a career nurse, have been earning the same salary since 2007 and they, combined, barely clear 3,000zl/month.

What makes you think that the next 5 years are going to be so drastically different where receptionists are all of a sudden going to be earning 10,000 zlotych in 7-10 years......or let's say, in 5 years, around 7,000 zlotych?

Can you honestly say that my in-laws can expect to earn at least 10,000zl/month net combined.....in 7-10 years? Do you know how hard they'd laugh if I called them up and told them that today?

This is fairy tale stuff, weg.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
12 May 2012 #17
What makes you think that the next 5 years are going to be so drastically different where receptionists are all of a sudden going to be earning 10,000 zlotych in 7-10 years......or let's say, in 5 years, around 7,000 zlotych?

Why is this your gold standard comparison?
2nd question if the average E.U. receptionist make over 2K Euro/month? Serious question cause I have no idea what the answer is.
El Gordo
12 May 2012 #18
You think that in 7-10 years, Polish people will be earning salaries comparable to Germany, USA, Japan, France?

Don't know about Germany,France and Japan but in case of USA the answer is "Yes".

I also know that my in-laws, one is a career cop, the other a career nurse, have been earning the same salary since 2007 and they, combined, barely clear 3,000zl/month.

I short soldier's words Pierdolisz.

What makes you think that the next 5 years are going to be so drastically different where receptionists are all of a sudden going to be earning 10,000 zlotych

Get of your high horse dude.A receptionist/front desk in the US makes $8-9/h and he/she wouldn't make 10k PLN even when working 2 receptionist/front desk jobs.40x9=360x4=1440x3.3=4752.And this is with USD high,now do the count with USD at 2008 level of 2.1 (which is coming soon).Who are you trying fool?
TheOther 5 | 3,873
12 May 2012 #19
The exchange rate can double it and 5% per year wage growth is 70%. 1.7x2= 3.4 x current wages. Not only possible, virtually certain.

Ain't going to happen in my opinion. Poland is too heavy on the service sector side (est. 63% of GDP in 2011) - relying on low paying jobs created by foreign investors who just exploit the current situation in Poland. If those investors are forced to increase wages by as much as 70% as you say, they'll be gone before you know it. Besides, you haven't taken the inflation rate into account (4.3% in 2011 alone).
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
12 May 2012 #20
Last 2 posts have been really good. I think I'm back on the fence on this one. Really good info though.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
13 May 2012 #21
I lived in Poland from 2007-2011. Since I moved there in 2007, the average salary has gone up how much? 5%? 7%? at all?

It increase something over 5% last year

President of Central Statistical Office of Poland has announced that average gross wage in Poland in the first quarter 2012 was PLN 3646,09

stat.gov.pl/gus/5840_12913_ENG_HTML.htm
averagesalarysurvey.com/article/average-salary-in-poland/06134802.aspx
bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17543356

Its increased around 4% to 5% per year

wbj.pl/article-44818-average-wage-in-february-stood-at-zl3195.html
wbj.pl/article-48425-salaries-in-poland-grew-by-47-yy.html

People don't really grasp numbers half as well as we think because we don't use our imagination and sense of reason to project possibilities and ask questions with them.

True, basic compound growth is beyond the vast majority of people.

And this is with USD high,now do the count with USD at 2008 level of 2.1 (which is coming soon).

Exchage rate fell from 4.5 to 2 within a decade. Not theory, it happened. Only world economic disaster stopped the trend.

Can you honestly say that my in-laws can expect to earn at least 10,000zl/month net combined.....in 7-10 years? Do you know how hard they'd laugh if I called them up and told them that today?

This is fairy tale stuff, weg.

Basic maths, economic reality and a quick look at history makes it certain.

You are the one living in a fantasy land.

BTW, average monthly wage in 1990 was what, $20? Which is about 70pln. So its risen 50 times in less than 25 years

Wage Growth 1996-2008

Wage growth from 1996-2008 from 300% to 467%.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
13 May 2012 #22
A receptionist/front desk in the US makes $8-9/h

Minimum wage in the USA is $7.25/hr, that being the fry cooker at KFC. You think an administrative assistant working for an average size company in the USA is making just barely over what a 16 year old fast food worker is earning?

Using a receptionist was probably a bad example because they generally earn less than the national avg.....but $8-$9/hr is just silly.

I short soldier's words Pierdolisz.

It's Polish reality, pal.

Don't know about Germany,France and Japan but in case of USA the answer is "Yes".

Please explain.

super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/01/dynamic-america-poor-europe.html

Exchage rate fell from 4.5 to 2 within a decade.

oh for crying out loud. i was there when it happened and it was at 2 for about 20 seconds. aside from that, it's been at around 3 for 5 years now.

BTW, average monthly wage in 1990 was what, $20? Which is about 70pln. So its risen 50 times in less than 25 years

hey, didn't like.....something really significant happen in 1989? give me a friggin' break with that, man.

salary.com/Administrative-Assistant-I-Salary.html

The average salary in the USA for an Admin. Assistant (secretary) is:

$36,282

$3023/month

9,945zl/month

between 7,000-10,000zl/month? indeed.

The average salary in the USA is currently $47,000. That's 12,885zl/month.
Alligator - | 261
13 May 2012 #23
It's Polish reality, pal.

In short soldier's words Pierdolisz.

info.policja.pl/portal/inf/859/47709/Zarobki_policjantow.html

Site of Polish police, where you can find info about earnings.
"Najliczniejszą grupę stanowią osoby zatrudnione na etatach detektywa i asystenta (5. grupa) - pracuje w niej prawie 21 tys. policjantów. Zarabiają oni średnio 3144 zł miesięcznie".

Career cop and nurse have 3 000 combined salaries, yeah right...
peterweg 36 | 2,316
13 May 2012 #24
oh for crying out loud. i was there when it happened and it was at 2 for about 20 seconds. aside from that, it's been at around 3 for 5 years now.
peterweg:
BTW, average monthly wage in 1990 was what, $20? Which is about 70pln. So its risen 50 times in less than 25 years

hey, didn't like.....something really significant happen in 1989? give me a friggin' break with that, man.

So the fact the exchange rate was increasing over a five year period is unimportant and that wages have rocketed 400% over a 12 years is ....irrelevant.

Everything will stay the same.. for ever... right.
Alligator - | 261
13 May 2012 #25
that wages have rocketed 400% over a 12 years is ....irrelevant.

You don't take into account that prices also rocketed. Real wages went up only about few %.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
13 May 2012 #26
GDP has grown from $156billion to $550billion. So in REAL dollars GDP gas risen 256% over that period. Where do you think that money is going? wages.

US inflation from 1996-2008 is 37.2%

So you believe that the average wage in Poland in 1996 was (3646pln/$3.3=$13250) - inflation = $9663 in 1996 dollars

Polish people have been earning between $10K-13K over the past decade. Only a few percent real increase above inflation?

Problem is, $156billion divided between 25million working people is $6250, so apparently it possible to earn more money than exists in the entire economy. Only its not possible.
irishguy11 6 | 157
13 May 2012 #27
IT is a question that you should ask yourself. If you are dependent on other peoples answers, you are not ready to move. You need to ask yourself these questions.
Alligator - | 261
13 May 2012 #28
GDP has grown from $156billion to $550billion.

I think we already talked about GDP and I clearly stated that it means nothing.
However since you brought that subject...

GDP has grown from $156billion to $550billion. So in REAL dollars GDP gas risen 256% over that period. Where do you think that money is going? wages.

The problem with your numbers is that you think that GDP authomatically means wages. Thats why your numbers don't add up.
Wages are only a part of GDP. Here you have some educating table.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
13 May 2012 #29
I think we already talked about GDP and I clearly stated that it means nothing.

Well, thats a worthless comment, you think GDP means nothing. What matters, fairies?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
13 May 2012 #30
pracuje w niej prawie 21 tys. policjantów. Zarabiają oni średnio 3144 zł miesięcznie".

gross dude. gross.

take away taxes and ZUS, what are you left with? his salary as a cop is a little more than hers as a nurse, she pulls as a nurse I think 1300-1400 net/month......so there's your 3,000 net/month, as I said.

wages have rocketed 400% over a 12 years is ....irrelevant.

GDP has grown from $156billion to $550billion. So in REAL dollars GDP gas risen 256% over that period. Where do you think that money is going? wages. US inflation from 1996-2008 is 37.2%

all these numbers are great. just great. how about this:

walk up to a teacher who's been working for a school for 10+ years and ask her, "how much were you earning 8 years ago? 5 years ago? 2 years ago?"

do the same for a cop, a nurse, someone at the corner Biedronka, etc.

I can promise you that the difference in salary will surely confirm that people are not making much more now than they were 5-6 years ago.

then go ahead and say to them, "oh ok, well you earned 1200/month net 5 years ago....now you earn 1300/month net. that's OK, because in the NEXT 5-6 years, you can expect your salary to at least double, maybe even triple."

when they get finished laughing in your face, take a deep breath and rethink what you're writing on here, weg.


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