yea sure,what else you can say beside cliches .
This "cliché" happens to be true :)
lets say there were alot of good and honorable ppl among nazis,and most Nazis never kill anyone.how bout that?
Well, then there would probably be no World War II, no concentration camps etc. and we would have a completely different reality, so I don't get your comparison.
Btw, as for "good Nazis" - if it wasn't for one good Nazi, my mum, me and my brother most probably wouldn't be even born.
would you agree?
NO, I am a REALIST so if you want to label me with one of your guilt names go ahead.
is that there are over 1 billion
of Muslims in the world and anyone who thinks that all of these people have one goal in life (convert or kill all unbelievers) is an idiot
. That's my personal, honest opinion.
Most people's goals in life is to have a job that will earn them a decent living, getting married, having a family, being happy. No matter whether they're Muslims, Catholics, Hindus or atheists. No matter whether they're Poles, Turks, Americans, Jews, etc. We're not talking here about fanatics but about normal, ordinary people.
Those are the facts of life.
People in given countries are born into their religions, culture, traditions just like I was born into Catholicism. Some people choose to turn away from their religion (just like I did at some point), some choose to stick with it (like I did eventually), some just go with the flow, some don't have much choice in their home country, some believe in God but don't agree with everything that their religion has to offer (like I do).
People are different, they are individuals and tarring them with the same brush is, according to me, a sign of stupidity/prejudice/ignorance. I can understand where this prejudice is coming from but an intelligent person is aware of his/her own prejudice/bias and at least is trying to think in a logical and objective way.
Now, I'm not blind or stupid - I know what's going on in the world and that Islam is in our times number 1 provider of terrorists on this planet and religious regimes.
But there was time when Christians were killing "heathens" too, persecuting people of different religions for centuries (Jews), treating women as second-category people, persecuting people who thought differently, scientists, etc.
Christians were wiping out whole continents, killing, raping and pillaging often with the name of God on their lips. Those Nazi soldiers who destroyed my country and killed 6 million of my compatriots were wearing the slogan "Gott mit uns" ("God with us") on their belt buckles and they were Christians.
So if you'd ask me whether someone's religion matters to me (or whether he or she is religious or not) I would answer - no. I don't care. Because it doesn't matter. What matters is whether he or she is a good person. This may sound like another cliché :) but this is the truth.
There are, of course, things that I don't like about Islam (there are also things that I don't like, although to a lesser degree, about Catholicism, Judaism and other religions). But I wouldn't treat someone badly, ban someone from coming to my country or make someone feel unwelcome based only on their religion without knowing their exact views, attitudes, character, personality, etc.
Btw, as for comparing Islam with Nazism, gregy741 - funnily, not long ago I had a discussion with a Polish agnostic about a Roman Emperor, Julian the Apostate (who was anti-Christian and wanted Rome to come back to its pagan beliefs), about Christianity and monotheistic religions. He claimed that if it wasn't for monotheistic religions the world would probably be a better place and he compared Christianity to Nazism, just like you did it with Islam (and, according to him, if it wasn't for Christianity, then there would be no Islam, so there you go - it's "our" fault anyway :)). And for some Jews, for example, the Christian cross induces similar feelings as the Nazi swastika does, apparently (centuries of persecution, remember). Poles had some clashes with "the peace-loving crusaders" too - the Teutonic Order who were simply called by Poles "Krzyżacy" (could be roughly translated as "the Cross people").
So are you sure you want to go down the road of such comparisons? Because it's a double-edged sword...
The Polish people do not want to bastardize their Catholic culture to Islam just like the rest of the world.
You know, I'm reading two blogs of Polish women married to Muslims - both are Egyptian men. One couple lives in Egypt, the husband is a religious Muslim just like the rest of his fairly traditional family. The "bastardization" of this Polish woman's Catholic faith to Islam looks as follows: they own a dog, they have a Christmas tree on every Christmas and she prepares Polish food on Christmas Eve, they will also have a baby when they have a bigger flat with more space, because that's what she decided and he drinks alcohol.
Another couple lives in Poland. What the Polish woman heard from her Egyptian man at the beginning was: "It's your country, you decide, baby". The "bastardization" of this Polish woman's culture (it doesn't seem to me that she's particularly religious) to Islam looks as follows: the Egyptian guy wants a dog, he started drinking alcohol - not vodka though, he apparently likes those flavoured beers with low % that in Poland usually women drink :) - he would buy such a beer for every match of the Polish team in Euro (right in the middle of Ramadan), he doesn't eat pork but he isn't fasting during Ramadan when he's in Poland.
Additionally, I'm not sure if you are aware of this, Johnny, but Muslims have been living in Poland for centuries.
Also, according to a report from 2009 there were 456,000 Muslims in Ukraine and somehow I've never heard of any "bastardization" or any other problems with the Muslim community over there.
Poland isn't any magnet for large "hordes" of migrants of any faith or no faith (well, maybe except for Ukrainians) and when you come here you usually have to adapt to some degree (a grater degree than in the West) in order to survive in this country. So I don't understand your histeria. Poland "somehow" survived with 3 millions of Jews many of whom didn't assimilate at all, Poles and their "Polishness" survived some rougher sh!t than most of the West will probably ever experience so I don't think you have to worry about us that much and tell other people on our behalf whether they're welcome in our country (not yours).
Firstly, as a Turkish guy.. I see the lixt1 is a really troll
Yeah, either that or he's totally crazy lol
I really really thank @paulina and @rozumiemnic for their understanding.
You're welcome :) I don't like when people generalise about and are prejudiced towards Poles, Catholics and Catholicism so I can relate and empathise pretty easily. Besides, I'm a Christian and empathy is an important part of my religion and I wish more people who are calling themsleves Christians on this forum would remember about this important fact...
The world seems to be a darker and more scary place with every year and that's why I think it's important for people like us to build bridges or at least try to think objectively and apply common sense and some empathy...
I've been in Poland, I've come across many racists people saying "kurwa spierdala"
Sorry to hear that, DuRnaa...
I've also met many nice people like Paulina and rozuemnic..
I'm glad to hear that :)
If you ever come to Turkey, please just let me know and I try to do anything I can do for you. You're always more than welcome.
Teşekkürler, that's very kind of you :)
But honestly what do you think about that?
Well, to be honest, I think that right now it's probably not the best time to be from a Muslim country or looking "Arab" in Poland. Although it would also probably depend what city you would choose to study in. If you're going to just study here then you're probably going to study in English so you'll be around other foreigners anyway. As for Poles, I guess it's like DuRnaa and istannbullu34 write - there are good and bad people here - if you're lucky you'll meet more good people than bad, if you're unlucky you may get verbal abuse or even end up being punched or beaten up.
So if you like an adventure and some adrenaline rush then come - if you don't - maybe choose a more predictable place.
I don't really know, there are Muslims visiting and living and working in Poland and they're still alive lol but I myself don't like the direction where my country is going so I don't know what to advise you...
It is so because to some people who are born and grown up in sick society shouldn`t be allowed to walk freely in normal countries.
I hope that your society has become more healthy and your country more normal since the times when Serbs were performing ethnic cleansing and raping women and girls during the Balkan wars. Otherwise, maybe we shouldn't be letting Serbian students into Poland, hmm?