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Secondary education in Poland


Barney 15 | 1,472
15 Feb 2012 #1
Education compulsory to 18.

After primary school everyone goes to gymnasium for 3 years tested then divided into lyceum and technical school?
Do Private schools also have to follow this pattern, do they kick people out at 15/16 to state schools.

How much is social selection determined by schooling?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,386
15 Feb 2012 #2
do they kick people out at 15/16 to state schools.

no. one can sit the matura in a private school.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
15 Feb 2012 #3
After primary school everyone goes to gymnasium for 3 years tested then divided into lyceum and technical school?

Liceum is usually the route nowadays - technical schools are dying, for reasons that are too complicated to go into here.
OP Barney 15 | 1,472
15 Feb 2012 #4
no. one can sit the matura in a private school.

Didn't know that, where do those at private school take the matura?

technical schools are dying, for reasons that are too complicated to go into here.

That would be sad....I think, Are there apprenticeships available?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
16 Feb 2012 #5
Didn't know that, where do those at private school take the matura?

In school ;) Private schools that are accredited by the MEN (ie, pretty much all of them except the ones going towards foreign qualifications) are allowed to act as matura centres.

That would be sad....I think, Are there apprenticeships available?

Apprenticeships seem to be unheard of in Poland - the usual pattern now is that people get forced into high schools, they fail their Matura, then they go to some post-school place where they have to "study' for 2-3-4 years to get a paper of "something" which qualifies them to work as "something.

Insane system - and the employers are to blame for demanding papers for everything. There is a scary attitude in Poland that you can't do something unless you have papers for it, despite apprenticeships being far more sensible.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
16 Feb 2012 #6
It used to be that private schools could set a lower school-leaving age. Is that still true?
Harry
16 Feb 2012 #7
One can indeed sit the matura at a private school. I led the Matura committee at one. The standards, however, do vary, in my experience, on who your daddy is.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
16 Feb 2012 #8
The standards, however, do vary, in my experience, on who your daddy is.

I wonder - I need to check if the absurdity of not having to sit a written exam if you get a high grade in the oral exam still exists.
OP Barney 15 | 1,472
16 Feb 2012 #9
One can indeed sit the matura at a private school. I led the Matura committee at one. The standards, however, do vary, in my experience, on who your daddy is.

I really an not being funny here but if you were the lead on the committee how could the standards vary?
Is there no central examining body to ensure uniformity?

There is a scary attitude in Poland that you can't do something unless you have papers for it,

I'm aware of that in my work and it is infuriating.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
16 Feb 2012 #10
I really an not being funny here but if you were the lead on the committee how could the standards vary?

No doubt - it's a reference to how private schools in Poland are notorious for being bought off by parents with cash and loud voices. He wouldn't be able to do a thing about it - interference from "above" is still normal in Polish academia, unfortunately.

Is there no central examining body to ensure uniformity?

It's all handled at a regional level, so while the Ministry dictates standards, there isn't a central examining body as such.

I'm aware of that in my work and it is infuriating.

Isn't it just? I do freelance marketing stuff as a hobby, and while I have "papers" for it - I learnt more in 2 weeks doing it for real than I learnt in the entire time studying it.
Harry
16 Feb 2012 #11
Barney: when the guy doing the inspecting is the business partner of the father of the woman you're examing and she graduated the previous year from the school they jointly owned, try using the same standards to assess her.
OP Barney 15 | 1,472
16 Feb 2012 #12
Would a graduate from a private school have better employment chances in the open market. Would the private schools be seen as better in some way?

I suppose what I'm getting at is, are there good schools and bad schools. Do people move to access better schools? How do employers see the schools or level of academic achievement?
Harry
16 Feb 2012 #13
Barney: graduates of most private schools have a harder time. Which is entirely unfair, as many of them are ad honest as state school students and there is also corruption at state schools.
pawian 173 | 13,718
16 Feb 2012 #14
Apprenticeships seem to be unheard of in Poland - the usual pattern now is that people get forced into high schools, they fail their Matura, then they go to some post-school place where they have to "study' for 2-3-4 years to get a paper of "something" which qualifies them to work as "something.
Insane system - and the employers are to blame for demanding papers for everything.

If you want to finish education at 18 and start working, you should choose vocational school at the age of 16 and undergo two years of such schooling with apprenticeship included.

The system is not insane - people who fail their matura exams and look for post school courses to get their papers, are useless good for nothings and no wonder employers don`t want them.

Would a graduate from a private school have better employment chances in the open market. Would the private schools be seen as better in some way?

If a private school has been high in rankings, then the answer should be yes.

However, graduates of elite high schools, whether private or state, don`t usually look for jobs right after school. They go to university first. And it is uni education that really counts.

But they can exploit their high school`s good opinion later on. In all interviews I have given so far I always mention graduating from one of the best high schools in Krakow. :):):):)
OP Barney 15 | 1,472
16 Feb 2012 #15
no. one can sit the matura in a private school.

Oops I misread that the first time sorry.

The system is not insane - people who fail their matura exams and look for post school courses to get their papers, are useless good for nothings and no wonder employers don`t want them.

Is streaming common in schools, I think this is part of the problem for failing students second only to lack of parental engagement. There are a lot of reasons pupils fail to pass exams ability being the last.
Harry
16 Feb 2012 #16
people who fail their matura exams and look for post school courses to get their papers, are useless good for nothings

Either that, or they might be actors, musicians, models, athletes, single mothers and the like who don’t have time to study in the traditional format. According to my girlfriend, who teaches at one of the schools you refer to, there are very very few useless good for nothings there.
jon357 63 | 15,677
25 Jul 2013 #17
I quite liked this, that someone (a Mrs Bernadone) sent me. I hope it's just a joke. It's in Polish, but maybe someone would like to translate:

Dostałam to w mailu i bardzo mi się spodobało. W latach 60. byłam olimpijką matematyczną na szczeblu województwa (wrocławskiego) :-)
1950 r.Drwal sprzedał drewno za 100 zł. Wycięcie drzewa kosztowało go 4/5 tej kwoty. Ile zarobił drwal?
1980 r.Drwal sprzedał drewno za 100 zł. Wycięcie drzewa kosztowało go 4/5 tej kwoty, czyli 80 zł. Ile zarobił drwal?
2000 r.Drwal sprzedał drewno za 100 zł. Wycięcie drzewa kosztowało go 4/5 tej kwoty, czyli 80 zł. Drwal zarobił 20 zł. Zakreśl liczbę 20.
2010 r. (tylko dla zainteresowanych)Drwal sprzedał drewno za 100 zł. W tym celu musiał wyciąć kilka starych drzew. Podzielcie się na grupy i odegrajcie krótkie przedstawienie, w którym postarajcie się przedstawić, jak w tej sytuacji czuły się biedne zwierzątka leśne i rośliny.

delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
25 Jul 2013 #18
At least from my point of view, kids in the 2nd class in my school are doing the "1950" work already.
Laur3 - | 2
25 Nov 2013 #19
Merged: List of Secondary Education in Poland

Hi all,

I am looking for a list of the all secondary schools in Poland for the children's charity that I work for, I have tried contacted the ministry and other places to no success.

Ideally, I need a list of all:

liceum ogólnokształcące's, technikum and liceum profilowane's.

could anyone point me in the right direction as to where to obtain this info, would be a great help - Thank you!

Lauren
Monitor 14 | 1,820
25 Nov 2013 #20
licea.pl/nl.asp - here they have 1385


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