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Overview of the WSGE university in Poland



shrenik shah 1 | 4    
17 Feb 2017  #1

can anyone tell me about wsge university in Poland ? reputation of university and value of the degree offered by them ?

DominicB - | 2,602    
17 Feb 2017  #2

@shrenik shah

There are other threads on this forum about that school. It is a fake school, and a degree from there is worth nothing.

It is a scam operation that takes advantage of gullible foreigners. The same is true for almost all private schools in Poland, and for programs taught in English at real state-run schools, with few exceptions. Again, with few exceptions, studying in Poland is generally a poor investment for students from non-EU countries who do not speak fluent Polish.

Ignore any hype you may see from university recruiters or on internet sites such as study in poland. They are incredibly dishonest. Either study at a good university in your home country, or at a good university in a rich western European or English-speaking country, if you can afford it. Don't waste your time and money on Poland and the other poorer countries of the EU. While the tuition may be cheaper than in the richer countries, the degree you will earn will be essentially worthless, and will not help you find employment anywhere in the world.

Oh, and no. There are no part-time jobs for foreign students in Poland.
OP shrenik shah 1 | 4    
17 Feb 2017  #3

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but I have paid all my fees . but after going there can I change my university of college or join a new and reputed college in Poland... ????
DominicB - | 2,602    
17 Feb 2017  #4

@shrenik shah

Then you flushed your money down the toilet. You can try and ask for it back, but you may have lost it. It's difficult and near impossible to transfer from a fake school to a real school once you come to Poland. And, like I said, there would be little point in doing that anyway, as degrees from programs taught in English are generally worthless, even from reputable Polish universities.

Best forget about Poland and make realistic plans to study elsewhere, such as at a good university in your home country.
OP shrenik shah 1 | 4    
17 Feb 2017  #5

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ohk I got it . but plz give me some way to get out of it and what options I would have remain in Poland apart from this ?
DominicB - | 2,602    
17 Feb 2017  #6

@shrenik shah

You could request your money back from the school, but that is about it. They might be nice enough to give it back, but, then again, they might not. There's really nothing much you can do about it. Well, at least you learned an important lesson, though it came at a high price.

Realistically, Poland is not a viable option for you, so focus on getting a quality education either in your own country, or, if you can afford it, in a richer country in western Europe or an English-speaking country. And study something that will get you a job, not something like business, economics, finance, law or international relations. Good fields to study are fields with lots and lots of advanced applied mathematics, like petroleum engineering, geological engineering, biomedical engineering, financial mathematics, financial engineering, econometrics and actuarial science.

The best predictor of your future earning potential is the number of advanced mathematics courses you have taken. We live in a technocracy, and math means money. Non-math graduates are in much less demand.
cms 9 | 1,301    
17 Feb 2017  #7

It is incorrect to say that this is a fake school. You can turn up there and take your lessons and get your qualification.

It is right to question the academic reputation of this place - but it has a building, teachers, classrooms etc.
DominicB - | 2,602    
17 Feb 2017  #8

@cms

None of that means that a degree from there is worth anything, though. It's fake in the sense that it does not engage in serious academics and award degrees that mean anything in the real world. You meant to say that it is not a mail-order diploma mill. In any case, it would be a total waste of time and even more money for the OP to study there.
cms 9 | 1,301    
17 Feb 2017  #9

Yes that is what I mean to say - that it is a bona fide organization, accredited by the Polish education authorities.

As for the usefulness then I broadly agree with you - but I could say that the other 2 universities in my home town are worse than my Alma Mater but its still just my subjective opinion. I have had some good employees from WS institutions in Poland.
DominicB - | 2,602    
17 Feb 2017  #10

@cms

WS covers a lot of territory. Some are serious. Most are not. Very few, if any, are viable options for non-EU students who can't speak fluent Polish.

Unfortunately, accreditation doesn't mean much in terms of the value of the degrees offered, as accreditation seems rather easy to get in Poland. Most degrees from English-language programs offered the state-run universities are essentially worthless,as well.
OP shrenik shah 1 | 4    
17 Feb 2017  #11

can you tell me about Riga university of latvia ? reputation and quality ?
DominicB - | 2,602    
17 Feb 2017  #12

@shrenik shah

Same thing. It's a waste of time. The countries in Europe you should be considering are the UK, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Switzerland and Austria. In other words, the richer countries. The rest are pretty much a poor investment, especially the countries in the eastern part of the EU, including Poland and Latvia.
DominicB - | 2,602    
17 Feb 2017  #13

Also, a degree in a field that does not require lots and lots of advanced applied mathematics is a bad investment even in those richer countries, unless you are a top student in a top program at a top university. A degree in finance from London South Bank (the worst university in the UK) would be next to worthless, whereas one from across the river at the London School of Economics (one of the top universities) would be worth a lot more. A degree in financial mathematics, on the other hand, would be worth very much.

Make sure that the field you are studying will actually help you get a high paying job, And don't believe any hype from school recruiters or internet sites. Like I said, the best measure of future earning potential is how much advanced applied mathematics you study. The second best measure is the reputation of the school you attend.
uzma    
22 Aug 2017  #14

Good afternoon dear sir

I have recently got the offer letter from WSGE
WARSAW
but after readings of above messeages
I'am confused about this so please help me to find right way
I pay tution fees or not ??
So. Plz reply. Me for my confusion
Thankx
DominicB - | 2,602    
22 Aug 2017  #15

@syeda

Don't waste your time and money. A "diploma" from this fake school is worth less than used toilet paper. It will not help you get a job anywhere.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,488    
22 Aug 2017  #16

A degree in finance from London South Bank (the worst university in the UK)

thats a bit harsh - what about London Met, and Luton Uni?
mafketis 16 | 5,441    
22 Aug 2017  #17

Yes, the UK has a long and proud tradition of terrible universities and it behooves us to leave none out!
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,488    
22 Aug 2017  #18

lol yes they are dreadful...but all must be included!
DominicB - | 2,602    
22 Aug 2017  #19

They are on the very border of what can be called legitimate educational institutions. Southbank, at least, has a pretty decent nursing program.

The school the OP is talking about is closer to a fly-by-night visa school, or low-quality trade school masquerading as a "university". Yes, there are lots of those in the UK, too. And in every country that attracts gullible and desperate third-world immigrants.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,488    
22 Aug 2017  #20

Southbank, at least, has a pretty decent nursing program.

ye i have had a wander round Southbank and it looked pretty genuine.
kajal    
16 Jan 2018  #21

i apply for heltg care mangement in wsge poland university....these university reputed in india? i saw above answers i m very confused to selection of university? plz help me to right way selection of university in poland
DominicB - | 2,602    
16 Jan 2018  #22

The school is a fake school, so don't waste your money. Studying in an English-language program even at a good real school in Poland is generally a waste of time and money, too, as the degree is not worth much on the job market in Poland or anywhere else. If you cannot afford to study at a good university in one of the richer countries of western Europe or one of the English-speaking countries, then studying at a good university in your own country would be the best option.
jon357 69 | 13,309    
16 Jan 2018  #23

It isn't a 'fake school' Dominic, no matter how much you'd like to deter people from India from coming to Poland. It is a postgraduate institution accredited by the Polish Ministry of Education, and its courses are in line with the ECTS academic credit transfer scheme. It participates in the Erasmus scheme.
DominicB - | 2,602    
16 Jan 2018  #24

It's a fake visa/vanity school run by a Turk. Any degree from there is completely worthless anywhere. Get real.
jon357 69 | 13,309    
16 Jan 2018  #25

It's a fake visa/vanity school

No, Dominic, it isn't. See above - their courses are valid and approved - however much you may dislike that.

Interesting that you mention the nationality of one of the board...
DominicB - | 2,602    
16 Jan 2018  #26

It's a scam. Is this the outfit you are recruiting for?
jon357 69 | 13,309    
16 Jan 2018  #27

No, as youve been told by people who know, it is a normal institution.

outfit

An interestingly disparaging choice of words, particularly from someone who doesn't know what (or where) they're talking about. For reference, the university I work at doesn't recruit - we have a queue of people, most of whom we reject. Nor do I recruit; my job is managing the degree curriculum and placing postgraduates elsewhere.
DominicB - | 2,602    
16 Jan 2018  #28

I'm sure that the OP will thank you when he gets his Masters in Advanced Toilet Cleaning and lands a job in some hellhole like Rotherham or Milton Keynes, scrubbing the finest porcelain the UK has to offer. Because that's the best job he can look forward to with a degree from a sham school like this.
jon357 69 | 13,309    
16 Jan 2018  #29

when he gets his Masters in Advanced Toilet Cleaning

They don't offer such a qualification at WSGE. Maybe at whatever place you went to, which may well explain a lot...

some hellhole like Rotherham or Milton Keynes

Clearly you've never been to either. I speak as someone from one of those two places who knows the other well. In fact one of them is usually considered one of the nicer places to live and the other is pleasant enough (and attracts people from round the world, particularly from Poland)..

a sham school

Maybe such places exist. WGSE however is most decidedly not one, being (as you've been told already) accredited by the Ministry of Education, part of the European Credit Transfer Scheme and part of Erasmus...
DominicB - | 2,602    
16 Jan 2018  #30

accredited by bla bla bla

You really are a sucker for marketing BS, aren't you. If he's lucky, he'll get a degree in Modern Shelfstocking and spend his nights putting cans on the shelf at Tesco in Oldham or Luton. If he saves up, he will be able to buy his family out of indentured servitude back home in forty or fifty years. Minus their kidneys, of course.

Maybe he could splurge and buy himself a canary. He can line the cage with that worthless diploma he spent the family fortune on fattening the wallet of some greedy Turkish scam artist.




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