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Cheap Poland Flat Pricing online as low as 75,000 zl are these prices real?


polsk2016 1 | 4
9 Mar 2015 #1
Im currently residing in the UK, planning to marry my polish fiance and relocate; researching online ive come across websites that have flats for sale in Lodz, Czestochowa, and some parts of Katowice that go for 18,200 Euros, or 75,000 zl, Im currently looking to buy a flat as a starter; these prices seem to be pretty low even if its not the nicest areas of these cities, are these prices legitimate, or is this a deposit price?
Nathans
9 Mar 2015 #2
How many square feet for 18K euros? Are these apartments finished, ready to move?
jon357 69 | 19,502
9 Mar 2015 #3
Check they aren't TBS flats or under another scheme (I don't remember the name) intended to provide low cost housing for poorer families to buy their first home.
Nathans
9 Mar 2015 #4
TBS - hopefully good insulation will be included. I'd also check if the materials they are made from (if mostly from China you risk some health issue down the road).
OP polsk2016 1 | 4
9 Mar 2015 #5
These are all mostly older flats, some of them in commie blocks, some of them just regular apartment buildings, from what i remember none of them are new builds, most new builds are 250,000 zl and up; so i am assuming that perhaps the reason they are more affordable is because of age and location, sq feet id say between 32 and 45 sq ft, they are non furnished as it seems the owners are trying to sell them; i am not sure if TBS is involved; i guess a british expat cannot purchase a flat if it is involved in that program correct?
jon357 69 | 19,502
9 Mar 2015 #6
Most TBS are in that sort of blocks. Sometimes the Housing Associations sell leases cheaply however another possibility is that they are either uninsulated or there's an issue with the freehold.

That or they could just be very cheap or in a bad area, though 75k does sound cheap even in the cities you mentioned. In Warsaw, even the tiniest 1 room flat (16 to 18m2) in the worst area starts from 150,000 and there's very little around that price.
Harry
9 Mar 2015 #7
are these prices legitimate

A common trick agents pull is advertising flats at very attractive prices just so people call in. They tell callers they aren't sure if that property hasn't been sold already but can check, however, they do certain have another flat which would be on interest to the caller, when would the caller like to view that property?
OP polsk2016 1 | 4
9 Mar 2015 #8
I mean there is hundreds of these apartments, multiple pictures and lots of information; Warsaw, Wroclaw, Krakow, Gdansk however does not have anything under 125,000 zl; only cities such as Lodz, Katowice, Szczecin, Czestochowa, Torun, ive noticed all these cities seem to be somewhat run down and behind compared to other Polska cities; but rebuilding and up coming therefore it would make sense there is cheaper housing prices; there maybe false advertising but im sure there are many legitimate offers, especially in Torun and Lodz, i would share the website info with you guys, however the last thing i need is for some indian, or asian person trying to find a nice deal and bring their entire country with them; and ruin it for all of us; that is one of the reasons i do not want to retire in the UK; Polish people need to stand strong and fight this "diversity" "culture" nonsense, please these people have already taken over West Europe and wont stop till they destroy it; then they will head east and try to destroy East Europe as well; im hoping it will take them at least 20 plus years, this is not about racism or being a "bigot" this is flat out an invasion! I am very angry and upset at the Uk government for making a big deal and trying to paint Polish immigrants as a problem or issue, when we have thousands of muslims and african blacks causing mayhem and chaos, notice how immigration is not an issue until its immigration from another WHITE country, we as Europeans need to wake up before its too late.
jon357 69 | 19,502
9 Mar 2015 #9
I mean there is hundreds of these apartments, multiple pictures and lots of information; Warsaw,

If it's in Warsaw it's too low even for TBS etc.

i would share the website info with you

Try domiporta.pl - it's the main real estate website and the prices are clearly shown. Plus TBS ones are always marked as that.

Although I don't share your views on immigration, skin colour etc, I must say that PL can ne a nice place to live. It can also be a difficult one.
Harry
9 Mar 2015 #10
If it's in Warsaw it's too low even for TBS etc.

Exactly. Either the advertised properties don't exist or the adverts don't.

I must say that PL can ne a nice place to live.

It gets nicer by the day. I was down in Ursynow yesterday for the first time in ages: still lots of flats I'd happily pay 75,000zl not to live in but now there are also three very decent multi-tap bars and a couple of Indian restaurants (Mr India is cracking, very nearly worth the trip down there from where you live).
jon357 69 | 19,502
9 Mar 2015 #11
Yes. Ursynow isn't to everyone's taste - the first flat I lived in in Poland was there. Looks a bit like Miami in summer and Scu nthorpe in winter. No Indian restaurants open then at all. One opened by Metro Stoklosy on the (then new) shopping centre a few years ago - good there are more now. I quite like that bit of Wola/Ochota borders near the new mosque. Some bargains to be had however as soon as the metro is extended there prices will skyrocket as they did in the bottom bits of Ursynow towards Kabaty.

Note to mods - is there a reason that the town Scu nthorpe is replaced by asterisks?

Re. 75000zl flats in Warsaw etc, if they existed they'd be snapped up immediately by investors so something wrong with the website in question, assuming a. the ads exist and b. the OP's reading them correctly. Even somewhere cheap and in the sticks like Siedlce is more expensive than that.

Looking at online ads for flats in Ursynów, the cheapest 1 bedroom flat (out of several thousand) is 260,000. That's in one of the worst bits of Ursynów too. Something dodgy about the ads the OP saw.
OP polsk2016 1 | 4
10 Mar 2015 #12
ok here's the website; otodom.pl you guys just enter the highest amount to 100,00 zl and see what offers are available, id greatly appreciate some info or advice you guys can offer regarding the affordable offers on this website, thanks

btw im still trying to figure out why on earth you guys are so excited about indian restaurants popping up all over Poland, here in the UK we have enough indian restaurants all over the place; and frankly id rather have chinese, japense, mexican or italian anyday.
jon357 69 | 19,502
10 Mar 2015 #13
The only ones close to those prices are 1 room flats in 'Stan developerskie' (not even light switches or a toilet) in Zbąszynek - the back of beyond, a 1 room near the Czech border, a tiny TBS for 95k in a part of Warsaw that's not really Warsaw, an unconverted cellar with no windows and an unconverted attic without planning permission, likewise windowless plus similar, like a 1 room in Warka or Będzin.

Otodom.pl is fairly well known however you'll see that most of the flats there are at normal prices.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
10 Mar 2015 #14
Just link 10 adds directly and we will tell you if they look legit.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
10 Mar 2015 #15
Torun, ive noticed all these cities seem to be somewhat run down and behind compared to other Polska cities

Which shows you clearly haven't been there.
Harry
10 Mar 2015 #16
Otodom.pl is fairly well known however you'll see that most of the flats there are at normal prices.

Even in a run-down toilet of a city such as Slupsk you can't get a flat for 75,000zl. Here's the bathroom of the cheapest flat in Slupsk (84,000zl and in need of a full renovation, just like the building it's in):

Admittedly, you can get a studio for 75,000zl but only utterly dire ones which need tens of thousands spent on them and even then will still be in a rubbish neighbour that's full of drunks.

btw im still trying to figure out why on earth you guys are so excited about indian restaurants popping up all over Poland, here in the UK we have enough indian restaurants all over the place; and frankly id rather have chinese, japense, mexican or italian anyday.

It's because those of us who live here like the way that Poland is becoming more and more multi-cultural by the day.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
10 Mar 2015 #17
are also three very decent multi-tap bars and a couple of Indian restaurants

I wouldn't categorize a neighborhood by these elements. For me would be important: public transport, decent shops, quietness at night. Anyway we live since ages in Bielany which has none of multitap things, nor does it have (I think) an Indian restaurant, but still one of the best neighborhoods in Warsaw to live in (though not hipster at all, which is a genuine blessing). I am talking about Stary Bielany, would not like to live in Wrzeciono though - to be avoided at all costs.
Harry
10 Mar 2015 #18
Anyway we live since ages in Bielany which has none of multitap things

Here you go, this may well add a few grand on the price of your property: facebook.com/piwnasprawa. Only eight taps, but it's a start.

nor does it have (I think) an Indian restaurant

What?! It has one of the finest curry-houses in Poland!!!

curry-house.pl

I've even been known to make the three-day trip up there myself.

would not like to live in Wrzeciono though - to be avoided at all costs.

It is indeed a horrible place, but there isn't a prayer of getting a flat there for anything like 75,000zl
sobieski 107 | 2,128
10 Mar 2015 #19
Which shows we don't really go out a lot :). Somehow for us Trattoria Rucola and dinner at home with friends suffices :)
jon357 69 | 19,502
10 Mar 2015 #20
Bielany which has none of multitap things, nor does it have (I think) an Indian restaurant, but still one of the best neighborhoods in Warsaw to live in.

A restaurant and bar free zone in many ways but still a great area and parts are deservedly expensive. The Indian Harry mentioned looks worth a visit. I can live without multitap - a smaller range is fine - for me it's the atmosphere.

It is indeed a horrible place, but there isn't a prayer of getting a flat there for anything like 75,000zl

Wrzęciono (where 2 room flats, top floor of 5, no lift) are comfortably above 200k) has a fairly crappy pizza shop with tables outside and the posher pizza restaurant on Heroldow (shuts at 10pm) sells drink. There might be a few places with drink towards Zeromskiego and I noticed the Vietnam Bar (that's what it looks like) on Kasprowicza sells beer too. If the OP wants anythink like the variety of places that he's used too, he'd have to look for the more expensive areas nearer the centre.

The picture is what you can get for 180k in Warsaw. It's in maybe the roughest part of town and needs serious and expensive work unless you're happy with the kitchen being a cubicle in the bedroom which in turn leads off the living room. It's, by the way, in an area with high crime levels.

otodom.pl/mieszkanie-warszawa-praga-polnoc-35,80m2-2-pokoje-185000-pln-id34540025.html
sobieski 107 | 2,128
11 Mar 2015 #21
I noticed the Vietnam Bar (that's what it looks like) on Kasprowicza sells beer too

If you mean "Bar Hami" near Metro Młociny, they for sure don't sell alcohol.
jon357 69 | 19,502
11 Mar 2015 #22
No - much further down. Maybe even parallel to Kasprzaka on Zeromskiego at the bit towards Metro Slodowiec where they're fairly close.

This is very relevant to low flat prices, Wrzeciono (and similar areas) and lack of amenities. The pizza place with outdoor tables I mentioned in Wrzeciono (on ul. Przy Agorze near the mini-supermarket) does sell beer in summer to a clientele of shaven-headed knuckle-draggers and their scrawny girlfriends, a generation or so from subsistence farming. This is the only 'bar' (and it isn't a bar really) in quite a large area. The OP doesn't realise that in these areas with cheap flats there is often poor infrastructure and amenities because the residents simply don't have the disposable income. Rather than go out, people drink at home in front of the TV.

On paper it looks great if a flat is 150,000zl, however the local facilities that exist are affected by the residents' low spending power.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
11 Mar 2015 #23
The pizza place with outdoor tables I mentioned in Wrzeciono

Ah I see which one you mean. I am doing often shopping in the Biedronka opposite and going to the Mediateka which is aroind the corner. As it is, when I ask my neighbors here in Stary Bielany (basically a few metro stops away) what they think of Wrzeciono they all shake their heads. Thing is, it doesn't really look like run-down, you have to know it what kind of people live there.. I know this because I am living nearby. But then, I wouldn't know which areas in Praga or Ursynów (for example) are less desirable.

As you pointed out correctly, an area with predominantly low-price flats and few amenities does tell something about itself.

That said and done, you sometimes only have to look at which kind of people take the bus in a given area.
jon357 69 | 19,502
11 Mar 2015 #24
Yes - the way apartment buildings look from the outside isn't always a clue, especially since EU accession and the work done insulating and painting them. Often the fundusz remontowy doesn't stretch to painting the graffiti out of the stairwells or getting hot water to the radiators on the top floor. And of course a rough neighbour is a rough neighbour regardless of whether the block has been painted or not.

That area of Wola that I mentioned is a bit like that - it looks much better now but still has social problems. The coming of the metro will help, just as the increase in student numbers at the local university has helped Wrzeciono a bit. It hasn't resulted in more interesting shops or (any) bars though.

There are very few areas in Warsaw that are cheap. There are still bargains round Konrada and across the river and also the bit of Wola that I mentioned. I was looking at Otodom (the site the OP mentioned) the other day for Siedlce (I've long fancied living there) and they had some bargains compared to Warsaw but a suspiciously large number in sale for such a small town. And besides, my partner's work (plus some personal issues) more or less restrict us to Bielany/Zoliborz/Bemowo.
pigsy 7 | 305
15 Mar 2015 #25
Mr India is cracking, very nearly worth the trip

The owner has a bustling business besides his claim about a British alcoholic bald man making a nuisense in that restaurant last week whom he had to call police and get him arrested.BTW that lokal is also for sale for a very lucrative price,of course not as cheap as a 75k flat would be anywhere in Poland though.
Dailyidiot
18 Mar 2015 #26
Avoid all TBS, most Poles prefer living in Block flats not town houses.
Something with a balcony is always good as drying clothes is a pain
Small flats are good as rent is cheaper and easier to dump later. (market is slow now)
There will be tax issues.
Cheap for a reason!

Look for places with central heating (city heating) avoid places with stoves, electric heating and gas heating (expensive poles avoid these too)

Lots of charges taxes extra and red tape, no gaurentee you will make this money back if you sell. 5 year law means 20% tax if you sell early

you can buy flats in scotland what pay 300 quide for 22k!!!
you will be lucky if you get 80quid a month for a flat in poland for 75k

buy them from auction
You can buy flats for half the price! hahahahhahaha but you will have to pay me to tell you the website

40k for a flat what sells for 75k
just avoid the ones they cant kick out the tenants, deaths the best to get ones.


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